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Man! For a studio that did pretty much everything right with the Harry Potter franchise, they are just royaly f***king their super hero films up in a monumentally colossal way!

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Hey, ummm, I saw it in preview show.

And I liked it. Not loved it, but liked it. Will Smith is amazing, as is Margot Robbie and most of the Squad. Can't judge on Jared's Joker basis of this movie. Jai Courtney finaly managed to be enjoyable in a movie. I really loved Boomerang in this. Story is something of a mess, but characters are really fun as are their interactions.

I would recommend seeing it.


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Marc Radle wrote:

Man! For a studio that did pretty much everything right with the Harry Potter franchise, they are just royaly f***king their super hero films up in a monumentally colossal way!

Rowling had final approval over all scripts for the Harry Potter franchise. It's why they couldn't just reboot the franchise as soon as they finished Deathly Hallows, and why they needed to convince her to write additional stories for Fantastic Beasts.

With DC, Warner Bros owns the franchise outright, so they are free to screw it up as much as they want without any lawsuit-happy authors getting in their way.


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*had Faygo once* Never again.

But I do think it's sad that WB keeps screwing themselves over with this crap.

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Rosgakori wrote:

Hey, ummm, I saw it in preview show.

And I liked it. Not loved it, but liked it. Will Smith is amazing, as is Margot Robbie and most of the Squad. Can't judge on Jared's Joker basis of this movie. Jai Courtney finaly managed to be enjoyable in a movie. I really loved Boomerang in this. Story is something of a mess, but characters are really fun as are their interactions.

I would recommend seeing it.

Your review hits close to the critics I follow. Excellent characterization from the bulk of the class on top of a meh film with production issues. I still plan on watching it Friday afternoon.

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I drink coke at the theater and faygo on the couch at home.


But you're the god Pan, Pan. We expect you to do crazy things.

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If the story is a mess, for me that's an unforgivable sin in a movie. I'll probably pass (not being a DCMU fan already), unless my wife pushes to see it regardless. Don't discourage the wife from wanting to see a superhero movie! :)


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Joel,

Just encourage her to see this if only because apparently this is Margot Robbie's movie, not Jared Leto's. :p ;)


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Sundakan wrote:

Yeah...

My two thoughts on reading that a few months back were that 1.) It HAS to be some kind of publicity stunt and 2.) If it wasn't, somebody needs to ban him form acting, for his own safety and the safety of others.

There's a difference between method acting and thinking it's okay to sexually harass your coworkers for your "art".

yeah... I get annoyed when they brag about this kind of thing. Once that crap started happening, he should have been fired and recast.

Honestly, I think it's all publicity hype. They're trying to ride the coattails of Heath Ledger, and there were all sorts of stories about his 'method' at the time. 'Joker Diaries' and stuff he'd write that he believed the Joker would find funny... kids with cancer and stupid things like that.

This Joker needs to be BADDER and EDGIER!!!

Regardless, if you can't turn off the character when you walk out of the room... you're not an actual 'actor'. You may need therapy.


Hmmm...I've noticed that all the reviews I've read so far are very similar to the reviews I read about BvS. They even mention the exact same problems. Not a good sign for me.

I recall me and my friends buying tickets for BvS weeks before the reviews. Then we saw the reviews and decided to sneak alot of liquor into the show, thinking that would help us enjoy the movie more.

No matter how much we drank, it didn't help, the movie was still terrible.


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Meh. I don't need to drink to sit through a movie.

I sat through Battlefield Earth stone cold sober!

God help me...


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Sorry Hon, that's beyond our capabilities.


phantom1592 wrote:
Sundakan wrote:

Yeah...

My two thoughts on reading that a few months back were that 1.) It HAS to be some kind of publicity stunt and 2.) If it wasn't, somebody needs to ban him form acting, for his own safety and the safety of others.

There's a difference between method acting and thinking it's okay to sexually harass your coworkers for your "art".

yeah... I get annoyed when they brag about this kind of thing. Once that crap started happening, he should have been fired and recast.

Honestly, I think it's all publicity hype. They're trying to ride the coattails of Heath Ledger, and there were all sorts of stories about his 'method' at the time. 'Joker Diaries' and stuff he'd write that he believed the Joker would find funny... kids with cancer and stupid things like that.

This Joker needs to be BADDER and EDGIER!!!

Regardless, if you can't turn off the character when you walk out of the room... you're not an actual 'actor'. You may need therapy.

Hadn't heard those stories about Ledger, but that seems like it has a potential practical purpose at least. If he comes up with a good line, it might get put in the movie. And it helps him get into the mindset of the character in little bitesized snippets.

Leto's stuff can't by its very nature be put in the movie, and it doesn't sound like anything the Joker would do ANYWAY.


Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Sorry Hon, that's beyond our capabilities.

Thanks Lady of Graves, but I honestly wasn't asking for you.

Orcus on the other hand...


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Sundakan wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Sundakan wrote:

Yeah...

My two thoughts on reading that a few months back were that 1.) It HAS to be some kind of publicity stunt and 2.) If it wasn't, somebody needs to ban him form acting, for his own safety and the safety of others.

There's a difference between method acting and thinking it's okay to sexually harass your coworkers for your "art".

yeah... I get annoyed when they brag about this kind of thing. Once that crap started happening, he should have been fired and recast.

Honestly, I think it's all publicity hype. They're trying to ride the coattails of Heath Ledger, and there were all sorts of stories about his 'method' at the time. 'Joker Diaries' and stuff he'd write that he believed the Joker would find funny... kids with cancer and stupid things like that.

This Joker needs to be BADDER and EDGIER!!!

Regardless, if you can't turn off the character when you walk out of the room... you're not an actual 'actor'. You may need therapy.

Hadn't heard those stories about Ledger, but that seems like it has a potential practical purpose at least. If he comes up with a good line, it might get put in the movie. And it helps him get into the mindset of the character in little bitesized snippets.

Leto's stuff can't by its very nature be put in the movie, and it doesn't sound like anything the Joker would do ANYWAY.

Agreed. It's OK to delve into the mindset of your character... Just don't STAY there. Messing with the rest of the crew? Losing track of who YOU are?? These are serious issues that shouldn't be hand-waved or joked about because.... 'art'. It's claimed by family and friends that he locked himself in a hotel room for weeks with that diary trying to 'understand the psychopath'...

Considering that Ledger didn't even survive to see his movie hit the screen?? There was talk about how he went to that dark place and needed help sleeping. That led to his sleeping pills mixed with other stuff...

Whether Leto is doing the same thing... or making a joke about it, I consider both to be very... 'uncool'.


Maybe it's just me, but I found the Dark Knight one of the worst Batman movies. Ledger's performance was actually decent, and if the method worked for him, I don't see Leto doing something similar as a problem (though some of the jokes seem a little overboard).

The pacing of the movie though...the first 2/3 was great, and then it just went on and on and on and on and on....

I really don't get why people praise that movie so highly. Batman and Robin is worse, but all the other Batman movies (well, except for the Camp version) are better in my opinion.


GreyWolfLord wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I found the Dark Knight one of the worst Batman movies. Ledger's performance was actually decent, and if the method worked for him, I don't see Leto doing something similar as a problem (though some of the jokes seem a little overboard).

The pacing of the movie though...the first 2/3 was great, and then it just went on and on and on and on and on....

I really don't get why people praise that movie so highly. Batman and Robin is worse, but all the other Batman movies (well, except for the Camp version) are better in my opinion.

I thought it was great when it came out... but as time goes on the whole Nolan trilogy has lost a lot of it's luster for me. At this time and place, I actually think the 89' Burton film is my favorite of the bunch. Certain level of darkness... certain level of heroic... I don't know, the more 'realistic' they make it, the less I like it. I think Dark Knight Rises is my least favorite of them all... Of the.. 8 Live Action Batmans.... that's the only one I haven't bought yet.

Liberty's Edge

Bite your tongue!

Adam West was the best Batman!


Too be honest I only liked the Dark Knight of the Nolan universe.

Regardless of the reviews I am still seeing Suicide Squad.


yeah I didn't get the earlier comment about The Dark Knight being reviled on the internet. I have never heard anything but praise for it, and to me it still ranks as the best batman movie, and perhaps one of the best DC movies.

Suicide Squad seems to be SOMEWHAT better regarded so far than B vs S, and the description of the problems seem of a completely different nature. B vs S seems to be something where the the director and writer themselves just didn't know what they were doing. Suicide Squad's major issues seem to stem a lot from the Studio freaking out post B vs. S and trying to turn Squad into DC's Guardians of the Galaxy.


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Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Sorry Hon, that's beyond our capabilities.

Thanks Lady of Graves, but I honestly wasn't asking for you.

Orcus on the other hand...

Yeah, we're gods, we can't undo the damage unleashed on various worlds by the spawn of Rovagug such as John Travolta.

Scarab Sages

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*sadface*

A 4 year old with explosive diarrhea ruined my mid-day double feature date w/ the wife. I guess I'm gonna have to wait until later to catch SS.


Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Sorry Hon, that's beyond our capabilities.

Thanks Lady of Graves, but I honestly wasn't asking for you.

Orcus on the other hand...

Yeah, we're gods, we can't undo the damage unleashed on various worlds by the spawn of Rovagug such as John Travolta.

Sokay. I don't expect you to save me from that.


Travolta is a mewling kitten of a spawn compared to J. Bieber.


Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Sorry Hon, that's beyond our capabilities.

Thanks Lady of Graves, but I honestly wasn't asking for you.

Orcus on the other hand...

Yeah, we're gods, we can't undo the damage unleashed on various worlds by the spawn of Rovagug such as John Travolta.

When he hits OT 9001 you'd better be careful!!


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Travolta is a mewling kitten of a spawn compared to J. Bieber.

I am not affiliated with Justin Bieber, please stop blaming me, even I have my limits.

Liberty's Edge

As much as I'm enjoying all this off topic banter ... anyone else actually see the movie who'd like to discuss it or offer their thoughts and/or a review?

Sovereign Court

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WHILE YOU WERE LEARNING TO SPELL YOUR NAME


Marc Radle wrote:
As much as I'm enjoying all this off topic banter ... anyone else actually see the movie who'd like to discuss it or offer their thoughts and/or a review?

~raps the gavel~ Order! Order in the court! Marc Radle is accused of trying to De-derail a thread over at the Paizo forums! ~looks at Marc Radle~ And how do you plead to these charges?


Mr. Radle, if you are found innocent, then you will be vaporized! If you are found guilty, then you be given a life sentence of exposure to 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's boy band music!


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The wife and I will probably see it tonight.

Just for fun, no special occasion, that I'm aware of.


GreyWolfLord wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I found the Dark Knight one of the worst Batman movies. Ledger's performance was actually decent, and if the method worked for him, I don't see Leto doing something similar as a problem (though some of the jokes seem a little overboard).

The pacing of the movie though...the first 2/3 was great, and then it just went on and on and on and on and on....

I really don't get why people praise that movie so highly. Batman and Robin is worse, but all the other Batman movies (well, except for the Camp version) are better in my opinion.

It's not just you, I hated The Dark Knight. My fave of the Nolan trilogy was Batman Begins.

The big problem with TDK for me was Batman himself. He acted moronic for the most part, and even more unforgivable, he was a whiny little b--ch for the vast majority of the movie. Alfred was the real hero of the movie, he kept having to convince Batman not to give up.

Ledger was great as the Joker, and pretty much the only bright spot of the movie for me. But TDK was actually a horrible portrayal of Batman himself, and that's the problem. Movies are supposed to focus on the hero, not the villain.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Meh. I don't need to drink to sit through a movie.

I sat through Battlefield Earth stone cold sober!

God help me...

I did too. Therapy helped. And getting my zeta levels tested.


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Saw it with the eldest at the first showing last night. I quite liked it. I think the critics are being overly harsh. That said, it is definitely not a film without flaws...

The Bad:
The story is just kinda all over the place. It isn't bad, just jumbled like they are trying to do too much at one time. The pacing is not awful, but just feels off. The characters have no establishment for the audience other than their initial offering, which is somewhat satisfyingly done for a couple of characters (Harley and Deadshot), and almost completely lacking for others. Later moments correct some of this, but even in a poor order sometimes. There is an action, in particular, that Deadshot takes that makes sense if you know the comic character, but seems out of left field at the time. Later in a throw away line he says something that explains it.

The Good:

The acting. Really just top notch. Will Smith is not someone I am a huge fan of normally, but he nails this. Robby nails Harley as an absolute agent of chaos. Captain Boomerang and Killer Croc even get some great lines well delivered. What characterization there is, was handled very well. These are absolutely (for the most part) not nice people that you still like. Viola Davis nails Amanda Waller. There is a scene that I completely didn't see coming at the end of the second act, that is just perfect. Arrow needed to learn how to do this with her character.

Overall, I would give it a 3 or 3 1/2 out of five. I would definitely see it again, and will probably buy it (although it won't be a priority for either). Much much better that BvS.


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HeHateMe wrote:


It's not just you, I hated The Dark Knight. My fave of the Nolan trilogy was Batman Begins.

I would also tend to agree; I have never quite understood how it is so praised. This particular forum isn't about TDK, so I'll set aside my peculiarities about the film and just agree.

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HeHateMe wrote:


Ledger was great as the Joker, and pretty much the only bright spot of the movie for me. But TDK was actually a horrible portrayal of Batman himself, and that's the problem. Movies are supposed to focus on the hero, not the villain.

I agree batman was pretty lame in TDK. However, my biggest gripe about supers flicks is underdeveloped villains. Instead of the joker 9/10 times you get super angry, ultra powerful, genocidal maniac guy. All you know is the guy is pissed and his finger is on the button..../yawn


Pan wrote:
HeHateMe wrote:


Ledger was great as the Joker, and pretty much the only bright spot of the movie for me. But TDK was actually a horrible portrayal of Batman himself, and that's the problem. Movies are supposed to focus on the hero, not the villain.

I agree batman was pretty lame in TDK. However, my biggest gripe about supers flicks is underdeveloped villains. Instead of the joker 9/10 times you get super angry, ultra powerful, genocidal maniac guy. All you know is the guy is pissed and his finger is on the button..../yawn

Quite true, and that's another problem that plagues many movies: villains that don't make sense or are just uncharismatic.


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I liked The Dark Knight.


Batman Begins was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy, as well. (I sometimes wonder what would have happened if they had stuck with the original rumored plot-progression, with Joker being the lone villain of TDK and the third movie beginning with the Joker scarring Harvey Dent at his trial. I think wedging Harvey-as-Two-Face and then killing him off into the second movie was too much of a distraction.) I loved Ledger's Joker (though Mark Hamill's will always be #1 for me) but I agree that Alfred, Lucius and pre-Two-Face Harvey were more interesting than Bats in that movie.

TKDR was pretty meh for me. I watched it once and didn't feel the need to see it again. Also, the Batsuit in broad daylight will never not look silly.

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Saw it, enjoyed it. There was good acting and good action.

Not a great plot, of course, like swiss cheese.

Some spoilery Comments:

Didn't like how they totally redshirted Ripcord. From the minute he appeared, I knew he was dead. From the second Boom talked to him, I knew how.

For the universe where the Gov was perfectly willing to shoot nukes at Metropolis without an evacuation, it seemed strange that two sorcerers and their evil plot device machine could be taken out by essentially small arms and explosives, yet no one even tried even ballistic missiles of the non-nuclear variety.

Also, Diablo totally had "Brother" with no need for that bomb. He wasn't weakening, he just wanted to live up to the movie's title.


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Kalshane wrote:

Batman Begins was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy, as well. (I sometimes wonder what would have happened if they had stuck with the original rumored plot-progression, with Joker being the lone villain of TDK and the third movie beginning with the Joker scarring Harvey Dent at his trial. I think wedging Harvey-as-Two-Face and then killing him off into the second movie was too much of a distraction.) I loved Ledger's Joker (though Mark Hamill's will always be #1 for me) but I agree that Alfred, Lucius and pre-Two-Face Harvey were more interesting than Bats in that movie.

TKDR was pretty meh for me. I watched it once and didn't feel the need to see it again. Also, the Batsuit in broad daylight will never not look silly.

Have you seen Killing Joke. Mark Hamill's Joker is amazing at broadway.[potential spoilers in link, but nothing the comic doesn't also have]

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At least Marvel is mostly not that bad with their villains.

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Yeah, I love Hammil's Joker Trickster in The Flash too.


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Marvel's villains, they rarely ever get that right in the movies. Few are real threats, and even fewer have any real character development.

Scarab Sages

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I think Marvel did a decent job with iron man's villains. In all three movies they had legitimate goals, a personal reason to dislike Tony, and character growth as their plans are revealed. Hell, the make a lot more sense than Loki or Red Skull.


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BITE your tongue! Loki is the best MCU villain, period.

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phantom1592 wrote:
Sundakan wrote:
There's a difference between method acting and thinking it's okay to sexually harass your coworkers for your "art".

yeah... I get annoyed when they brag about this kind of thing. Once that crap started happening, he should have been fired and recast.

Yeah, I am uncomfortably reminded of how Mel Gibson used to brag about sending Julia Roberts a dead rat on some movie they worked together on, and how much of a dumpster fire he turned into later...

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Kalshane wrote:

Batman Begins was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy, as well. (I sometimes wonder what would have happened if they had stuck with the original rumored plot-progression, with Joker being the lone villain of TDK and the third movie beginning with the Joker scarring Harvey Dent at his trial. I think wedging Harvey-as-Two-Face and then killing him off into the second movie was too much of a distraction.) I loved Ledger's Joker (though Mark Hamill's will always be #1 for me) but I agree that Alfred, Lucius and pre-Two-Face Harvey were more interesting than Bats in that movie.

TKDR was pretty meh for me. I watched it once and didn't feel the need to see it again. Also, the Batsuit in broad daylight will never not look silly.

That sounds about right, though BB & TDK are about a toss-up for me. BB for Batman & origin story, TDK for The Joker & I'm a sucker for a tragic bittersweet ending. (That and training montages, which is part of what I liked about BB.) TDKR I enjoyed when I first saw it, but there were just far too many world-building issues for me to want to re-watch.

The whole nuke thing felt like Nolan wanted to keep getting bigger from the first two.

I mean, come on, AFTER he solves nuclear fusion (basically solving all world energy problems) he decides to lock up the tech because he's shocked that someone could use a nuclear fusion generator as a weapon? Really? A NUCLEAR FUSION generator and he's surprised that it's dangerous?


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I saw it earlier and enjoyed it. Here is my score.

Non-comic book reader = B-

Rabid Comic Book Fan = C-

Spoiler:
Two things dropped it for me. One - I did not particularly care for this version of the Joker. Two - Amanda Waller. I always respected her in Justice League Unlimited and she would have never pulled that stunt with her people. Once that happened, I lost all respect for her and started despising her. Other than that, it was a fun movie. The villains were for the most part spot on. The story was just ok, but I got my money's worth out of it.

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