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Jaçinto wrote:

I think Takei does not like his character now being gay because it doesn't matter. There was no reason at all to ever say the character's orientation as it had no bearing on the stories. Suddenly retconning it is just silly. Who really likes retcons, especially ones that don't matter?

Edit: Re-read it. The younger one is gay. I made a mistake there. I can see that takei doesn't want an omage really, as this one has already slapped him in the face with that future katana thing after he had an argument during the TOS days of not wanting sulu to be a stereotype. But really, he says he basically does not want them altered and wants them to be true to the originals. If you want to change someone, make a new character.

Honestly I hated Star Trek into Darkness. There was barely a story at all and was just a total mess. the "khan" character was totally pointless and there was no reason to call him Khan, as it had no bearing at all. Also when Nimoy-spock said Khan was the greatest enemy they ever faced, or whatever, that is totally wrong. I would sooner put the squire of gothos, the doomsday machine, and several others as massively more dangerous. Also at the beginning, Spock was telling kirk not to break the prime directive WHILE he was breaking the prime directive himself. Kirk stole a cultural relic for no reason whatsoever and it had no bearing at all on the story, and could have been easily removed as a useless scene. I double face palmed when I heard the phrase "Cold Fusion bomb" to freeze the volcano, as that is not how cold fusion is theorized to work. They could have easily said cryo bomb if they wanted a science term that means cold and frozen. If you also pay attention to the story, there is no reason for that Kirk to be a captain as he is terrible at commanding authority. Spock had no reason to be in a relationship. They turned an iconic character from Wrath of Khan into a sex object. Oh and at the end, making Kirk's sacrifice totally pointless, magic revive blood which will thus...

the movies are two different things with only slim things connecting them. Comparing them is a recipe for frustration and putting a fist in the face of others for being "wrong".

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JoelF847 wrote:
I thought I recalled an original episode where Uhura was flirting with Sulu a bit. I don't think it ever was a kiss or anything, but if my memory is right, there was definitely some languid stares. I don't recall if Sulu reciprocated or not. Might have been in Naked Time when he was shirtless and fencing...

In the Mirror Universe, Uhura flirted with Mirror Sulu to distract him from his monitor board for a minute (and then slapped him when he got a little too frisky and her distraction was complete).

But I don't recall anything in the TV shows or movies regarding the normal universe version of Sulu (and only that he has a daughter in the 'expanded universe').

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And the old Trek movie Sulu was quite fabulous with that cape and all.

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Sulu's daughter is in Generations.

As for sexuality, ignoring the mirror universe, where he was hitting on Uhura, when drink on polywater Sulu the musketeer was treating Uhura like a damsel in distress. Certainly not conclusive, but it's still suggestive.


Honestly I just don't think the Sulu thing matters at all. I just hope beyond is a good movie since into darkness was just trash, even ignoring the canon. I hope they get new writers and a director that actually cares about Star Trek, not a schlock action movie.


Jaçinto wrote:
Honestly I just don't think the Sulu thing matters at all. I just hope beyond is a good movie since into darkness was just trash, even ignoring the canon. I hope they get new writers and a director that actually cares about Star Trek, not a schlock action movie.

Given the box office numbers that isn't likely. It is far more likely that they will continue to milk their cash cow in its current form.


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Krensky wrote:

Sulu's daughter is in Generations.

As for sexuality, ignoring the mirror universe, where he was hitting on Uhura, when drink on polywater Sulu the musketeer was treating Uhura like a damsel in distress. Certainly not conclusive, but it's still suggestive.

Also, I know several gay men who have children (both their own natural progeny and via adoption.) I think given the politics of the 23rd century that "being gay" and "having a daughter" shouldn't be considered exclusionary statements.

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if you dont like the Sulu decision just blame it on the Ambramverse being a huge garbage dump.

One thing they keep overlooking is the first woman/woman kiss that was on TV on DS9. That story was far more compelling Since Dax and her former spouse had been both men and women so the attraction transcended gender. In any event, an excellent Trek story that seems to have been forgotten in the discussion.

I can see both points of view of Takei and Pegg. If it was a series maybe a new gay character would be the route to go. Though you have a lot less time during a film to develop a new character. Seems fine and as I said if its badly done (a distinct possibility) just blame it on the bad reboot era and move on.

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I'm not sure a new character, gay or otherwise, would be all that welcome, given that the old crew are, IMO, already getting short shrift from screentime, with Kirk, Spock and Uhura pretty much dominating the show, with a side of Scotty and Bones, and might-as-well-be-cameos from Sulu and Chekov. This new Trek doesn't even have 'room' for Lower Decks type characters like Rand and Chapel and M'benga, adding new characters seems like just throwing more straws on an already overburdened camel's back.


I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

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BigDTBone wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Sulu's daughter is in Generations.

As for sexuality, ignoring the mirror universe, where he was hitting on Uhura, when drink on polywater Sulu the musketeer was treating Uhura like a damsel in distress. Certainly not conclusive, but it's still suggestive.

Also, I know several gay men who have children (both their own natural progeny and via adoption.) I think given the politics of the 23rd century that "being gay" and "having a daughter" shouldn't be considered exclusionary statements.

That was purely in refrence to the question of her place in canon.

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Quark Blast wrote:
I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

They have two ways to address this. One is to have Chekoff die off-screen, maybe movie #4 starts with his funeral, and they get a new navigator, or they can get someone young, who kinda looks like him to replace him.

My money is on Tom Holland.


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I remember Sulu being navigation and Chekov was on weapons. This honestly sucks because I always liked Chekov, even the new version. He seemed like a fun actor.

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Sulu was the helmsman, Checkov was the navigator until he transfers to security/tactical in the Motion Picture.


Set wrote:

I'm not sure a new character, gay or otherwise, would be all that welcome, given that the old crew are, IMO, already getting short shrift from screentime, with Kirk, Spock and Uhura pretty much dominating the show, with a side of Scotty and Bones, and might-as-well-be-cameos from Sulu and Chekov. This new Trek doesn't even have 'room' for Lower Decks type characters like Rand and Chapel and M'benga, adding new characters seems like just throwing more straws on an already overburdened camel's back.

Yeah, ensemble casts work far better on TV. Preferably 26 hour-long episodes a year. Also, I'm sad that we don't live in that world anymore.


I really think the new star trek would do better as a TV series than a movie series. I want to see the adventures they go on in a new five year mission.


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Quark Blast wrote:
I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

They have two ways to address this. One is to have Chekoff die off-screen, maybe movie #4 starts with his funeral, and they get a new navigator, or they can get someone young, who kinda looks like him to replace him.

My money is on Tom Holland.

My spidey sense is tingling so you must be right.


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BigDTBone wrote:
Set wrote:

I'm not sure a new character, gay or otherwise, would be all that welcome, given that the old crew are, IMO, already getting short shrift from screentime, with Kirk, Spock and Uhura pretty much dominating the show, with a side of Scotty and Bones, and might-as-well-be-cameos from Sulu and Chekov. This new Trek doesn't even have 'room' for Lower Decks type characters like Rand and Chapel and M'benga, adding new characters seems like just throwing more straws on an already overburdened camel's back.

Yeah, ensemble casts work far better on TV. Preferably 26 hour-long episodes a year. Also, I'm sad that we don't live in that world anymore.

Most of the episodes of TOS, the majority of what we think of as the main crew did very very little. Kirk, Spock, and Bones were really the only ones to consistently get decent amounts of screen time and plot lines...and even Bones was a good couple of tiers below Kirk and Spock.

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Hama wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

They have two ways to address this. One is to have Chekoff die off-screen, maybe movie #4 starts with his funeral, and they get a new navigator, or they can get someone young, who kinda looks like him to replace him.

My money is on Tom Holland.

Third option is to give it about 5 years and re-reboot. Unlikely if the series takes off. I hope the series does because I love the premise they are working with. Though the CBS paywall is obnoxious so who knows?

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BigDTBone wrote:
Yeah, ensemble casts work far better on TV. Preferably 26 hour-long episodes a year. Also, I'm sad that we don't live in that world anymore.

Still waiting for a 'Starfleet Academy' or 'Starfleet Command' series or something, taking up in ye olde continuity after DS9 and Voyager and continuing in the setting with a new cast and crew, and maybe the occasional cameo by an older character. (And ignoring the movie Trek reboot universe entirely.)

Is it too much to ask to see some Cardassians and Andorians and Borg again? And 100% less Beastie Boys?


Set wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
Yeah, ensemble casts work far better on TV. Preferably 26 hour-long episodes a year. Also, I'm sad that we don't live in that world anymore.

Still waiting for a 'Starfleet Academy' or 'Starfleet Command' series or something, taking up in ye olde continuity after DS9 and Voyager and continuing in the setting with a new cast and crew, and maybe the occasional cameo by an older character. (And ignoring the movie Trek reboot universe entirely.)

Is it too much to ask to see some Cardassians and Andorians and Borg again? And 100% less Beastie Boys?

yes.

The fork was stuck in that turkey a long, long time ago.

And don't give me any guff on this, I literally JUST finished hanging with Nana visitor, I will he hanging with Michael dorn later on today.

turns up the volume on the beastie boys

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Pan wrote:
Hama wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

They have two ways to address this. One is to have Chekoff die off-screen, maybe movie #4 starts with his funeral, and they get a new navigator, or they can get someone young, who kinda looks like him to replace him.

My money is on Tom Holland.

Third option is to give it about 5 years and re-reboot. Unlikely if the series takes off. I hope the series does because I love the premise they are working with. Though the CBS paywall is obnoxious so who knows?

Huh? Did you just combine the conversation about how to replace the actor who played Chekov in the new movies with the conversation about the new Star Trek TV series CBS is doing?


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Is the new Star Trek series going to be in the original (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT) continuity?

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Quark Blast wrote:
I hear there's an opening at Navigation now.

I'd say Lieutenant Arex for Star Trek XIV, but James Doohan isn't around to do the s!*@ty Lieutenant Arex voice anymore, either.

.....Lieutenant M'Ress for Star Trek XIV? The Kelvin Timeline has Caitians already.

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Norman Osborne wrote:
Is the new Star Trek series going to be in the original (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT) continuity?

yes. Each season will be a self contained story that takes place in different eras of the television series. I believe the first season will be towards the end of the Kirk era.

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Huh? Did you just combine the conversation about how to replace the actor who played Chekov in the new movies with the conversation about the new Star Trek TV series CBS is doing?

Sort of yeah. My thought was folks want the old trek back and a series will give it to them. If there was no series they could just let the abramverse go away and try again in a few years. In that case, they would replace everybody so the unfortunate passing of Yeltin wouldnt be an issue.

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Final trailer

Ok, definitely NX-01?


Hama wrote:

Final trailer

Ok, definitely NX-01?

Looked like it.

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Friend seen it. Says it is not. :( That makes Hama sad.


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Freehold cannot wait for this film.

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Oh no!

Freehold's been possessed by Bob Dole!

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I'm seeing it this weekend


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Friend seen it. Says it is not. :( That makes Hama sad.

Too bad, that would have been symmetry. Any way, there's a new Star Trek RPG announced by Modiphius using their 2d20 system. Called Star trek Adventures, it covers everything but the new movies with a summer 2017 release. Should be interesting. I'll probably wait a week before seeing Beyond; it's opening weekend tomorrow and it'll probably be crowded. Well, no probably, it will be crowded...

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Freehold DM wrote:
Freehold cannot wait for this film.

We need Joss Whedon to take over Star Trek, just for your benefit.

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Krensky wrote:


...when drink on polywater Sulu the musketeer was treating Uhura like a damsel in distress...

Aside: this scene gave rise to my favorite line of dialogue in the entire 3 seasons.

SULU (grabbing Uhura) : Aha, fair maiden.
UHURA (extricating herself): Sorry; neither.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Aside: this scene gave rise to my favorite line of dialogue in the entire 3 seasons.

SULU (grabbing Uhura) : Aha, fair maiden.
UHURA (extricating herself): Sorry; neither.

Wow, I did not notice that! Hilariously cheeky (for the time period)!


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thejeff wrote:
It is still only going to be available on CBS's pay platform, right?

In the USA, yes. Space gets it in Canada and the rest of the world will get it on Netflix.

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Given the box office numbers that isn't likely. It is far more likely that they will continue to milk their cash cow in its current form.

The box office numbers for the new TREK films have been well below Paramount's expectations. They wanted to build up to a $1 billion franchise to go up against the Marvel movies and the STAR WARS films, and the fact they've not even gotten to half that took them by surprise. They dialled things up for INTO DARKNESS and that didn't work either, hence a budget cut for BEYOND.

Both of the previous films made profits, but it was a near thing (especially for INTO DARKNESS). BEYOND is opening at a lower ebb than either of the previous movies and has serious blockbuster competition with SUICIDE SQUAD, so it's questionable how successful it's going to be. At the moment it's Abrams's star power and Paramount's lack of an alternative franchise which is keeping talk of a fourth film alive, and if BEYOND is another modest success I can see Paramount either retooling altogether or only doing the fourth film if Abrams returns to direct.

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Still waiting for a 'Starfleet Academy' or 'Starfleet Command' series or something, taking up in ye olde continuity after DS9 and Voyager and continuing in the setting with a new cast and crew, and maybe the occasional cameo by an older character. (And ignoring the movie Trek reboot universe entirely.)

Is it too much to ask to see some Cardassians and Andorians and Borg again? And 100% less Beastie Boys?

The new TV series will be set in the Prime Continuity after DS9/VOYAGER/TNG (the anthology thing turned out to be a rumour, as did the idea it'd be set between ST6 and TNG). Bryan Fuller said they have the ability to bring back some of the characters and actors from those shows, which isn't possible if it's a fresh reboot or set in the Abramsverse (and CBS doesn't have the rights to the Abramsverse, unless they bought them behind the scenes which doesn't seem likely).

My take on the new film:

It's a very good film, blowing the other two Abrams pictures out of the water and comparing favourably to many of the older ones. It makes a lot of very clever choices which recall the older, slower-paced films whilst also delivering enough explosions and action beats to satisfy the modern casual cinema-goer. The two styles don't entirely mesh, but they do a pretty good job of it.

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The USS Enterprise is three years into its five-year mission exploring deep space. However, Captain James T. Kirk is feeling boredom settling in. The mission consists of a lot more diplomatic work and less boldly exploring the frontier than he was expecting. Whilst docked at the massive Starbase Yorktown, the Enterprise receives a distress call from the heart of a nearby, mysterious nebula. Kirk sets out, eager to see something new...only to get a lot more than he bargained for.

When J.J. Abrams rebooted Star Trek in 2009, he assembled an absolutely killer cast. Replicating the chemistry of the original crew was a tall order, but he somehow achieved it with the likable - if massively flawed - first reboot film. It was also pretty much the only thing holding together the appalling sequel, Into Darkness, in 2013. The diabolical quality of that movie lowered expectations for this third entry in the new series, especially when it was announced that Simon Pegg would be writing the script and Justin Lin would be directing.

To some degree that was counter-intuitive, given Pegg's geek credentials and his strong writing experience (especially on the Spaced TV series and his collaborations with Edgar Wright). But Pegg's recent writing work has been patchy and Justin Lin is best known for the Fast and Furious franchise, not known for its thoughtful exploration of the unknown. Fans may have been a little too quick to judge there: not only is Lin a massive Star Trek fan from his chilldhood but his F&F movies transitioned quite cleverly from just dumb action movies into actions movies with a strong sense of character interplay, family and heart.

These sensibilities come into full force on Star Trek Beyond. Lin delivers explosions, impressive stunts and some great action set-pieces - and unlike the two previous movies, most of these are well-shot and comprehensible - but he also delivers on bringing the characters together and driving them apart and finding out what makes them tick as individuals and as a group. He is well-served by Simon Pegg's script (helped out by Doug Jung), the writer relishing his chance to finally write an all-out science fiction blockbuster and delivering. Pegg, like Abrams, is known to be a Star Wars fan much more than a Star Trek one, but whilst Abrams ill-advisedly set about trying to turn Trek into Wars, Pegg has actually sat down and worked out what makes Star Trek different and brought those elements into the script. For example, fans were bemused by the near-total lack of any decent Spock/McCoy banter in the Abrams movies but here get an entire, fairly substantial subplot focused on the two characters which works extremely well. Zoe Saldana's Uhura also gets a great (if a little brief) storyline as she gets under the skin of main villain Kraal (Idris Elba under heavy makeup) and tries to find out what makes him tick. Anton Yelchin's Chekov gets a fair few action scenes, so of the main cast it's only John Cho's Sulu that gets short shrift. And even he still gets to command the Enterprise, lead a prison break and is given the most personal stakes in the final showdown (nicely underplayed, as well).

Star Trek Beyond in fact tries to do something that is very clever: it goes for the all-out CG blockbuster stuff but then suddenly reins it in and goes for unexpected restraint. A lengthy (and slightly nonsensical) CGI space battle turns into a low-tech, far more relatable struggle on the surface of a planet. A major CG fest of phasers and spaceships in the finale gives way to that greatest of Star Trek staples: Kirk and the villain facing off with just their fists, but done in a near-zero gravity environment against a dizzying backdrop (if you suffer from strong vertigo, I would advise against seeing this film in 3D). The movie also sacrifices the shining Apple-influenced hallways and bridge of the Enterprise for a more primitive NX-class starship (cue the Star Trek: Enterprise fans cheering, although it's not that one) and brings back a genuine sense of wonder to the graphic design. Starbase Yorktown is a jaw-dropping creation, a multi-sided city floating in what is effectively a snowglobe, evoking not just previous Star Trek designs but also the Citadel of the Mass Effect trilogy.

The film also remembers it's the 50th anniversary year and uses the recent death of Leonard Nimoy to pay homage to that: young Spock learning of the passing of his older, other-dimensional self and then discovering a box of his possessions allows the movie to tip its hat at what came before in a surprisingly effective move which informs Spock's excellent character development throughout the rest of the movie. Zachary Quinto has less to do than in either of Beyond's two predecessors but his character arc is considerably more satisfying, emotional and, as some may say, logical.

New characters are surprisingly thin on the ground. The villain Kraal is well-played by Elba, but for most of the film lacks decent motivation. The finale finally explains who he is and what he wants, and it's a great moment, but comes rather late in the day. Still, Elba's villain satisfies far more than either Benedict Cumberbatch-trying-to-be-Ricardo-Montalban or Eric Bana's way too expositionary and over-explained Nero. Also impressive is Sofia Boutella as Jaylah, a native of the new planet who quickly becomes a key ally of Scotty (and later the rest of the gang). Boutella gives Jaylah just the right mix of badass warrior and slightly overwhelmed local girl, and her fascination with science and engineering plays well into the finale. I hope we see her back in the next film (if there is one; Beyond's opening numbers are looking a bit iffy at the moment). Shohreh Aghdashloo also gets a memorable cameo as a Federation commodore, a pick-up shot to help with exposition and sell Kirk's motivations a bit better. Given it was a late addition to the film, I do wonder if Lin and Pegg had seen her in The Expanse (or, more likely, the trailers) and decided to borrow her authoritative space leader charisma for their movie. In that case, good job.

It's not all a glorious bed of roses, though. There's a fairly obvious plot hole in why Kraal decides to stay on his rubbish planet long after he managed to take control of a swarm of warp-capable spacecraft which could have taken him anywhere he wanted in the galaxy. The Beastie Boys return to the soundtrack for a very well-explained (indeed, somewhat oversold) reason but it still feels out of place, and Star Trek Beyond tries to get a lot of mileage out of a joke that was a toss-off in a 1965 episode of Doctor Who (modern rock music is described as "classical music" by people in the future...BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE FUTURE!). Kirk also gets to ride a motorbike because, hell, why not?.

But ultimately, Star Trek Beyond (****½) brings a surprising amount of heart to proceedings, doesn't entirely neglect the brain, engages in some great characterisation and team interplay, pays homage to its departed castmembers in a genuinely moving way (a toast to "departed friends" gains tremendous pathos during Anton Yelchin's reaction shot) and features Kirk punching an alien in the face, McCoy and Spock bickering like an old married couple, Scotty pulling off an engineering miracle, Sulu pulling off an insane piloting maneuver, Uhura figuring out how to communicate with an alien species (also: best depiction of the universal translator ever), and Chekov explaining how Russia invented everything, including Scotch. It is, inarguably, the best Star Trek movie in twenty years, since First Contact, and may even (much more arguably) be the best in twenty-five, since The Undiscovered Country. The film is on general release now.

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I have seen the movie yesterday in germany and it is the weekest of all Star Trek movies.

The 3D and visuals are the only superb things.

Two thirds are so dark that you can barely see what happens, only the bright scenes are good.

The jokes are ok, but a bit too much.
The Villain is super-lame and the whole cast is on auto-pilot, everything has been done before, seen before.

The science is totally illogical (even for the reboot trilogy) and the plot has more holes than the Enterprise.

It is still entertaining, but only mediocre.

6,5/10


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Just saw this about an hour ago.

So I think that it's the best of the JJ Abrahams produced films, in that it feels very much like big budget episode of the original series. The character work here is the least broad and the best of the series as well. Especially from Chris Pine early on.

The negative is that the action is too fast and incomprehensible. A lot of stuff shot in darkness or near darkness that was too hard to make out what was going on. Didn't see it in 3D and saw it in a theater where the screen and the projection are usually top notch so I know that it wasn't the environment.

The Times Square theater that I saw it in (9:00pm show) wasnt even HALF full.

That's not good.I hope that's not indicative of how it's performing elsewhere because aside from the poorly shot action set pieces I really kinda liked this movie.

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Werthead wrote:
At the moment it's Abrams's star power and Paramount's lack of an alternative franchise which is keeping talk of a fourth film alive, and if BEYOND is another modest success I can see Paramount either retooling altogether or only doing the fourth film if Abrams returns to direct.
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God, I hope they dont bring back JJ.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Freehold cannot wait for this film.
We need Joss Whedon to take over Star Trek, just for your benefit.

Don't even joke.

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SO. Seen the film. Enjoyed it a lot. Didn't wow me.

I loved that it focused much more on the entire bridge crew and their relationships than the action.

Elba was really underwhelming as a villain.

Also I am kind of pissed that

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they screwed up the ships. After all, the ship they get out on is the "first warp 4 capable vessel with a ship insignia NX 500 something. Which is impossible, because NX-01 Enterprise was the first Warp 5 capable vessel. And it was FREAKING FIRST OF THE NX class".

See it in the movies it's good.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Freehold cannot wait for this film.
We need Joss Whedon to take over Star Trek, just for your benefit.
Don't even joke.

Or even......Star Wars, in a film that's a long love letter to the Y-Wing.

I bet this will be the result.


I saw it. I actually liked 1 & 2 (of the reboot, so Into Darkness is #2 in this counting) better. Of course, I liked Into Darkness where as some didn't.

It wasn't boring, the action kept coming, but something just seemed...missing. I think that's the best way to put it.

I think part of it was

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The villain's motivation really seemed lacking. It didn't seem like al that plausible, and as someone brought up above, if he had the ships that he had in the movie, why the heck did he stay on the planet which he hated. It would make more sense for him to have left. It turns out that he wants to destroy things, just because he want's to destroy things with no better movitivation. It's a senseless villain that isn't even true to the background information they give the villain in the movie!

Anyways, the other disappointing thing I saw was

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Sulu is supposedly Gay. The movie doesn't make this actually all that obvious. What made me rather irate was that they had to use another oriental to be his companion. WHY? If it was meant as a homage to Takei, it should have been someone who was European in background. Even moreso, they could have made it obvious with someone of a different background, or even different creature!

Instead, what we see could have been someone who was his brother, his cousin, or some other individual which he just happened to be really close to or good friends with. It is slight in what they show, and the way they did it makes it so it could actually be passed off as a bunch of other items instead.

They see each other after a long absence (three years I suppose) and what do they do, they hug, and then take off with their arms on each other's back. Not exactly a couple that hasn't seen each other for ages type thing...more like what siblings do. Couples would be endless kisses and barely containing themselves from being all over each other in public...

Just my take though.

I did like some of the homage to the original series that they had through out the movie.

It's an okay movie, but not one I'd say is as outstanding as the first one or other great movies out there.

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I saw it. I actually liked 1 & 2 (of the reboot, so Into Darkness is #2 in this counting) better. Of course, I liked Into Darkness where as some didn't.

It wasn't boring, the action kept coming, but something just seemed...missing. I think that's the best way to put it.

I think part of it was

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Anyways, the other disappointing thing I saw was

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I did like some of the homage to the...

John Cho actually pushed for Sulu's husband to be Asian.

"Originally we weren't even sure if the husband was going to be human," Cho said. "When I thought about it, I wanted two things: I wanted the parents to look as traditional as possible. And because he was gay, the Asian and Asian thing would ironically be super radical."
The choice, Cho said, was partially intended as a "valentine" to a gay friend he had growing up.
"I always felt it was harder being gay and Asian than any other combination. I thought the cultural stigma was the thickest on the Asian boys I knew," Cho said. "It would be appropriate that in the future it would look very much like what we tend to see in heterosexual families. It's kind of inside baseball, but that was important to me.

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And it was a beautifully understated scene.

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Interesting enough, George Tekai did not like the idea of Sulu being gay and has spoken out against it quite a bit.


The ship reminds me more of a Klingon bird of prey or at least a hybrid of there ship and Starfleet's.

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Marc Radle wrote:
Interesting enough, George Tekai did not like the idea of Sulu being gay and has spoken out against it quite a bit.

And Simon Pegg had a wonderful rebuttal to that.


I am debating seeing this. Okay, I thought the first Abrams Trek movie was just okay, but at least better than Nemesis. I absolutely hated Into Darkness as it was a big dumb flashy action movie where the characters kept contradicting themselves, they ignored the timeline prior to the temporal incursion in the previous movie, and nothing really made sense when you actually pay attention to things like character development and story. I am more about the substance, not the flashiness. Big fight scenes have no purpose if they feel tacked on and don't fit the characters. So tell me, does this movie deserve my money or is it just another summer schlock big dumb action movie, or is it more cerebral like the series and older movies, where they actually cared about making sure the plot works and the characters make sense?


Jaçinto wrote:
I am debating seeing this. Okay, I thought the first Abrams Trek movie was just okay, but at least better than Nemesis. I absolutely hated Into Darkness as it was a big dumb flashy action movie where the characters kept contradicting themselves, they ignored the timeline prior to the temporal incursion in the previous movie, and nothing really made sense when you actually pay attention to things like character development and story. I am more about the substance, not the flashiness. Big fight scenes have no purpose if they feel tacked on and don't fit the characters. So tell me, does this movie deserve my money or is it just another summer schlock big dumb action movie, or is it more cerebral like the series and older movies, where they actually cared about making sure the plot works and the characters make sense?

Reviews have been good - don't know about fan reaction though.

I enjoyed the first, and didn't bother with the second once I heard they were trying to redo Khan. Wrath of Khan is as close to a perfect Star Trek film as one is going to get, any attempt to delve into that theme was doomed from the start, and that's before you add in the magical blood.

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