The league of people okay with anime in their fantasy.


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I'm okay with anime creeping into my Pathfinder/D&D. I'm also okay with wuxia. I mean, I'm not fond of certain anime tropes, such as the over-sexualization of young girls seen in some series, or the dark mysterious emo bishi who overpowers literally everything, but the medium as a whole is fine. I don't really see any problems with allowing elements to seep into Pathfinder. As for wuxia, it's been known to influence how I want melee combat to work. If spellcasters get to have a trick for literally everything, martials totally should be allowed to act like something straight out of Red Cliff. As for not being Medieval European Fantasy, I've never really had the desire to restrict my Pathfinder to European stuff, nor have I ever really thought of it as Medieval in any remotely accurate fashion.

Who's with me here?


You can still have a meaningful plot and serious, well written characters in an anime if that's what people are worried about. As for realism, honestly you can't get that past 3rd level. Past that people have way too many hit points compared to the real world, so you're going to see the "bloodied character beating the crap out of his enemies even though he's barely standing and should be knocked out by now" trope that's ever prevalent in that media unless your fighters are just lucky and beat them before they get to that point.


I have always imagined all of my games were to one degree or another, cartoons


Despite a lot of my feelings about anime are best summed up by 2 the Ranting Gryphon here very NSFW, I don't have a problem with the influence in gaming.

Now, that said, much like Rosita i am not interested in the average panty-flash stuff and the like, but many of the ideas are interesting. Some of the art that has influenced comics .. well. Not so much.


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I think DnD/Pathfinder is at its best when it allows all sort of fantasy and science fiction genres, so everyone can play the kind of game they want. I have no problem with any anime influence (Or Lovecraft...or science-fiction...or steampunk...you get my point). Specific anime tropes just shouldn't be the default assumption of the game.


As a (frustrated) Exalted-player, I kinda HAVE to support anime in my fantasy, lol.

But even before I ran into Exalted, there's been a LOT of good, fun, interesting anime informing my gaming. And what's not to love about people running on tree branches, leaping from streetlamp to awning to balcony? Or running on SMOKE? Who doesn't love that?


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MMCJawa wrote:
I think DnD/Pathfinder is at its best when it allows all sort of fantasy and science fiction genres, so everyone can play the kind of game they want. I have no problem with any anime influence (Or Lovecraft...or science-fiction...or steampunk...you get my point). Specific anime tropes just shouldn't be the default assumption of the game.

You know, I really wanna play in a steampunkish setting sometime. I really like the ascetics of that setting.


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Anime in games doesn't phase me. Having played Mekton, BESM, and several others that have an anime theme, it was expected. Lately, some players have characters have a certain Anime theme and it's cool.

I have seen some stuff on these boards where people really try to go over the top because they want to BE that character they saw in the game. If people could understand that it is likely that the character that they have seen in a movie/book/game is probably level 20 or higher, then all they have to do is look for the theme than the actual abilities.


I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P


Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.

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Count me in as someone very in favor of expanding beyond the stereotypical expectation of Tolkien-esque Medieval European fantasy.

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I'm always up for being anime trash, although my guides prove that.


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The question, as stated, doesn't really make any sense. Fantasy's an incredibly broad genre and anime is more of a medium than a genre. There are certainly some anime elements that don't go well with most fantasy - I wouldn't want mecha in most fantasy, unless I'm doing some weird cross-genre mash-up. But then the same holds for different fantasy genres as well - a Wheel of Time/Song of Ice and Fire mash-up won't work well.

If we're talking Pathfinder specifically, then stealing from something like Berserk would fit quite well.

The general assumption of anime=high-powered martial wackiness doesn't really hold. And even that has its parallels in western fantasy and especially myth & legend.

All that said, I don't have any real problem with that kind of thing in Pathfinder. D&D's always been a weird mash-up that doesn't really do any fantasy genre beyond its own very well. If I'm aiming for the kind of gritty realistic game where the wuxia stuff wouldn't work well, I'm either not using PF or I'm running at low levels where there won't be much anyway.


Orthos wrote:
Count me in as someone very in favor of expanding beyond the stereotypical expectation of Tolkien-esque Medieval European fantasy.

There's some anime which does Tolkien-esque pseudo-medieval-European fantasy, come to that. It's a medium rather than a genre, as thejeff points out.

And saying that, I don't think it's easy to justify D&D casters in a Tolkien-esque game.


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thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.

If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.


Rynjin wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.
If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.

I just meant I don't like it. I think it's juvenile and not funny. Ranma made me look at the girl I was dating at the time (who loved it) like she was crazy. Said girl also was VERY into full-on-h, so not surprising.


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I love Tolkien-style pseudo-europeano-centric games. I also love anime fantasy games. What I don't like is awkward clash of genres within a game.

I prefer games with strong (and relatively narrow) themes. Mostly, I enjoy games centered on the characters. If a DM is skilled enough to make multiple genres mix without the wonky awkwardness, there are no limits to what the characters can be (and where their inspiration come from).


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Laurefindel wrote:

I love Tolkien-style pseudo-europeano-centric games. I also love anime fantasy games. What I don't like is awkward clash of genres within a game.

I prefer games with strong (and relatively narrow) themes. Mostly, I enjoy games centered on the characters. If a DM is skilled enough to make multiple genres mix without the wonky awkwardness, there are no limits to what the characters can be (and where their inspiration come from).

In general I agree - I like more focused genre games. I'm not fond of "Throw the whole kitchen sink in there and try to make it work".

I guess my problem with the way this is often framed and the way I think you're framing it, is that D&D/PF isn't "Tolkien-style pseudo-europeano-centric games". Pseudo-European maybe, but the magic aspect of PF isn't anything like Tolkien or like European legends or even like much modern fantasy (except that directly drawing from D&D). Why is it more acceptable to take Gandalf and Merlin and turn them into PF-style god-mode wizards than to take Conan and Aragorn and turn them into demi-god martials? Or for that matter to draw straight from the source and use characters like Cuchulain or Beowulf?

Sometimes I suspect the problem is that people's expectations of what "Tolkien-style pseudo-europeano-centric games" should be are derived pretty directly from D&D itself, making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Using a lot of the anime tropes might clash with more European fantasy, but too often the "anime weeaboo" hammer is invoked with any sign of characters being able do anything cool without explicit magic.


thegreenteagamer wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.
If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.
I just meant I don't like it. I think it's juvenile and not funny. Ranma made me look at the girl I was dating at the time (who loved it) like she was crazy. Said girl also was VERY into full-on-h, so not surprising.

I'm not a big fan of Ranma either, but then again I don't like Rumiko Takahashi's style of story much overall.

I was thinking more of fanservice heavy series that still have a decent story, like Yusibu (I couldn't become a hero, so I reluctantly got a job), which was one of a number of series that took the traditional "chosen hero faces and demon king" trope (Which has been popular to switch up lately) and twisted it in a funny direction.


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What do you mean by 'fantasy'?
Do you mean 'of the fantasy/imagination', then all anime is per definition fantasy. If by 'fantasy' you mean 'rpg'...It depends on what anime in what game.

I don't want DBZ in most of my D&D-ish games but Record of Lodoss War (basically the writer's D&D game) is fine.
I like harem comedies but don't want them in my CoC. In a game of High School Harem Comedy it is by definition ok.
I don't want "Slayers" in my Ravenloft. It would work better in FR.
I don't want Naruto or Zu Warriors in my Dragonlance (or any other D&D setting I am familiar with).
I don't want my Kult game devolving to an episode of Lucky Star.

All these anime would be fine in games built around them but not necessarily in any given game.

In short, I don't want things where they don't belong, even if I like those things.


It's often a rocky relationship. Anime and gaming don't go together very well unless the gaming system is taking all of the things important to the anime into consideration. Pathfinder can do this but not particularly well.


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thegreenteagamer wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.
If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.
I just meant I don't like it. I think it's juvenile and not funny. Ranma made me look at the girl I was dating at the time (who loved it) like she was crazy. Said girl also was VERY into full-on-h, so not surprising.

I see we are meant to be staunch foes, despite your good taste in tea.


Scythia wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.
If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.
I just meant I don't like it. I think it's juvenile and not funny. Ranma made me look at the girl I was dating at the time (who loved it) like she was crazy. Said girl also was VERY into full-on-h, so not surprising.

I'm not a big fan of Ranma either, but then again I don't like Rumiko Takahashi's style of story much overall.

I was thinking more of fanservice heavy series that still have a decent story, like Yusibu (I couldn't become a hero, so I reluctantly got a job), which was one of a number of series that took the traditional "chosen hero faces and demon king" trope (Which has been popular to switch up lately) and twisted it in a funny direction.

...such poor taste in a woman I thought I knew so well...


Freehold DM wrote:
Scythia wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I'm not only fine with anime as a source of inspiration, I'm fond of it.

I'm okay with ecchi anime, but yeah it doesn't really belong in pathfinder. :P

I asked why, and then I googled what ecchi means, and immediately regretted asking.
If you regret seeing some harmless ecchi, I hate to see your reaction to full-on hentai.
I just meant I don't like it. I think it's juvenile and not funny. Ranma made me look at the girl I was dating at the time (who loved it) like she was crazy. Said girl also was VERY into full-on-h, so not surprising.

I'm not a big fan of Ranma either, but then again I don't like Rumiko Takahashi's style of story much overall.

I was thinking more of fanservice heavy series that still have a decent story, like Yusibu (I couldn't become a hero, so I reluctantly got a job), which was one of a number of series that took the traditional "chosen hero faces and demon king" trope (Which has been popular to switch up lately) and twisted it in a funny direction.

...such poor taste in a woman I thought I knew so well...

We all have our flaws. :P


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Rosita the Riveter wrote:

I'm okay with anime creeping into my Pathfinder/D&D. I'm also okay with wuxia. I mean, I'm not fond of certain anime tropes, such as the over-sexualization of young girls seen in some series, or the dark mysterious emo bishi who overpowers literally everything, but the medium as a whole is fine. I don't really see any problems with allowing elements to seep into Pathfinder. As for wuxia, it's been known to influence how I want melee combat to work. If spellcasters get to have a trick for literally everything, martials totally should be allowed to act like something straight out of Red Cliff. As for not being Medieval European Fantasy, I've never really had the desire to restrict my Pathfinder to European stuff, nor have I ever really thought of it as Medieval in any remotely accurate fashion.

Who's with me here?

It is fact that the original D&D cartoon show was at least in small parts anime (there's a particularly well animated scene in the final episode that was outsourced to a Japanese studio that produced anime and it shows). The more you know!

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
I like harem comedies but don't want them in my CoC.

Nyarko-san disagrees.


Heh. I always liked Cthuko myself, but...

It's true that it's probably best to remember that anime is mainly a medium, yeah. XD Some individual series would work fine in Pathfinder. Others, not so much.


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Well, to be fair, eastern fantasy (much of which is anime/manga/manhwa these days) has a distinctly different feel than western fantasy. The topic still very much stands.

Eastern fantasy is more fond of the "Charles Atlas Superpower" trope than western fantasy. Hard work can result in impossible gains, even from nominally normal people.

It's not so much a power levels difference, but a justification difference.

Western Fantasy:

Q: "Why can that guy destroy a mountain/Slash a hole through space-time/Randomly gain body mass when he gets pissed?"

A: "Because he's a wizard/demigod/got a mech-suit/was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Eastern Fantasy:

Q: "Why can that guy destroy a mountain/Slash a hole through space-time/Randomly gain body mass when he gets pissed?"

A: "Because he trained REALLY HARD and wanted it SUPER BAD."

Obviously this is just a generalization; There's a bit of either/or on both sides. But general trends it holds up.

That's generally where the pushback for "Weaboo Fightan Magic" comes from. It's "wuxia" or "anime" if a non-magical character does something physically impossible. Really it's semantics in the big picture, it's the same end result. But for some, the justification of "He's magic" makes all the difference.


Krensky wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
I like harem comedies but don't want them in my CoC.
Nyarko-san disagrees.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nyaruko-san is hilarious but that sort of thing does not belong in anything attempting to do Lovecraftian horror.

I suspect you agree with me and just being funny, but without being absolutely sure, I'm making my point as clear as I can.
There is a time and place for everything. I love offensive jokes but I won't make jokes about SIDS around people I'm not sure would be able to find the humor in it, just like I don't play Cards Against Humanity with my parents.


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Bleach. That's pretty much what I think of when I consider anime style things I want to see in pathfinder. Warriors so skilled they can seem to teleport because they can spirit so quickly, techniques that allow the force of a strike to become a projectile, stylish magical weapons that are a part of the character rather than store bought or grave robbed, and (at the highest levels) the ability to exert one's presence to physically overwhelm weaker foes, or execute powerful finishing moves.

I'd prefer that to a character who just hits 4 points harder.

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
I don't play Cards Against Humanity with my parents.

Coward. ;)

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Scythia wrote:

Bleach. That's pretty much what I think of when I consider anime style things I want to see in pathfinder. Warriors so skilled they can seem to teleport because they can spirit so quickly, techniques that allow the force of a strike to become a projectile, stylish magical weapons that are a part of the character rather than store bought or grave robbed, and (at the highest levels) the ability to exert one's presence to physically overwhelm weaker foes, or execute powerful finishing moves.

I'd prefer that to a character who just hits 4 points harder.

Might I interest you in a copy of Fantasy Craft?


Krensky wrote:
Scythia wrote:

Bleach. That's pretty much what I think of when I consider anime style things I want to see in pathfinder. Warriors so skilled they can seem to teleport because they can spirit so quickly, techniques that allow the force of a strike to become a projectile, stylish magical weapons that are a part of the character rather than store bought or grave robbed, and (at the highest levels) the ability to exert one's presence to physically overwhelm weaker foes, or execute powerful finishing moves.

I'd prefer that to a character who just hits 4 points harder.

Might I interest you in a copy of Fantasy Craft?

Unless it's a 3pp pathfinder supplement, no thanks. Pathfinder is quite capable of handling everything I just mentioned.


Krensky wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
I don't play Cards Against Humanity with my parents.
Coward. ;)

Guilty as charged.


Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War
Moribito; Guardian of the Spirit
Twelve Kingdoms

All excelent anime fantasy series that are fantastic sources of inspiration for any RPG.

heck Slayers and Louie the Rune Soldier are a bit more silly but in a lot of ways they feel like a typical gaming group.

Dreamscar Press has some nice things you can use like their Path of War.

Alternatively Drop Dead's Spheres of Power book is very easy to adapt to fit into any sort of style you want to do.


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Greylurker wrote:

Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War
Moribito; Guardian of the Spirit
Twelve Kingdoms

All excelent anime fantasy series that are fantastic sources of inspiration for any RPG.

heck Slayers and Louie the Rune Soldier are a bit more silly but in a lot of ways they feel like a typical gaming group.

Don't forget Heroic Legend of Arslan in that list.

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Greylurker wrote:

Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War

Louie the Rune Soldier

Same world, same RPG.

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thejeff wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:

I love Tolkien-style pseudo-europeano-centric games. I also love anime fantasy games. What I don't like is awkward clash of genres within a game.

I prefer games with strong (and relatively narrow) themes. Mostly, I enjoy games centered on the characters. If a DM is skilled enough to make multiple genres mix without the wonky awkwardness, there are no limits to what the characters can be (and where their inspiration come from).

In general I agree - I like more focused genre games. I'm not fond of "Throw the whole kitchen sink in there and try to make it work".

Whereas I am.


Greylurker wrote:

Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War
Moribito; Guardian of the Spirit
Twelve Kingdoms

All excelent anime fantasy series that are fantastic sources of inspiration for any RPG.

heck Slayers and Louie the Rune Soldier are a bit more silly but in a lot of ways they feel like a typical gaming group.

Dreamscar Press has some nice things you can use like their Path of War.

Alternatively Drop Dead's Spheres of Power book is very easy to adapt to fit into any sort of style you want to do.

Add Scrapped Princess to that list, Such a good series that doesn't get enough love. That series describes how strong I want both my casters and noncasters to be.

Also now that I think of it, Legend of Legendary Heroes.


Caineach wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War
Moribito; Guardian of the Spirit
Twelve Kingdoms

All excelent anime fantasy series that are fantastic sources of inspiration for any RPG.

heck Slayers and Louie the Rune Soldier are a bit more silly but in a lot of ways they feel like a typical gaming group.

Dreamscar Press has some nice things you can use like their Path of War.

Alternatively Drop Dead's Spheres of Power book is very easy to adapt to fit into any sort of style you want to do.

Add Scrapped Princess to that list, Such a good series that doesn't get enough love. That series describes how strong I want both my casters and noncasters to be.

Also now that I think of it, Legend of Legendary Heroes.

One thing I liked about Scrapped Princess was the magic. The reality was that it was science, but no one really knew that. Wizard just had access to the computer system that coverend tactical artillery.


Greylurker wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Always depends on what you want to use

Record of Lodoss War
Moribito; Guardian of the Spirit
Twelve Kingdoms

All excelent anime fantasy series that are fantastic sources of inspiration for any RPG.

heck Slayers and Louie the Rune Soldier are a bit more silly but in a lot of ways they feel like a typical gaming group.

Dreamscar Press has some nice things you can use like their Path of War.

Alternatively Drop Dead's Spheres of Power book is very easy to adapt to fit into any sort of style you want to do.

Add Scrapped Princess to that list, Such a good series that doesn't get enough love. That series describes how strong I want both my casters and noncasters to be.

Also now that I think of it, Legend of Legendary Heroes.

One thing I liked about Scrapped Princess was the magic. The reality was that it was science, but no one really knew that. Wizard just had access to the computer system that coverend tactical artillery.

One of my favorite scenes is still the guy complaining about how short the main caster's verbal components are.


Some of my leveled mutations are strongly Anime based.

I'm thinking of adapting Life Fibers to Pathfinder.

There's a current topic about Devil Fruit(From One Piece).

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We're a league now? Works for me.


I don't know very much about anime. However, I know that it is defined in the first sentence of its Wikipedia article as

Quote:
Japanese hand-drawn or computer animation.

Given that, I'm not really sure how any TTRPG with no animation can be more or less "anime". I suppose one could take time during a gaming session to draw/animate what is happening in the game, but I greatly prefer to just describe it verbally.

Then again, I also hear people talking about playing a massively multiplayer online game on paper, as well as a real life fantasy game, so clearly there's a lot about the medium of tabletop RPGs that I don't understand.


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On the assumption you are not being intentionally dense in order to make a point:
these are all clumsy and inaccurate (but in some cases oddly apt) ways of saying that there are elements in these other media that are in many ways unique to or very common to those media, and that these elements are being brought into other media (in this case PnP games).


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I'd love to see the DM who could recreate such a VISUAL medium in their games. Because you realize that the only common definition of anime refers to the visual medium of animation.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
I'd love to see the DM who could recreate such a VISUAL medium in their games. Because you realize that the only common definition of anime refers to the visual medium of animation.

Ya start by DMing a Fair Folk Exalted game and pray you come out of it intact.

Once your players get the hang of that, you really need to push the envelope when it comes to describing things


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
I'd love to see the DM who could recreate such a VISUAL medium in their games. Because you realize that the only common definition of anime refers to the visual medium of animation.

A little imagination can go a long way with an equally little nudging.

Also if you play using a digital medium like maptools, tokens can be made using various art styles which can contribute to certain themes.


Hell, Record of Lodoss War is pretty much a guy making a successful manga and anime out of his home D&D game.

(Rewatched the OVA series recently. Man, Parn gets schooled all the damn time. I hadn't remembered at all how much he gets his ass beat.)

My group pretty cheerfully borrows from anime, JRPGS, etc.

Heh. I remember citing Mononoke Hime when I asked for my paladin to have a wolf instead of a horse for her bonded mount, and that was sufficient.

(FYI, magus is pretty much the go-to class for duplicating most Bleach shinigamis (with the bladed dash spell pretty much being a flash step), though I'd argue that the captain-class Shinigamis are mythic.)

And yeah, another +1 for Scrapped Princess and Twelve Kingdoms.

The Twelve Kingdoms wrote:

Youko: Ah. So that's why they don't pray.

Rakashun: Oh?

Youko: Because they know God is real, and He isn't going to help them.

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