Rage Monk


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I keep trying to escape from the idea of a rage monk, but I keep circling back to it.

I want it to be a crit-fishing scimitar flurrying monster

I know the simplest way to achieve this objective is a Weapon adept UnMonk VMC UnBarbarian, but I see the feats "meant" for the Warpriest and I want them. Bringing me to a Cleric 1/Weapon Adept UnMonk VMC UnBarbarian build (probably the best option), but it leaves a funny taste and although gets everything I want for the build it just doesn't feel right.

Another idea I've been looking at is a Weapon Adept UnMonk VMC Cleric with the Rage Domain or Anger Inquisition except it doesn't get everything I want until level 17.

Built off similar concepts a more obscure option I've been toying with is a Sanctified Slayer VMC Cleric with the Anger Inquisition and the Rage Domains. "Holy man" = Monk, Two-weapon Fighting = Flurry of Blows, Sneak Attack = crit-fishing, and lots of Rage.

Does anyone have better suggestions or a convincing argument why I should concede and give up on this endeavor?


A level in bloodrager grants bloodrage, mechanically identical to rage and no alignment restrictions.


One thing many forget is that you can fall out from Lawful without losing Monk powers, you only can't take more levels until you became Lawful again.

So you can start as Monk for all the needed levels, then become Chaotic and take Barbarian levels


Bloodrager 1/ Sacred Fist of Sarenrae.

Fate's Favored trait + swift-action Divine Favor.

Weapon Focus Scimitar, Crusader's Flurry, Power Attack; Extra Rage, Extra Rage...

Grayflame Weapon?


BadBird wrote:

Bloodrager 1/ Sacred Fist of Sarenrae.

Fate's Favored trait + swift-action Divine Favor.

Weapon Focus Scimitar, Crusader's Flurry, Power Attack; Extra Rage, Extra Rage...

Grayflame Weapon?

I'm embarrassed to admit I hadn't considered this. It's a little more defensive than what I had in mind. It's nearly perfect except worshippers of Sarenae can't cast Ki Leach, defeating my desire to crit-fish

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depending on what parts of monk you want you could also take the new aesthetic style feat chain.


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There's an archetype for a raging monk in the Thunderscape: World of Aden book.


Just go martial artist, no alignment restrictment and the immunity to fatigue it gets you lets you rage cycle, which could be handy if you look at the unchained barbarian's new rules for the temporary hit points you receive. I've just started working on the mentioned build myself.


Tayse wrote:
but I see the feats "meant" for the Warpriest...

What feats are you talking about?


Christopher Van Horn wrote:
depending on what parts of monk you want you could also take the new aesthetic style feat chain.

What book is that in?

ericthecleric wrote:
There's an archetype for a raging monk in the Thunderscape: World of Aden book.

I think I have that book, I'll have to look it up. I liked the concept of that setting, but something about the art or the races just made me mad and I couldn't read it.

Josh-o-Lantern wrote:
Tayse wrote:
but I see the feats "meant" for the Warpriest...
What feats are you talking about?

I probably should have said sacred fist specifically

Guided hand, Crusader's flurry, and Ki channel


Aasimar have a trait they can take(the one kind you can get from the Additional Traits feat) that lets them be Neutral Monks.

Variant Multiclassing has no alignment restrictions for barbarian, so you can be a Monk that way too. Don't play a Barbarian and variant multiclass monk. The Monk VMC is terrible.

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You could be a single class mutagenic mauler brawler, and have your "rage" be mutagen based, similar to Thippledorf Pwent.


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Also, remember that an ex-Monk keeps all his Monk class abilities and only loses the ability to take further levels as Monk. So you could start with however many Monk levels you want to take and then just stop being Lawful and start taking levels in Barb.

Lastly, there's a mythic ability Beyond Morality that lets you completely chuck the whole alignment system; you could be a Paladin/Barbarian/Druid if you so desired.


Tayse wrote:
BadBird wrote:

Bloodrager 1/ Sacred Fist of Sarenrae.

Fate's Favored trait + swift-action Divine Favor.

Weapon Focus Scimitar, Crusader's Flurry, Power Attack; Extra Rage, Extra Rage...

Grayflame Weapon?

I'm embarrassed to admit I hadn't considered this. It's a little more defensive than what I had in mind. It's nearly perfect except worshippers of Sarenae can't cast Ki Leach, defeating my desire to crit-fish

Besmara and rapier?

Crit-fishing for Ki is a nuisance to set up anyhow. If you start with good split abilities like 16/18, 12, 14, 10, 14/16, 8, and buy a headband, you've got at least a half-dozen ki attacks per day when you really want them. A Sacred Fist doesn't really need ki for anything else, and they spam two-handed power attack flurry strikes like mad anyways.

You can also ignore ki altogether and create a battle Cleric of Gorum or Ragathiel with the Anger Inquisition, good split abilities and a level of Unchained Monk. Full two-handed-strength and no-attack-penalty rage flurry with a greatsword or bastard sword, and pretty much full Cleric buffing, including Divine Power for another extra attack. You can even branch into things like Mirror Image with Separatist Cleric.


Azten wrote:

Aasimar have a trait they can take(the one kind you can get from the Additional Traits feat) that lets them be Neutral Monks.

Variant Multiclassing has no alignment restrictions for barbarian, so you can be a Monk that way too. Don't play a Barbarian and variant multiclass monk. The Monk VMC is terrible.

They should completely overhaul the monk and gunslinger vmcs those are embarrassingly bad

BadBird wrote:
Tayse wrote:
BadBird wrote:

Bloodrager 1/ Sacred Fist of Sarenrae.

Fate's Favored trait + swift-action Divine Favor.

Weapon Focus Scimitar, Crusader's Flurry, Power Attack; Extra Rage, Extra Rage...

Grayflame Weapon?

I'm embarrassed to admit I hadn't considered this. It's a little more defensive than what I had in mind. It's nearly perfect except worshippers of Sarenae can't cast Ki Leach, defeating my desire to crit-fish

Besmara and rapier?

Crit-fishing for Ki is a nuisance to set up anyhow. If you start with good split abilities like 16/18, 12, 14, 10, 14/16, 8, and buy a headband, you've got at least a half-dozen ki attacks per day when you really want them. A Sacred Fist doesn't really need ki for anything else, and they spam two-handed power attack flurry strikes like mad anyways.
You can also ignore ki altogether and create a battle Cleric of Gorum or Ragathiel with the Anger Inquisition, good split abilities and a level of Unchained Monk. Full two-handed-strength and no-attack-penalty rage flurry with a greatsword or bastard sword, and pretty much full Cleric buffing, including Divine Power for another extra attack. You can even branch into things like Mirror Image with Separatist Cleric.

I can't imagine a raging pirate "monk"... Why do clerics get to be and do everything fun?


Christopher Van Horn wrote:
depending on what parts of monk you want you could also take the new aesthetic style feat chain.

Wow the ascetic feat chain has highjacked my brainstorming putting the rage monk on the back burner


If the idea behind Ki Leech is to refresh your Ki Pool, could you not do the same thing with the Warpriest (Sacred Fist) by using Channel Energy + Ki Channel?

Scarab Sages

Falxu wrote:
If the idea behind Ki Leech is to refresh your Ki Pool, could you not do the same thing with the Warpriest (Sacred Fist) by using Channel Energy + Ki Channel?

You can, but then you are limited to worshipping irori, and you are using two uses of fervor to regain a very small number of ki. You would be better off just using fervor to swift cast buff spells.


Imbicatus wrote:
Falxu wrote:
If the idea behind Ki Leech is to refresh your Ki Pool, could you not do the same thing with the Warpriest (Sacred Fist) by using Channel Energy + Ki Channel?
You can, but then you are limited to worshipping irori, and you are using two uses of fervor to regain a very small number of ki. You would be better off just using fervor to swift cast buff spells.

I forget Ki channel is diety specific. Stupid nouns and intellectual property.

I feel ki leach with an keen scimitar refuels the ki pool better.

On a side note does anyone know how horn of the criosphinx and the ascetic style feats interact?
And does that weapon have to be a two handed weapon or can it be a one handed weapon held in 2 hands?


Horn of the Criosphinx doesn't work with ascetic style feat, ascetic style feat says things that apply to unarmed strikes apply to weapon. HofC says.
"A monk can use this feat as long as he is wielding a two-handed weapon or both his hands are empty.
A monk can take any of these feats as bonus feats at the indicated levels. To benefit from the feats, monks must have both hands free and capable of delivering an unarmed strike."
nothing about this feat working with unarmed strikes specifically. Also you'd still need your hands free.

Scarab Sages

Of course, there are plenty of two-handed monk weapons. The Sansetsukon, Seven-Branched Sword, or even the humble quarterstaff.


There's a 3rd party race from Dreamscarred Press called a Maenad that has a racial trait that lets them be Lawful Barbarians


logan grayble wrote:
There's a 3rd party race from Dreamscarred Press called a Maenad that has a racial trait that lets them be Lawful Barbarians

I remember a time long ago when the Maenad weren't a 3rd party race

Chess Pwn wrote:

Horn of the Criosphinx doesn't work with ascetic style feat, ascetic style feat says things that apply to unarmed strikes apply to weapon. HofC says.

"A monk can use this feat as long as he is wielding a two-handed weapon or both his hands are empty.
A monk can take any of these feats as bonus feats at the indicated levels. To benefit from the feats, monks must have both hands free and capable of delivering an unarmed strike."
nothing about this feat working with unarmed strikes specifically. Also you'd still need your hands free.

I was hoping the unarmed strike clause in HotC created a magical loophole override for the Ascetic feat chain. *sad face* oh well I knew it was wishful thinking.


There's an item that converts channels into ki. Meditation Crystal. There's also a Bronze Gong that is for Irori only.

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