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For my Paizo forum friends.

If you are in New York, NY. I have one extra ticket for a 6:30 PM screening today send me a PM by 4:00 PM EST.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Amanda Waller is one nasty scary <redacted>.

All is well in the universe.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:

For my Paizo forum friends.

If you are in New York, NY. I have one extra ticket for a 6:30 PM screening today send me a PM by 4:00 PM EST.

AAUUGGH! I was with my nephew all day today, I wouldn't have been able to do this anyway.

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Cole Deschain wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Amanda Waller is one nasty scary <redacted>.
All is well in the universe.

The soundtrack for the movie is superb.

Each major character is introduced with some music.

Since she is the biggest baddest of the bad in the film, Amanda Waller gets Sympathy for the devil.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Since she is the biggest baddest of the bad in the film, Amanda Waller gets Sympathy for the devil.

Sweet! :)

What does the Joker get then?

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

How is Jared Leto as Joker, Baron.

I will admit, I like the few snippets of him in the trailers.

Points in Jared Leto's favor -

...
Jared Leto got so immersed in playing The Joker and he wouldn't break out of character on set even when he wasn't filming. He even sent his fellow cast members "Joker-like" presents: a rat to Margot Robbie and bullets to Will Smith, a soiled Playboy magazine to Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and a dead hog, anal beads and used condoms for the whole crew. Scott Eastwood, commented that Leto frightened him at times with his behavior.

I'm not sure if I'd chalk that up as a point in Leto's favor. :)


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Yeah...

My two thoughts on reading that a few months back were that 1.) It HAS to be some kind of publicity stunt and 2.) If it wasn't, somebody needs to ban him form acting, for his own safety and the safety of others.

There's a difference between method acting and thinking it's okay to sexually harass your coworkers for your "art".


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There has been a lot of really weird stuff that came out of the filming of Suicide Squad. I have a feeling a few years from now the story behind the creation of the new DCU is going to make an AMAZING documentary.


Not a fan of the SS comic, though I do like some of the individual characters (Harley, Killer Croc). The concept is mildly intriguing to me, but I won't see another Snyder movie ever again. Everything he touches turns to sh*t, at least for me personally.

I think if Snyder wasn't involved, I'd probably see it out of curiosity.


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Scythia wrote:

I hadn't planned to see this movie at all, but I will now, if it plays at my nearby cinema and I notice in time.

I had sworn off superhero movies, until there's a superheroine movie, but a team film, with multiple female characters, might be as close as there will be for a few years.

One year, actually. Wonder Woman in 2017!

Also Captain Marvel coming up. I'm much more interested in WW and CM than in Suicide Squad.


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Since Snyder is a glorified piggy bank on this production (he's not the director or writer, just producer), I wouldn't be too worried about it.


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Yeah I don't think Snyder had as much hand in creation as some others *coughBVScough*


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah I don't think Snyder had as much hand in creation as some others *coughBVScough*

Huh. Good to know. I might actually check out Suicide Squad if that's the case.


He,

Trust me, I have a feeling this movie will be DC's finest almost Non-Batman movie.

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Yeah, honestly, I'll never go to see another Snyder movie in the cinema ever again. I'll wait for blurays and then I'll rent them.

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Critic reviews are starting to roll in, with mixed feelings being the general consensus. Critical response seems to be that it was butchered in post (with specific call outs to editing the film to work with the pop soundtrack), wastes a lot of screen time on introductions, repeats itself to keep the audience in the loop, and lacks a consistent feel. Pros went to the acting chops of Smith, Robbie, & Davis, who apparently were good enough to keep the movie from being bad. Cons went to Delivenge (sp?) and Leto, for bad acting and poor characterization, resp.

From what I've read, contrary to how it has been marketed as a Robbie vehicle, this is a "Deadshot + 6" (as one critic put it) Will Smith movie with a bit of "where's my girlfriend" Joker plot in the later acts. Which, more than it being a 5, makes me want to see it less (but i'm still planning on seeing it Friday). I'm not a Will Smith fan, and don't like to put my cash in Smith, Damon, or Cruise films when they're in theater. So I'm gonna keep on thinking the movie is a Harley Quinn movie rather than a Deadshot movie.

Though I'm now conflicted on which movie on my planned double feature date with the wife Friday afternoon will be better: Suicide Squad or Bad Moms.


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From what I've read, contrary to how it has been marketed as a Robbie vehicle, this is a "Deadshot + 6" (as one critic put it) Will Smith movie with a bit of "where's my girlfriend" Joker plot in the later acts. Which, more than it being a 5, makes me want to see it less (but i'm still planning on seeing it Friday). I'm not a Will Smith fan, and don't like to put my cash in Smith, Damon, or Cruise films when they're in theater. So I'm gonna keep on thinking the movie is a Harley Quinn movie rather than a Deadshot movie.

The review on HitFix says that "It’s clear from the build-up that Deadshot and Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) are the main characters here, if only for sheer screen time, but I was surprised to see how important Diablo (Jay Hernandez) is to the film overall."

So, thinking of it as a Harley Quinn movie might not be completely off.


Well it's unfortunate that Leto's Joker won't be well received. I still think he can be quite...creepy.

But okay.


I won some free tickets, so I lose nothing by going.


Oooof, the reviews so far on Rotten Tomatoes have been brutal. 34%, yikes! Still not as bad as the 29% BvS received though.


HeHateMe wrote:
Oooof, the reviews so far on Rotten Tomatoes have been brutal. 34%, yikes! Still not as bad as the 29% BvS received though.

Yeah I think it's safe to say it might break 50% but it seems unlikely right now.

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I'm not reading any of these reviews, but I'm discouraged. I've been totally on the hype train for this one, and hoped it would be DC's version of Deadpool, a film that sort of turns around expectations in an awesome way.

Hopefully it's still good, just being reviewed by people who expected a bit too much (or it to be a backdoor Batman movie or something)...

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Eh, I'll go see it in the movies. Once.

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Been seeing news all day that movie critics are going harsh on this. For me, that's a plus.

My brother's wife and kids are out of town, and he mentioned wanting to go see it, so I'm game.


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With you on the "harsh reviews by critics as a plus", oh Shambling One. Most critics don't like what I like.

Doesn't hurt that Missus Turin and I have stockpiled a ton of gift cards and assorted certificates. We can easily see a good dozen films at no out of pocket cost. More if we're stingier. It's amusing some of the movie promotions that have been done over the past year and change.


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and individual critic can be wrong but I find that consensus sites like Rotten Tomatoes are usually a good overall judge. Generally stuff that is 70% and up I will probably like and stuff that is minus 30% and below I will think suck

I mean compare and contrast the movies that did well and were mostly like by people here. Deadpool and Civil War both did very well with fresh ratings on Rottentomatoes and seem to have been liked by a lot of Paizo folks, while F4 and B vs. S were universally panned and don't seem to have a whole lot of online fans here (some yes, at least for the latter...but the B vs S. thread isn't exactly a rousing chorus of awesome).


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For me it's not even the cost (although to be fair movies in NYC cost anywhere from $12 - 21 sooooooo) it's the time and effort wasted that bother me the most now. When I was younger I'd go see just about ANYTHING that seemed interesting. Now?

I've had screening passes to a bunch of movies this summer, the most recent being JASON BOURNE that would have cost me nothing but the time spent lining up waiting to get into the actual theater. But after hearing middling to bad reviews from people that I trust I simply chose not to go.

Track records and preferences factor into it too. I'm more likely to take a chance on a Marvel movie than a DC because of their track record. That being said I was REALLY looking forward to SUICIDE SQUAD as that first trailer kinda sold me on the movie. I'm not a huge David Ayer fan nor am I a huge fan of anyone in the movie except maybe Viola Davis but I still wanted to see it. Now I'll probably be waiting for Netflix or Amazon Prime.

To be fair TV is where the great and interesting stories are being told these days. I got more enjoyment out of STRANGER THINGS on Netflix than I did out of anything else that I've seen this summer outside of CIVIL WAR and THE NICE GUYS.


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archmagi1 wrote:
From what I've read, contrary to how it has been marketed as a Robbie vehicle, this is a "Deadshot + 6" (as one critic put it) Will Smith movie with a bit of "where's my girlfriend" Joker plot in the later acts.

Not really surprising, as Will Smith has gone on the record as saying that he doesn't do movies unless he is THE star.


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MMCJawa wrote:

and individual critic can be wrong but I find that consensus sites like Rotten Tomatoes are usually a good overall judge. Generally stuff that is 70% and up I will probably like and stuff that is minus 30% and below I will think suck

I mean compare and contrast the movies that did well and were mostly like by people here. Deadpool and Civil War both did very well with fresh ratings on Rottentomatoes and seem to have been liked by a lot of Paizo folks, while F4 and B vs. S were universally panned and don't seem to have a whole lot of online fans here (some yes, at least for the latter...but the B vs S. thread isn't exactly a rousing chorus of awesome).

Eh, for big franchises the internet fanbase seems to differ more from the critics. There's definitely still some correlation, but there are pretty stark differences.

For example, consider the Star Wars saga. According to the Internet, the OT is divine scripture handed down by the gods and can never be criticized, while the PT is Hitler. Episode VII is more polarizing.
The critics, on the other hand, rank them differently (depending on which aggretating website you use):
Rotten Tomatoes ranks them as:
V: 94
IV: 93
VII: 92
VI: 80
III: 79

II: 65
I: 55

Notably, while the OT is overall rated higher than the PT, RotJ is much closer to RotS than it is to the other two original movies, episode three is "certified fresh" while episode two is still "fresh."
Metacritic, which gives more weight to top critics, paints a picture even more distinct from the forums:
IV: 92
VII: 81
V: 80
III: 68
II: 54
VI: 53

I: 51
Notably, Metacritic ranks episodes II and III above episode VI! Episodes II and VI are probably within the margin of error, but episode III is well above VI. You wouldn't get that impression from what forumites say.

For an example closer in content to Suicide Squad, take a look at Batman movies. The forumites whine that all of Nolan's movies are Hitler because they are too "dark," and that the more "dark" a DC movie is, the worse.
Rotten Tomatoes ranks them:
The Dark Knight: 94
Dark Night Rises: 87
Batman Begins: 85
Batman Returns: 80
Batman (1989): 72
Batman Forever: 41
Batman vs Superman: 27
Batman and Robin: 11
Notably, the "too GrimDark!" Nolan trilogy are all on top, with the "lightest" of the three in third place. The "lighter" Batman movies from prior decades are all further down (with BvS being the notable outlier).
On Metacritic, it is a similar story, and the rankings are almost the same:
The Dark Knight: 82
The Dark Knight Rises: 78
Batman Begins: 70
Batman (1989): 69
Batman Returns: 68
Batman Forever: 51
Batman vs Superman: 44
Batman and Robin: 28

Once again, the three "dark" Nolan movies are on top, the "light" pre-Nolan movies are all further down, and, once again, BvS is second from the bottom. The Paizo forum apparently divides superhero movies into "light (= good movie)" and "dark (= Hitler)", but the critics don't see it that way.

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My friend shared this with me:

"If Guardians of the Galaxy was Coca-Cola, Suicide Squad is Faygo."

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
For me it's not even the cost (although to be fair movies in NYC cost anywhere from $12 - 21 sooooooo) it's the time and effort wasted that bother me the most now. When I was younger I'd go see just about ANYTHING that seemed interesting. Now?

This is a large part of my movie-going experience these days as well. I usually don't have the time to spend seeing a movie that might suck balls. Why waste the time and money

Granted, there are some which are easy to make an exception. For example - Captain America: Winter Soldier. I knew it was going to be good, and my brother was taking his two oldest kids (it was close to the oldest one's birthday).


137ben wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

and individual critic can be wrong but I find that consensus sites like Rotten Tomatoes are usually a good overall judge. Generally stuff that is 70% and up I will probably like and stuff that is minus 30% and below I will think suck

I mean compare and contrast the movies that did well and were mostly like by people here. Deadpool and Civil War both did very well with fresh ratings on Rottentomatoes and seem to have been liked by a lot of Paizo folks, while F4 and B vs. S were universally panned and don't seem to have a whole lot of online fans here (some yes, at least for the latter...but the B vs S. thread isn't exactly a rousing chorus of awesome).

Eh, for big franchises the internet fanbase seems to differ more from the critics. There's definitely still some correlation, but there are pretty stark differences.

For example, consider the Star Wars saga. According to the Internet, the OT is divine scripture handed down by the gods and can never be criticized, while the PT is Hitler. Episode VII is more polarizing.
The critics, on the other hand, rank them differently (depending on which aggretating website you use):
Rotten Tomatoes ranks them as:
V: 94
IV: 93
VII: 92
VI: 80
III: 79

II: 65
I: 55

Notably, while the OT is overall rated higher than the PT, RotJ is much closer to RotS than it is to the other two original movies, episode three is "certified fresh" while episode two is still "fresh."
Metacritic, which gives more weight to top critics, paints a picture even more distinct from the forums:
IV: 92
VII: 81
V: 80
III: 68
II: 54
VI: 53

I: 51
Notably, Metacritic ranks episodes II and III above episode VI! Episodes II and VI are probably within the margin of error, but episode III is well above VI. You wouldn't get that impression from what forumites say.

For an example closer in content to Suicide Squad, take a look at Batman movies. The forumites whine that all of Nolan's movies are Hitler because they are too "dark," and...

PREACH IT


Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

My friend shared this with me:

"If Guardians of the Galaxy was Coca-Cola, Suicide Squad is Faygo."

Both of those beverages suck, for me. GoG was awesome. Suicide Squad's not being out yet = we'll see. ;)


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I don't drink Soda so that doesn't help me at all. :-)

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I think where people have the biggest problem with rt is that it's ratings are either good or bad with no quantitative value. A critic who gives a movie a 2.5/5 aka a movie that just exists but isn't stand out or bad, has to choose on rt whether it's fresh or rotten. They don't get to choose 50%. When I see a lot of folks who don't understand rt look at a 16% they think the average critical score was 16% rather than a good v bad (dawn of ratings) ratio. I'd like to see them implement a middling category for those 2-3 star reviews that better captures meh movies.

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What's a Faygo?


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I believe it is a generic brand of Soda.

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Dear Lord this sounds like a mess:

Report: WB made their own cut of SS and did the fusion dance with Ayer's cut for the theatrical release


captain yesterday wrote:
I believe it is a generic brand of Soda.

More regional than generic, I think. Midwest US thing, maybe?

I've never seen them around here.


Faygo website. Locally speaking, Sheetz carries them at a minimum. It's a cute website.


It shows up in northwest Florida, faygo that is Suicide Squad isn't out yet.


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Hama wrote:
What's a Faygo?

Basically what Turin/Captain mentioned - it's a more American regional version of soda pop. Like a lot of regional brands, it was developed to cash in on the "soda craze" of the late 19th and early 20th century when they were considered "medicinal" in nature.

My experience with Faygo is that is nauseatingly sweet by comparison with most other soda brands. Of course, my understanding is that the flavor was based off a cake-frosting recipe - which might explain it.

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Hmmmm, not a fan of too sweet soda.


Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

My friend shared this with me:

"If Guardians of the Galaxy was Coca-Cola, Suicide Squad is Faygo."

I think GotG and SS are entirely different movies, pretty tough to compare.

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Here is the original Faygo comparison from birth movies death:

devin faraci wrote:
If Guardians of the Galaxy was Coca-Cola, Suicide Squad is Faygo. But here’s the thing about Faygo: it’s okay. I mean, I wouldn’t go to the store and buy it, but if I were served it I probably wouldn’t spit it out. It’s off-brand, it’s beloved by a crowd of real goons, it’s a knock-off, but it serves its purpose. Suicide Squad, like Faygo, is almost preternatural in how it straddles the line between good and bad. The movie is, on paper, a disaster. It is, in execution, a mess. It’s never really fun (but it’s also not relentlessly grim and bleak like BvS), but it’s… watchable? And it has those four performances that really make a difference. Suicide Squad is a movie that has been brutalized in post - probably in an attempt to make it more like Guardians (down to the team walking in slomo shot) - but even the most obnoxious editing and worst reshoot material can’t keep down Hernandez, Smith, Robbie and Davis. I don’t want to watch Suicide Squad again, but I really would like to see those characters again. I would like more with them, perhaps in a movie that has a good script, a reasonable story and a coherent aesthetic.

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Faygo... Which is beloved by Jugalos... Who are fans of Insane Clown Posse... Juggles also sound like Jokers... Who is an insane clown... Who is in this movie...

Coincidence?

I'll let you decide.

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Yeah, my familiarity with Faygo is primarily in the context of Juggalos, which is why that line made me laugh.


Isn't Faygo a Michigan thing?


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It's in Wisconsin too.


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archmagi1 wrote:

Dear Lord this sounds like a mess:

Report: WB made their own cut of SS and did the fusion dance with Ayer's cut for the theatrical release

WOW. Just...wow.

Despite it getting middling reviews, I'm going to stay away from this one until it hits home video. I really was excited about this movie at one point but I'm not going to pay $12-15 just to be disappointed.

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