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New trailer shows Star Trek getting Fast and Furious

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It is beginning to bother me that every new ST movie, Enterprise gets shot to hell. Can we have an actual ST movie for once?


Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy...!

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The Enterprise got destroyed in Search for Spock and in Generations, and got almost destroyed in several others. The Enterprise getting blown to hell is perfectly fine for a ST movie.

Doing dirt bike stunts to the Beastie Boys isn't, but they already had Kirk doing car stunts to the Beastie Boys in the the first of the new films.


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Aside from McCoy's one liners, I am generally "meh" so far.

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Yeah, Karl Urban has stolen every scene he was in in the first two, it's nice to see that in the trailer too.

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Well Leonard Nimoy burst into tears when he observed Urban perform as McCoy. He said he saw DeForrest Kelly standing there for a moment.


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Bleah. I get it. J.J. loves the Beastie Boys. I love Motorhead, but if I were producing a movie franchise I wouldn't try to shoehorn one of their songs into every movie.

Good points: Looks like we've finally got original antagonists and new aliens. There's some of the wry humor I expect from Star Trek.

Bad points: This looks like Fast & Furious in space. A whole lot of blockbuster action movie, not a lot of Star Trek except for the trappings. It looks better than the first two, but I think I'll pass on this until it gets to Netflix.

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Shadowborn wrote:
Bleah. I get it. J.J. loves the Beastie Boys. I love Motorhead, but if I were producing a movie franchise I wouldn't try to shoehorn one of their songs into every movie.

Kirk loves the Beastie Boys in this timeline. It makes sense, Sabotage is a great freaking song, and Kirk was an agnsty teenager with a bad home life and daddy issues when he crashed the car in the first movie.

We also don't know if the song is actually in this movie or not. It could just be used as a tie in to the first film. It also could be, because we know Kirk has a fondness for 1990's alternative rap in this timeline.

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Still not a fan of these new "Star Trek" movies that don't feel at all like Star Trek, but I was happy to see what looked like a Cardassian in it. Not enough to see the movie most likely though, still haven't seen the second...and in no hurry to.

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JoelF847 wrote:
but I was happy to see what looked like a Cardassian in it.

Kim, Khloe, or one of the other ones? ;)


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I am so seeing this movie.

Don't really care for the music of the trailer though. Also, it's so jumpy that it's impossible for any sort of real picture to come through.


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Shadowborn wrote:

Bleah. I get it. J.J. loves the Beastie Boys. I love Motorhead, but if I were producing a movie franchise I wouldn't try to shoehorn one of their songs into every movie.

Good points: Looks like we've finally got original antagonists and new aliens. There's some of the wry humor I expect from Star Trek.

Bad points: This looks like Fast & Furious in space. A whole lot of blockbuster action movie, not a lot of Star Trek except for the trappings. It looks better than the first two, but I think I'll pass on this until it gets to Netflix.

JJ didn't direct this one...

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Well the best part of these new ST flicks are the over the top action stunts that the crew somehow survives against all odds. Trailer seems to promise a lot more of it.

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Hama wrote:
It is beginning to bother me that every new ST movie, Enterprise gets shot to hell. Can we have an actual ST movie for once?

Apparently not.


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I'm down for new movie.

Good time to be into most things geek.


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JoelF847 wrote:
Still not a fan of these new "Star Trek" movies that don't feel at all like Star Trek, but I was happy to see what looked like a Cardassian in it. Not enough to see the movie most likely though, still haven't seen the second...and in no hurry to.

You know that as much as we all miss them, nimoy and those who have gone into the realms beyond aren't coming back, right?

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JoelF847 wrote:
Still not a fan of these new "Star Trek" movies that don't feel at all like Star Trek, but I was happy to see what looked like a Cardassian in it. Not enough to see the movie most likely though, still haven't seen the second...and in no hurry to.
You know that as much as we all miss them, nimoy and those who have gone into the realms beyond aren't coming back, right?

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about the new ST movies. First of all, I'm not a fan of the alternate timeline and revisiting the Kirk/Spock, etc. crew in the first place, and would much rather have had the reboot essentially been The Next Next Generation set in the same timeline. However, that isn't how they decided to go, and I can accept that. What I can't accept is that these new movies completely lose the tone of Star Trek. They're really no different from tongue in cheek action adventure space movies, not though provoking, either philosophically or strategically. Even when they have had great action scenes, they're often involving clever strategies and decision making, rather than just out fighting and being cool.


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The movies aren't that bad, it's just: They don't deserve the label 'Star Trek'. Saw the first of the new movies and it felt like some barely grownup took the elements of Star Trek he perceived as 'cool' and threw them together to a random action movie. Exploding Vulcan put the final nail in the coffin for me. I boycotted Into Darkness and will continue to do as long as they continue with this style. Tried to be fair, so I watched the trailer, but it just refuels the rage.

Thing is: I am not even a real trekkie and the movies usually aren't that great anyway. But this selfish take on a time-honored scifi universe makes me furious fast...


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Different strokes, I guess.

Your loss.


Other than one person being accidentally hit by a bus

I don't think there was any sort of action at all in the one award winning episode of the original series

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Not to be picky, but "The Menagerie" also took a Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation, and there was a bit more action there.


*pffft* Hugos don't count...

but you are right.


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Hugos are losing prestige, rapidly.

But hey...I will agree the new ST movies don't quite capture the more thoughtful enterprises of the Original series, or even TNG, but there are many episodes of DS9 which were just basically action episodes with no real deep thought to them.

And among the movies...though ST2 had the entire Genesis thought going, most of it was watching Kahn wanting revenge on Kirk...six was like a parallel of the US/USSR making peace...but was pretty intense in it's own action way, ST FC was retelling Moby Dick, but was pretty action packed. STV was probably more on the reflective side...but many hate that one. ST Insurrection had a great deal of reflection on natives, exploitation, and other aspect but many didn't like that one. Nemesis was more action packed, but it had a lot to do with the taking of DNA material, the value of life, and living in another's shadow and that didn't do to great either.

In fact, many of the more action ST movies seem to be the better regarded ones with the more introspective and reflective movies being ones that people don't seem to like as much.

I will be seeing the New ST3 movie coming out, but I will admit I'd like to see something with Will Riker and the Titan or something else perhaps further along THAT particular timeline.


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Haters should hate the films that put a fork in the original universe.


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JoelF847 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
Still not a fan of these new "Star Trek" movies that don't feel at all like Star Trek, but I was happy to see what looked like a Cardassian in it. Not enough to see the movie most likely though, still haven't seen the second...and in no hurry to.
You know that as much as we all miss them, nimoy and those who have gone into the realms beyond aren't coming back, right?
Yes, I'm well aware of that, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about the new ST movies. First of all, I'm not a fan of the alternate timeline and revisiting the Kirk/Spock, etc. crew in the first place, and would much rather have had the reboot essentially been The Next Next Generation set in the same timeline. However, that isn't how they decided to go, and I can accept that. What I can't accept is that these new movies completely lose the tone of Star Trek. They're really no different from tongue in cheek action adventure space movies, not though provoking, either philosophically or strategically. Even when they have had great action scenes, they're often involving clever strategies and decision making, rather than just out fighting and being cool.

Exactly. To me it seems that the Star Trek movies are not Star Trek movies, but rather generic space action movies with some Star Trek characters in them. At that point I would rather people just develop a new original property rather than see an adaptation with everything that is actually attractive to the fans filed off.


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I just saw the trailer, I liked the part where Spock and Bones are surrounded and Bones says "well at least I won't die alone" then Spock is teleported away, to which Bones says "well that's just typical"


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Freehold DM wrote:
Haters should hate the films that put a fork in the original universe.

You know...you can dislike Star Trek Nemesis and Insurrection, and also dislike the new Star Trek movies. It's not an either/or situation.

I am looking forward to the new TV series, even if I have reservations on how CBS is going to handle it.


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Shadowborn wrote:

Bleah. I get it. J.J. loves the Beastie Boys. I love Motorhead, but if I were producing a movie franchise I wouldn't try to shoehorn one of their songs into every movie.

Good points: Looks like we've finally got original antagonists and new aliens. There's some of the wry humor I expect from Star Trek.

Bad points: This looks like Fast & Furious in space. A whole lot of blockbuster action movie, not a lot of Star Trek except for the trappings. It looks better than the first two, but I think I'll pass on this until it gets to Netflix.

JJ didn't direct this one...

No, but he's one of the producers.

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Insurrection was ok.

Scarab Sages

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Hama wrote:
Insurrection was ok.

It wasn't nearly as bad as The Motion Picture, that's for sure. It's amazing Gene ever got to make Warth of Khan after that snooze fest.


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Haters should hate the films that put a fork in the original universe.

I'd rather put a fork in Berman & Braga. And now Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof.

Wait no, I'd rather put a whole silverware drawer into Lindelof.


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I can't wait, at least they finally left earth's solar system for more then a few minutes.


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Y'know, blowing the ship up had some impact and shock value in 1984. The first time they did it.

But after Generations, Nemesis, Reboot Trek, and Into Darkness all either destroyed or severely damaged the ship, seeing it completely atomized in the first friggin' trailer makes it plain that that no, changing pace and letting the Starship Enterprise be in any way impressive in-universe is not on their to-do list.

And that's... actually gotten old. You can certainly say that since it's been done before, it's not beyond the pale.

But that poor ship has not gotten to kick ANY butt since the reboot hit.

Couple that with the apparent desire to mash up Guardians of the Galaxy and the Fast & Furious Franchise, and I find myself agreeing with Trailer Kirk: "Let's never do that again."

No ship, no crew, no point. They've officially run out of things to blow up to prove it's "the same but different," and are now just going "dirtbikes and Beastie Boys in space, wheee!"

I'm sure people will go see this.

Heck, I like the cast enough that I'm not declaring a boycott at this time- the new casting is, for the most part, really pretty good.

But my hype train has no fire in its boiler.

Mind, most Trek movies are festeringly awful, and their popularly-accepted "peak" (Wrath of Khan through Voyage Home) rode, in part, on being a rough trilogy linked very closely. You could almost hear, "last year, on Star Trek," when III and IV started. So it felt more like the series.

Star Trek in small bites is never very good- even with a through-line, it often stumbles over itself.

But this trailer looks like it's trying so hard to scream "notice me!" amidst all the Star Wars hype...

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This is...not Star Trek. At least not if the music is any indication. And it frequently is.

Is it just me, or is there some kind of double-standard creeping around:

Star Wars fans complain about the new stuff being a betrayal of the original spirit, and while most people aren't as rabid about the issue as the core constituency, there's general mutterings of agreement, and everyone is excited when a true fan gets to take the director's chair with the aim of righting what was wronged.

Star Trek fans voice the same sentiments, and the visible response is much more like "growthef~!+up, DORK, it's making money so be grateful and like it!"

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The problem is Paramount. Trek has been on a long slow decline ever since Gene died. They are simply trying to make money on it instead of also honoring the Trek legacy. I don't think it's all Berman & Braga's fault either. Hell, DS9 is still my favorite Trek series, only beating Next Gen because of the better continuity of the episodes.

The new films are entertaining fun sci-fi flicks. They are very well done for what they are. They are not Trek though. I still enjoy them despite that, but they don't have anything in common with Trek except character names.

I'd like to see the rights go to another company that would take a chance on the fans and make something for them. Disney has shown that they can do that on Marvel, and by all reports Star Wars. I'd love it if they stole Trek away from Paramount, but I doubt it will ever happen.

We'll have to see how the streaming show goes, but honestly, my expectations are low.


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I don't think it's all Berman & Braga's fault either. Hell, DS9 is still my favorite Trek series, only beating Next Gen because of the better continuity of the episodes.

DS9 was in the sweet spot, design-wise- Roddenbury was gone, but not LONG gone, so while some of his more ludicrous conceits could be thrown out*, the basic underpinnings were still there.

The drift widened with Voyager (Star Trek: The Squandering, as we call it around here), and then Enterprise was hamstrung by a lot of stupid constraints, which, when the axe was lowered, led to the fourth season being pretty solid overall.

But Enterprise's "failure" (it was rooooooobbed!) definitely paved the way for the shiny reboot movies.

* Give us a multi-episode plot, really we can handle it. And it's okay if the crew don't all like each other at first, it gives them room to grow. And so on.

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Roddenberry was killing TNG. When he left it got a lot better. Yes the scathing social commentary was a little lost after he passed, but there was no ludicrous ideas and the society started to be a bit more realistic.

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Enterprise could have been really great. The actors (mostly) tried their best to work around the stupid BS that was forced upon them by Braga.


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Hama wrote:
Insurrection was ok.
It wasn't nearly as bad as The Motion Picture, that's for sure. It's amazing Gene ever got to make Warth of Khan after that snooze fest.

Wut

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The 3rd and 4th seasons of Enterprise were fantastic. Every episode with Shran was golden. The 1st and 2nd were bad, but still better than most of Voyager.


Imbicatus wrote:
The 3rd and 4th seasons of Enterprise were fantastic. Every episode with Shran was golden. The 1st and 2nd were bad, but still better than most of Voyager.

Wut wut


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This is...not Star Trek. At least not if the music is any indication. And it frequently is.

Is it just me, or is there some kind of double-standard creeping around:

Star Wars fans complain about the new stuff being a betrayal of the original spirit, and while most people aren't as rabid about the issue as the core constituency, there's general mutterings of agreement, and everyone is excited when a true fan gets to take the director's chair with the aim of righting what was wronged.

Star Trek fans voice the same sentiments, and the visible response is much more like "growthef*&&up, DORK, it's making money so be grateful and like it!"

Well...the New Star Trek Movies happen in an alternative universe/timeline while the old presumably also still exists. Therefore, nothing they do in the NEW ones invalidates the canon of the old ones.

That makes a perfect type of match where Paramount can actually switch to the old universe anytime they really want, or continue with the new one.

Star Wars on the otherhand, they scrapped the old continuity wholesale, and hence there is no other option if they get it wrong. If they do worse than the old continuity, there's no saying...well...the old one still exists and we can backtrack. Instead, it's this or die.

I think that's one major difference.

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@Freehold. The Motion Picture was terribad. It was Gene Roddenberry's wet dream put on tape. Most of the movie didn't make any sense. It was slow paced, dialogue was boring and cliche'd. Acting was OK. And the twist was good. That pretty much sums it up.

I never liked Voyager, at all. So I can't be one to judge. But I found 3rd and 4th seasons of Enterprise to be the strongest among all of the ST series I watched. After TNG of course.


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I just saw the trailer, I liked the part where Spock and Bones are surrounded and Bones says "well at least I won't die alone" then Spock is teleported away, to which Bones says "well that's just typical"

I laughed out loud. Love Karl Urban as McCoy.


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Randarak wrote:
I laughed out loud. Love Karl Urban as McCoy.

That's the part that galls me... this cast is GOOD.

They could MAKE a more "Trek" movie work, because the chemistry and talent are there.

But no, bring on the dirtbikes.


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ST: The Motion Picture was simply "I, Nomad" done on the big screen. It wasn't even an original story.

I liked the first J.J. Abrams remake tremendously! It was tons of fun! "Out of Darkness" was such a disappointment. This one looks like they're going back to action/fun as the focus.


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Randarak wrote:
I laughed out loud. Love Karl Urban as McCoy.

That's the part that galls me... this cast is GOOD.

They could MAKE a more "Trek" movie work, because the chemistry and talent are there.

But no, bring on the dirtbikes.

suvs in space, however, are just fine.

If techtalk monologing problems away with a side of hammy fisticuffs is your bag, you've got several hundreds, if not thousands of hours to enjoy.


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suvs in space, however, are just fine.

You clearly don't know me very well.

And clearly didn't read the bit fourteen posts up where I said

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Mind, most Trek movies are festeringly awful
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If techtalk monologing problems away with a side of hammy fisticuffs is your bag, you've got several hundreds, if not thousands of hours to enjoy.

And if largely consequence-free action with car chases and gunplay is your bag, you have tens of thousands of hours to enjoy, without that bothersome Star Trek Label stenciled on most of it. So what?


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I am going to wait patiently until the day I get to see Chris Pine talk a computer to death.

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