Dimensional Maneuvers questions (reposition)


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So I searched for this and couldn't find anything. I'm wondering if it hasn't come up because most people skip this feat since nobody has said anything about it. And this may be more of a rules question also.

How can you use reposition while using these feats and gain the benefit from Dimensional Maneuvers?
So here's the feat(s):

Dimensional Maneuvers:
Dimensional Maneuvers

Your rapid teleportation makes your combat maneuvers more difficult to avoid.

Prerequisites: Ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door, Dimensional Agility, Dimensional Assault, Dimensional Dervish, base attack bonus +9.

Benefit: While using the Dimensional Dervish feat, you gain a +4 bonus on combat maneuver checks to bull rush, disarm, reposition, or trip an opponent.

Dimensional Maneuvers (link for those who want it)
Dimensional Dervish:
Dimensional Dervish

You teleport with a mere thought, savaging your opponents as you flash in and out of reality.

Prerequisites: Ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door, Dimensional Agility, Dimensional Assault, base attack bonus +6.

Benefit: You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action. If you do, you can teleport up to twice your speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability), dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport.

Special: A monk can use additional points from his ki pool to increase his speed before determining the total speed for this teleportation.

Dimensional Dervish (again link)

If you read Dimensional Maneuvers then you'll see why I also added Dimensional Dervish.

Dimensional Maneuvers wrote:
While using the Dimensional Dervish feat...
So according to Dervish you take a full attack action and Dimension Door as a swift action.
Dimensional Dervish wrote:
You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action.

In the above spoilers you can see the full text for each. So my question is if you are taking a full attack action, how can you also bull rush or reposition?

To the best of my knowledge, they are standard actions that cannot be used during a full attack action.

I can see the intent behind bull rush because of the dimensional assault feat is basically a teleporting charge, so I would rule that it work with it to give the bonus. But technically that'd be a house rule based on RAI.

But how would the bonus from reposition be obtained? As written, you could never actually gain the benefit of this feat while using reposition. Am I missing something here though?

Does this need to be FAQ'ed? Unless I'm missing something it sounds like it needs an erratum really.

Cameron


There are feats like Quick Reposition that allow for maneuvers to be used in place of attacks. Additionally, given that the Dimensional Agility line calls out monks, it is expected that there are a number of options/archetypes for monks to use combat maneuvers in a more economic fashion.


Flaming Duck wrote:
There are a feats like Quick Reposition that allow for maneuvers to be used in place of attacks. Additionally, given that the Dimensional Agility line calls out monks, it is expected that there are a number of options/archetypes for monks to use combat maneuvers in a more economic fashion.

Ahh! I had no idea that was a feat. I must've missed it. I tried to find something like that but I guess I didn't try hard enough.

I'm still curious how the bull rush is intended to work though. Is it intended to be in combination with the relevant shield bashing feats?

Liberty's Edge

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I think they just covered their bases. Often the developers don't have in mind a specific interaction, or have every feat memorized. Certainly that would work, there are probably other ways to get bull rushes off on a full attack I don' even know (like the maneuver master monk iirc)

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