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3 Neutrals? I wonder if they are creatures with animal intelligence or lower so they just default to Neutral...

Hmmm... Or maybe a psychopomp that is responsible for delivering Lawful Evil souls to Hell and making sure that only Lawful Evil souls (or those who made a contract with a devil) get there? *makes a note for future monster*


Dang it, Drejk! Now I have to come up with something else... >.>

;)


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Drejk wrote:
Lawful Evil the most popular alignment?! Who could have predicted that?

Those who correctly predicted the most popular alignment can just go to hell.


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Maneuvermoose wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Lawful Evil the most popular alignment?! Who could have predicted that?
Those who correctly predicted the most popular alignment can just go to hell.

Worse. Those who correctly predicted the most popular alignment get a PuppyMonkeyBaby. Who follows them everywhere and watches them sleep.


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Puppy... monkey... baby...

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Whew, first set of comments written. Thankfully, I don't have a word limit on my comments. :D


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Mikko Kallio wrote:
Thankfully, I don't have a word limit on my comments. :D

Comments without word limits are overpowered!


Mikko Kallio wrote:
Whew, first set of comments written. Thankfully, I don't have a word limit on my comments. :D

Hey! This is an unfair advantage! This is blatant favoritism! This is an outrage! I demand a recount! We need a peer review! Alert the press immediately!

(And he dares - dares! - add a smiley after the whole thing! The sheer insolence!)

*clutches pearls*

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Mikko Kallio wrote:
Whew, first set of comments written. Thankfully, I don't have a word limit on my comments. :D

Can other judges see your comments before making their own ?

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Nope, Jacob and Mike have only seen my very brief initial comments I wrote while we were voting. I'll get to see Jacob and Mike's comments when they send them to me and I'll copy-paste them into the blog posts that I'll publish when the Top 6 is revealed.

I'll probably edit my own comments by adding "I agree with Jacob on..." or "Unlike Mike, I think...", but that's all. Nonetheless, I expect there to be many similar comments because we all have an RPGSS background and because we follow the same judging criteria.

By the way, Adam Daigle hasn't seen any of our comments; all he'll see while commenting is the monsters themselves.

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Mikko Kallio wrote:

Nope, Jacob and Mike have only seen my very brief initial comments I wrote while we were voting. I'll get to see Jacob and Mike's comments when they send them to me and I'll copy-paste them into the blog posts that I'll publish when the Top 6 is revealed.

I'll probably edit my own comments by adding "I agree with Jacob on..." or "Unlike Mike, I think...", but that's all. Nonetheless, I expect there to be many similar comments because we all have an RPGSS background and because we follow the same judging criteria.

By the way, Adam Daigle hasn't seen any of our comments; all he'll see while commenting is the monsters themselves.

Quite professional there. I expected no less but it is always good to see it confirmed :-)

Paizo Employee Developer

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Yep, I just received the entries with absolutely no comments from other judges or any identifying properties.

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32

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Adam Daigle wrote:
Yep, I just received the entries with absolutely no comments from other judges or any identifying properties.

Enter the JUDGE-INATOR!


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Curtisin wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Yep, I just received the entries with absolutely no comments from other judges or any identifying properties.
Enter the JUDGE-INATOR!

Don't worry about the brevity of his current comments.

I'm sure...

(•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)

He'll be back!

Y, YEEEAAAH


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Adam Daigle wrote:
Yep, I just received the entries with absolutely no comments from other judges or any identifying properties.
Curtisin wrote:
Enter the JUDGE-INATOR!
Covent wrote:

Don't worry about the brevity of his current comments.

I'm sure...

(•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)

He'll be back!

Y, YEEEAAAH


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Just polishing up my comments for public consumption now. Lots of fun to go back over these.

As a reminder, once the Top 6 are revealed, I'm happy to offer my feedback privately to anyone who's interested. Just shoot me a PM or an email with your monster's name and I'll try to get it to you ASAP (it could take a few days if I get a bunch of requests; if you don't hear from me within a week or so, just send me a reminder).


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Almost a week of waiting more?

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32

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Jacob W. Michaels wrote:

Just polishing up my comments for public consumption now. Lots of fun to go back over these.

As a reminder, once the Top 6 are revealed, I'm happy to offer my feedback privately to anyone who's interested. Just shoot me a PM or an email with your monster's name and I'll try to get it to you ASAP (it could take a few days if I get a bunch of requests; if you don't hear from me within a week or so, just send me a reminder).

Will do!

Paizo Employee Developer

Drejk wrote:
Almost a week of waiting more?

Yup!

Just to help folks, I'm gonna repost the contest schedule on this new page.


Adam Daigle wrote:
Just to help folks, I'm gonna repost the contest schedule on this new page.

Thanks! :D


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So on the 25th, when the Top 6 are revealed in the order they were received, what will the frequency be? Daily, hourly, annually?

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Jacob W. Michaels wrote:

Just polishing up my comments for public consumption now. Lots of fun to go back over these.

As a reminder, once the Top 6 are revealed, I'm happy to offer my feedback privately to anyone who's interested. Just shoot me a PM or an email with your monster's name and I'll try to get it to you ASAP (it could take a few days if I get a bunch of requests; if you don't hear from me within a week or so, just send me a reminder).

That is very kind of you and a great boon for those of us who did not make it to the secret six

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32

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Don't get ahead of yourself TRB. :) You don't know if you made it yet.

That said, I'm sure everyone who hasn't made it will appreciate the effort. :)

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Curtisin wrote:

Don't get ahead of yourself TRB. :) You don't know if you made it yet.

That said, I'm sure everyone who hasn't made it will appreciate the effort. :)

Did my wording express that I think I am one of the happy six ? I thought I was expressing the opposite, ie that I did not make it. I am asking because I am sincerely interested in improving my level in English

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The Raven Black wrote:
Curtisin wrote:

Don't get ahead of yourself TRB. :) You don't know if you made it yet.

That said, I'm sure everyone who hasn't made it will appreciate the effort. :)

Did my wording express that I think I am one of the happy six ? I thought I was expressing the opposite, ie that I did not make it. I am asking because I am sincerely interested in improving my level in English

I interpreted his comment to mean that he thought you were implying exactly what you thought you were implying.

That is how I read your comment too.

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16

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I likewise interpreted TRB's comment to imply he's not one of the Top 6, which is still getting ahead of himself, because he very well may be! I believe that's what Kim meant as well.

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Ok. Feeling better now :-) Thanks for enlightening this non-native speaker

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32

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Petty Alchemy wrote:
I likewise interpreted TRB's comment to imply he's not one of the Top 6, which is still getting ahead of himself, because he very well may be! I believe that's what Kim meant as well.

PA phrased this much better than I can. I think everyone who took part is basically working well. What surprises me though is that we are not seeing more of the 870+ other competitors from RPGSS in both this competition and the Blazing 9 thread.

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16

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It's a visibility issue.

RPGSS gets a big button link when it's running.
Product Discussion has open calls/contests so rarely that I don't check it anymore. Big thanks to Mikko for posting it in Blazing 9.

Speculation (based on my patterns): Designer wannabes hang out in the Homebrew forum. I've transitioned to the Blazing 9 thread, but previously I was unaware of it, and I'm guessing most people in Homebrew are unaware of it. If Homebrew was a place you could advertise open calls, you'd see more participants.


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Curtisin wrote:
What surprises me though is that we are not seeing more of the 870+ other competitors from RPGSS in both this competition and the Blazing 9 thread.

Boring meandering thoughts:
As one of those RPGSS didn't-place competitors, I was following this and planning to enter. But I haven't leveled enough to be able to cast summon muse at will, so I have to wait until she drops in unexpectedly*. I had ideas for a couple of HBM critters, but those ideas didn't have sharp-enough hooks; if GM Me wouldn't be interested, then Would-Be Contestant/Developer Me won't bother either. Literally the day after HBM2 closed, Ms. Muse popped in, and viola! I think I now have solid A-game critters that are imaginative and hook-y enough to be contenders. Maybe next time.

I don't mean this to sound like sour grapes, just that I recognize the critical importance of the ability to reliably craft on a deadline (or better, slightly ahead of the deadline). And that it's an ability I don't yet possess. That talent, like writing in general, seems to come more readily with experience, so I'm not giving up hope. :)

* This is a running thing with Ms. Muse and I. I recently had an ok critter for the last Wayfinder that didn't find its critical hook until right after the deadline. Alas, poor picklebug, I'll find you a forever home eventually.

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Scott, the entries will be revealed 1/hour.

I'll also try to comment on entries that don't make the Top 6. We're very thankful that so many people entered and as a former RPGSS contestant (who tried many times with varying degrees of success before making the Top 4), I know it's very important to get feedback. :)

Adam, thanks for posting the link! :) (And for being our guest judge!)

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I have turned my comments over to my fellow judges.

Excellent work, everyone!

RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

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Curtisin wrote:
What surprises me though is that we are not seeing more of the 870+ other competitors from RPGSS in both this competition and the Blazing 9 thread.

I think as Petty Alchemy noted, visibility is a key thing. I often try to mention during Superstar that people should look in this forum -- after my first Superstar competition, I had no clue how to go forward in terms of wanting to do more freelancing (not to mention I still needed to learn a lot more). It was contests in this forum that got me started with some regular gigs and the confidence to do more. I really try to spread the gospel of the open call thread whenever I talk to someone who's interested in freelancing. It remains in my bookmarks as a site to check daily.

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I don't mean this to sound like sour grapes, just that I recognize the critical importance of the ability to reliably craft on a deadline (or better, slightly ahead of the deadline). And that it's an ability I don't yet possess. That talent, like writing in general, seems to come more readily with experience, so I'm not giving up hope. :)

My suggestion is write down any potential ideas -- no matter how bare bones -- whenever you get them. I have a handful of emails I've sent myself, plus scraps of paper and an actual idea file with just simple ideas for monsters, items, locations and adventures. Before my guttersnipe, I had "flensing" down as some sort of power I wanted, as it's a cool, evocative word that worked perfectly for a monster.

That said, sometimes inspiration just doesn't strike and you've just got to sigh and move on. If the ideas come later, write them down and save them. I've had things published years after I first came up with them.


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Jacob W. Michaels wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I don't mean this to sound like sour grapes, just that I recognize the critical importance of the ability to reliably craft on a deadline (or better, slightly ahead of the deadline). And that it's an ability I don't yet possess. That talent, like writing in general, seems to come more readily with experience, so I'm not giving up hope. :)

My suggestion is write down any potential ideas -- no matter how bare bones -- whenever you get them. I have a handful of emails I've sent myself, plus scraps of paper and an actual idea file with just simple ideas for monsters, items, locations and adventures. Before my guttersnipe, I had "flensing" down as some sort of power I wanted, as it's a cool, evocative word that worked perfectly for a monster.

That said, sometimes inspiration just doesn't strike and you've just got to sigh and move on. If the ideas come later, write them down and save them. I've had things published years after I first came up with them.

Yeah, I keep separate text files on my notebook and a Google Keep doc on my smart-ish phone with ideas for classes, races, critters, spells/psionics, etc. so I can jot down ideas when they appear. (I got tired of waking up in the morning and spending several minutes trying unsuccessfully to decipher my 2AM Voynichian scribbles.) But yeah, nothing I had seemed to fit the HBM2 theme without obvious signs of shoehorning.

Scarab Sages

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Jacob W. Michaels wrote:
Curtisin wrote:
What surprises me though is that we are not seeing more of the 870+ other competitors from RPGSS in both this competition and the Blazing 9 thread.

I think as Petty Alchemy noted, visibility is a key thing. I often try to mention during Superstar that people should look in this forum -- after my first Superstar competition, I had no clue how to go forward in terms of wanting to do more freelancing (not to mention I still needed to learn a lot more). It was contests in this forum that got me started with some regular gigs and the confidence to do more. I really try to spread the gospel of the open call thread whenever I talk to someone who's interested in freelancing. It remains in my bookmarks as a site to check daily.

I found out only because I've been following Blazing 9 this year, and watching the 3rd party forum for possible gigs. I did kind of wonder if that wasn't part of the contest though - if you are hungry enough to learn of the contest and interested enough to develop an idea to meet the deadline, you've already passed one level of elimination.

Jacob W. Michaels wrote:


My suggestion is write down any potential ideas -- no matter how bare bones -- whenever you get them.

Yeah, I keep a running series of notes on my phone for drawing inspirations, stories, or just half-formed ideas. Never hurts!

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Interesting point about putting down ideas. I do so, but not for PFRPG design ideas. Because these seem to need some prompting to come out. My muse works far better with input and constraints than free form ;-)


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The Raven Black wrote:
Interesting point about putting down ideas. I do so, but not for PFRPG design ideas. Because these seem to need some prompting to come out. My muse works far better with input and constraints than free form ;-)

My homegroup barely responds now when I say "that would be cool if..." but when they do the idea ends up on the back of my character sheet. While my best ideas usually come from walking the dogs, the kernals almost always seem to come from the gaming table. Even if it is my thinking about last night's game while walking the boys. :)

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Petty Alchemy wrote:
It's a visibility issue.

That's very true. This year I wasn't able to spend quite so much time advertising the contest as last time around because I was really rather busy in December and January, writing a hardcover and Gallows of Madness, and developing Villain Codex II.

To be completely honest, though, if there had been, let's say, twice as many entries, it would have been much harder to find the time to evaluate them critically. I take my role as a judge seriously and was glad that I didn't have to make hasty decisions.

Anyway, only four days until the reveal!

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I believe the best visibility comes through the paizo blogs. Not sure what it would take for them to advertise a 3pp contest though


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Any new stats or teasers to share? :)


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The best way to get the word out may actually be banner ads on OneBookShelf. A lot more people would see it that way. Obviously, it depends on how much money you want to put in to this contest.


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I learned of it by way of a badger operating out of FaWtL.

Crazy badgers!


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I check the 3PP forum daily. Because I'm a super tryhard.

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Fifth set of comments written, one more to go!

I won't be posting teasers before I've finished writing the comments, but Jacob and Mike, feel free to post statistics and teasers since you've already finished commenting. ;-)

137ben, this is the first time we have a deal with a publisher to publish the winning entries, and because we really don't know how well the product is going to sell, it makes sense for the publisher to keep costs to the minimum. As for me personally, I don't represent RGG and I have no financial involvement in this, so I do not wish put money into something I'm doing pro bono.

I'm mainly doing this because a) it's fun and educational for everyone involved (including us judges; I always learn something new when I read other people's work), b) I like to help aspiring freelancers, and c) for the judge cred. (And d) because a lot of people were asking "When will HBM2 begin???")


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Hmm. Other teasers ...

Not sure if this counts, but I always thought I was a lenient judge, so I was surprised to discover I had the most outright rejects -- twice the number of one judge.

On the other hand, I also had twice the number of keeps as that judge (I think it's been noted, we initially rule entries on a continuum of reject-weak reject-on the fence-weak keep-keep).


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Mikko Kallio wrote:
I'm mainly doing this because a) it's fun and educational for everyone involved (including us judges; I always learn something new when I read other people's work), b) I like to help aspiring freelancers, and c) for the judge cred. (And d) because a lot of people were asking "When will HBM2 begin???")

Time to start the grindstone then: when will HBM3 begin???


Jacob W. Michaels wrote:

Hmm. Other teasers ...

Not sure if this counts, but I always thought I was a lenient judge, so I was surprised to discover I had the most outright rejects -- twice the number of one judge.

On the other hand, I also had twice the number of keeps as that judge (I think it's been noted, we initially rule entries on a continuum of reject-weak reject-on the fence-weak keep-keep).

I knew you always hated meeee-hee-hee-heeeeeeee~!

*goes and cries at the rejection*


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Jaunt wrote:
Mikko Kallio wrote:
I'm mainly doing this because a) it's fun and educational for everyone involved (including us judges; I always learn something new when I read other people's work), b) I like to help aspiring freelancers, and c) for the judge cred. (And d) because a lot of people were asking "When will HBM2 begin???")
Time to start the grindstone then: when will HBM3 begin???

Ha. The better question is when will Villain Codex 3 begin? (And the answer is soon. We want to give HBM some time to breath, but there's no rest for the [s]weary[/i] wicked.)

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

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I am getting excited to see the finalists!

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Jacob W. Michaels wrote:

Hmm. Other teasers ...

Not sure if this counts, but I always thought I was a lenient judge, so I was surprised to discover I had the most outright rejects -- twice the number of one judge.

On the other hand, I also had twice the number of keeps as that judge (I think it's been noted, we initially rule entries on a continuum of reject-weak reject-on the fence-weak keep-keep).

One of the judges might have been using a weird bell curve metric. ;)

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