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Scarab Sages

I just had a thought: Vampires "cannot tolerate the strong odor of garlic and will not enter an area laced with it."

Could you protect yourself from a vampire attack by using prestidigitation to flavor yourself like garlic? I don't see why not!


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I don't think prestidigitation allows permanently altering creatures (or yourself), but if I were the GM in this situation, I'd allow an overwhelming garlic odor for number of minutes equal to your caster level.

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That depends on the way you look at it.

1. Should you be able to ward of a vampire with a cantrip?
2. Should you be able to use a cantrip as a substitute for a vegetable?

I'm guessing no on the first, yes on the second. It might depend on the GM and if he wants to run a resources based game or not.

Scarab Sages

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I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Liberty's Edge

Per the spell description, Prestidigitation can flavor up to one pound of nonliving material for one hour.
So you could maybe make your shirt garlic-flavored.


Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

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I would have a chuckle at the creativity if I was on the receiving end as GM, but at the end of the day if prestidigitation could protect you from vampires then every adept in Ustalav would have a village's worth of guests every night :P

I'd give a bit of flavour to the encounter (pun 100% intended) because of the effect, but from a mechanical point of view probably rule that the cantrip can't produce a strong enough smell to deter a vampire in any meaningful way.

If I was feeling particularly vindictive, I may even have the vamp in question single out the caster for their insolence :D


So, what happens if you cast Prestidigitation to make the Vampire's nose smell of garlic?

Scarab Sages

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Rynjin wrote:

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

I'd forgotten the "nonliving" clause.

Yes, that is an amusing loophole, Rynjin.

Scarab Sages

I would say it works, but not as a single action. You could affect multiple objects in an area, though.


Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

For clarification this is the part of the spell's description Rynjin is referring to and why this trick explicitly does not work:

Prestidigation wrote:
It can chill, warm, or flavor 1 pound of nonliving material.


How much does a small collar or scarf weigh?


What about major image? That creates smells.


Arachnofiend wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

For clarification this is the part of the spell's description Rynjin is referring to and why this trick explicitly does not work:

Prestidigation wrote:
It can chill, warm, or flavor 1 pound of nonliving material.

I can't remember. Are teeth considered to be alive? It would be under the wight limit.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Rynjin wrote:

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

I'd forgotten the "nonliving" clause.

Yes, that is an amusing loophole, Rynjin.

Wellll..... the outermost layer of anyone's skin is composed of dead cells, so technically...

A. Non-living
and
B. Even all the dead cells together probably weigh less than 1 pound.

But either way, I'd have to give any player coming up with this an 'A' for effort!


This thread has some good ideas, but keep in mind vampires can make Will saves against garlic:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/vampire wrote:
Weaknesses: Vampires cannot tolerate the strong odor of garlic and will not enter an area laced with it. Similarly, they recoil from mirrors or strongly presented holy symbols. These things don't harm the vampire—they merely keep it at bay. A recoiling vampire must stay at least 5 feet away from the mirror or holy symbol and cannot touch or make melee attacks against that creature. Holding a vampire at bay takes a standard action. After 1 round, a vampire can overcome its revulsion of the object and function normally each round it makes a DC 25 Will save.

And even if they fail, they can throw / shoot things at you, use their summons or dominate you. Garlic against vampires is like fire immunity against a red dragon - it helps, but doesn't guarantee victory.


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One pound of air is a approximately 13 cubic feet. That should be enough to drive a vampire away and is certainly nonliving material.


The question is, does the flavour effect of Prestidigitation also affect the smell? And if it does, can it produce a scent strong enough to repel vampires? Seems kinda unlikely


The vast majority of taste is smell.


But it won't save you from an archer vampire.

Scarab Sages

I never said anything about "guaranteeing" victory - mainly just keeping them from getting in there and sucking your blood.


Fair enough.

Pathfinder vampire rules are clunky and ambiguous- Vampires are better in a horror-type system.

Technically, there's nothing that says a vampire will leave an area laced with garlic, it only says that they won't enter.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

I just had a thought: Vampires "cannot tolerate the strong odor of garlic and will not enter an area laced with it."

Could you protect yourself from a vampire attack by using prestidigitation to flavor yourself like garlic? I don't see why not!

Nope. Making "you" smell like garlic is not lacing an area with garlic. At best you might be able to stop them from attacking you for a limited time most likely if a GM was generous.


wraithstrike wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

I just had a thought: Vampires "cannot tolerate the strong odor of garlic and will not enter an area laced with it."

Could you protect yourself from a vampire attack by using prestidigitation to flavor yourself like garlic? I don't see why not!

Nope. Making "you" smell like garlic is not lacing an area with garlic. At best you might be able to stop them from attacking you for a limited time most likely if a GM was generous.

But if you're GM was a fan of the silly...


the David wrote:

That depends on the way you look at it.

1. Should you be able to ward of a vampire with a cantrip?
2. Should you be able to use a cantrip as a substitute for a vegetable?

I'm guessing no on the first, yes on the second. It might depend on the GM and if he wants to run a resources based game or not.

Well, they let pizza serve as a substitute for a vegetable, and both of that and the cantrip mostly just add 'real flavoring TM' onto cardboard.


Goddity wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

I just had a thought: Vampires "cannot tolerate the strong odor of garlic and will not enter an area laced with it."

Could you protect yourself from a vampire attack by using prestidigitation to flavor yourself like garlic? I don't see why not!

Nope. Making "you" smell like garlic is not lacing an area with garlic. At best you might be able to stop them from attacking you for a limited time most likely if a GM was generous.
But if you're GM was a fan of the silly...

If the GM is less of a "rules guy" then yeah I can see this working. The game is assuming real garlic, so this is really outside of the rules especially since cantrips are not supposed to be powerful, and a spell that can keep a vampire at bay would be above level 0. :)


Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

New plan: I cast it on the vampire.

I would say prestidigitation would make a weaker garlic smell—a DC 15 Will save instead of DC 25, and only protecting a single individual. Remember, guys, garlic costs about 1 cp from a typical farmers' market. Ustalavan adepts aren't gonna be half as busy as the Ustalavan vegetable peddlers. :P


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I'd allow it. I like to incentivise anything other than 'can I have a pointed stick?' (which is my table's usual vampire joke).


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

New plan: I cast it on the vampire.

I would say prestidigitation would make a weaker garlic smell—a DC 15 Will save instead of DC 25, and only protecting a single individual. Remember, guys, garlic costs about 1 cp from a typical farmers' market. Ustalavan adepts aren't gonna be half as busy as the Ustalavan vegetable peddlers. :P

Vampires weigh more than one pound, I think. Even a halfling vampire would be 25 pounds..the next size category down would be about 3? And no half-flavouring a vampire. It's just wrong.

Although this might work on a diminutive or smaller vampire. Because those are a thing, right?


Tremble at their illogical glory!


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Qaianna wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

New plan: I cast it on the vampire.

I would say prestidigitation would make a weaker garlic smell—a DC 15 Will save instead of DC 25, and only protecting a single individual. Remember, guys, garlic costs about 1 cp from a typical farmers' market. Ustalavan adepts aren't gonna be half as busy as the Ustalavan vegetable peddlers. :P

Vampires weigh more than one pound, I think. Even a halfling vampire would be 25 pounds..the next size category down would be about 3? And no half-flavouring a vampire. It's just wrong.

Although this might work on a diminutive or smaller vampire. Because those are a thing, right?

This is the reason why there are no fairy vampires: They were eradicated by 1st level wizards practicing their culinary spells long ago.


Steve Geddes wrote:
I'd allow it. I like to incentivise anything other than 'can I have a pointed stick?' (which is my table's usual vampire joke).

I think there are better ways to do that than allowing a cantrip to neutralize a CR 9 encounter, though. Casters are strong enough already, don't need to be giving them no-save turn undead for free.


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I don't think the encounter is neutralised, personally.

I think it would have limited effect beyond delaying it's entry into a protected area. I don't read it as saying he has to leave the room - nor is he really affected in any way other than not being able to melee attack the caster for a few rounds.


Prestidigitation never says it is capable of creating illusory smells, so no, it cannot create the smell of garlic.

It can make something TASTE like garlic, but the vampire rules specifically say they are offput but the smell, not the taste.

otherwise I would have said yes, though. It does what it does! And that would be not remotely overpowered anyway, since it would be accomplishing nothing other than to tide you over until such time as you could obtain actual garlic, available... virtually everywhere, for like 1 copper.


Qaianna wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
I'd give the vamp a will save to realize the garlic isn't real.

Prestidigitation isn't an Illusion spell, it's Universal. The flavor would be real...

...If you could flavor yourself, which you can't, because you're alive.

Though amusingly if you were also a vampire, THEN you could make yourself taste of garlic.

New plan: I cast it on the vampire.

I would say prestidigitation would make a weaker garlic smell—a DC 15 Will save instead of DC 25, and only protecting a single individual. Remember, guys, garlic costs about 1 cp from a typical farmers' market. Ustalavan adepts aren't gonna be half as busy as the Ustalavan vegetable peddlers. :P

Vampires weigh more than one pound, I think. Even a halfling vampire would be 25 pounds..the next size category down would be about 3? And no half-flavouring a vampire. It's just wrong.

Although this might work on a diminutive or smaller vampire. Because those are a thing, right?

They should be a thing. A pack of diminutive vampires sounds awesome!


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Gisher wrote:
They should be a thing. A pack of diminutive vampires sounds awesome!

Vampiric Rat Swarm?

Scarab Sages

GM Hands of Fate wrote:
Gisher wrote:
They should be a thing. A pack of diminutive vampires sounds awesome!
Vampiric Rat Swarm?

Even better: Vampire Toads!

PC: "But-but-but...toads don't have any teeth!"

DM: "Somehow it doesn't matter! HAHAHAHA!"


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PLATYPUS VAMPIRE!!! That is all.

Silver Crusade

GM Hands of Fate wrote:
Gisher wrote:
They should be a thing. A pack of diminutive vampires sounds awesome!
Vampiric Rat Swarm?

Vampiric Humming Birds of Doom?

Scarab Sages

Vampire leeches: They, um...put blood back into you???

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Shard Webber wrote:
I would have a chuckle at the creativity if I was on the receiving end as GM, but at the end of the day if prestidigitation could protect you from vampires then every adept in Ustalav would have a village's worth of guests every night :P

Or they could just use... garlic. It's not exactly a rare and precious commodity after all.


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In Ustalav vampires probably compare garlics the way some people compare chili peppers. Smearing garlic on yourself is for them like limping is to a wolf.

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