paizo.com Recent Posts in Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?paizo.com Recent Posts in Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?2015-12-29T23:54:53Z2015-12-29T23:54:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Entryhazardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#62015-12-30T12:10:37Z2015-12-30T00:57:27Z<p>Rule of thumb: if it would make Vital Strike usable, it doesn't work</p>Rule of thumb: if it would make Vital Strike usable, it doesn't workEntryhazard2015-12-30T00:57:27ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Xuchilbarahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#52015-12-30T00:48:53Z2015-12-30T00:48:53Z<p>I say #2, as double musket's description stronlgy suggests that firing both barrels at the same time count as two attacks at the use of the attack action (#3 out). It does'nt seem to restrain using vital strike though, as the only requisite specified in the feat's description states 'when using the attack action' (#1 out).</p>I say #2, as double musket's description stronlgy suggests that firing both barrels at the same time count as two attacks at the use of the attack action (#3 out). It does'nt seem to restrain using vital strike though, as the only requisite specified in the feat's description states 'when using the attack action' (#1 out).Xuchilbara2015-12-30T00:48:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Cavallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#42015-12-30T00:40:31Z2015-12-30T00:40:31Z<p>Yes I think it is clear that Vital Strike does not work with the musket in this way.</p>Yes I think it is clear that Vital Strike does not work with the musket in this way.Cavall2015-12-30T00:40:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Dragonchess Playerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#32015-12-30T00:39:02Z2015-12-30T00:39:02Z<p>IMO, 2. Vital Strike would not prevent an extra attack being triggered from Cleaving Finish, either (although that extra attack would not benefit from Vital Strike).</p>IMO, 2. Vital Strike would not prevent an extra attack being triggered from Cleaving Finish, either (although that extra attack would not benefit from Vital Strike).Dragonchess Player2015-12-30T00:39:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#22015-12-30T00:35:32Z2015-12-30T00:35:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Black Powder Chocobo wrote:</div><blockquote>the wording of <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#vital-strike" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vital Strike</a> is 'When using an attack action...'</blockquote><p>You're one word off in your quote.
<p>"When using <i><b>the</b></i> attack action."</p>
<p>Each option requires using the standard action: "attack".</p>Black Powder Chocobo wrote:the wording of Vital Strike is 'When using an attack action...'
You're one word off in your quote. "When using the attack action."
Each option requires using the standard action: "attack".Nefreet2015-12-30T00:35:32ZForums: Rules Questions: Can you Vital Strike with a double-barreled musket that uses the attack action to fire both barrels?Black Powder Chocobo (RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t7qz?Can-you-Vital-Strike-with-a-doublebarreled#12015-12-29T23:54:53Z2015-12-29T23:30:42Z<p>I would like to know how Vital Strike works, if at all, in the unusual situation listed in the title. </p>
<p>From the latest errata in Ultimate Combat, it is an attack action to simultaneously fire both barrels of a double-barreled musket. Likewise, the wording of <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#vital-strike" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vital Strike</a> is 'When using an attack action...', so Vital Strike should be usable with the double-barrel fire attack action. However, Vital Strike then states that using it is a single attack at your highest base attack bonus.</p>
<p>This takes some weird turns in that there are three ways this can pan out:</p>
<p>1. Vital Strike cannot be applied in this situation as Vital Strike specifically claims that it must be a single attack and firing both barrels with the attack action produces two attacks.</p>
<p>2. Vital Strike applies, but only to one of the attacks as Vital Strike states that one attack deals additional damage.</p>
<p>3. Vital Strike applies to both attacks as Vital Strike was printed before methods of getting multiple attacks using the attack action did not exist and the feat needs to be 'modernized' to account for new features (much like <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qny" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the Spell Mastery</a> FAQ).</p>
<p>RAW, 1 and 2 are the strongest contenders as option 3 doesn't work RAW and requires an update to the Vital Strike feat to work, but it is a possible solution to this conundrum if Vital Strike is to work with all attack actions. </p>
<p>Thank you for reviewing this and I look forward to a possible PDT response.</p>I would like to know how Vital Strike works, if at all, in the unusual situation listed in the title.
From the latest errata in Ultimate Combat, it is an attack action to simultaneously fire both barrels of a double-barreled musket. Likewise, the wording of Vital Strike is 'When using an attack action...', so Vital Strike should be usable with the double-barrel fire attack action. However, Vital Strike then states that using it is a single attack at your highest base attack bonus.
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