Broken Token Game Organizer


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Does anyone else use the Broken Token game organizer?

I'm not sure what subforum to put this in. I'm really happy with it. It looks like it will hold all of our RotR cards in separate divisions while sleeved!

My only complaint is sometimes the inserts won't stay locked into position, they are a bit too narrow. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution? I was thinking about gluing to adjacent onces together so they will reinforce one another but I'm amis right now. At least until I have all 6 sets sleeved.


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I used this organizer for both RotR and S&S. I am entirely satisfied with it. I haven't used it for Wrath only because I haven't sleeved that set yet.

Someone suggested slipping index cards between the outside of the organizer and the inside of the box to make the lanes tighter. This works for me.


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I use it (and love it). And I think you'll find a fair number of people do. I have the original version, where the dice tray is in the left most "wide lane". The new version I think has the dice tray in the narrow lane. The only lane I've had any issues with the movable inserts not staying in place is actually the narrow lane. In he original version, the character deck holders were fixed in place. Maybe that held the wider lanes tighter together?

One thing you could do is add tension between the lanes dividers. Some tape would do this. Something like Gorilla Tape would probably be best. The sticky side would be up, so just put another piece of tape or paper across the top to cover the residue so it doesn't stick to your cards.


Thanks for the suggestions 2-3 of my 4 lanes work really well as well as the character deck slots.

I'm pondering just putting adventure packs 1-6 the last lane to be distributed when we get to them, this puts off the problem for a while at least. :)


I was having a similar issue with my far left lane. Kept losing my monsters and locations stack. Someone had recommended newspaper. Through a grocery add in there and have not had any issues since. Hope this helps. Love the insert.


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I have a Broken Token insert, the current version with the character decks in a narrow lane on the side. I ended up taping the corners and putting a little padding on the side farthest from the character decks to keep the middle dividers from slipping out. Originally I thought about gluing an insert into the middle of that one lane, but the padding seems to work well enough.

I think I'd give up the ability to use dividers in adjacent lanes for ones that were less likely to slip out, but it's not a big problem.

This thread also talks about working with these inserts: Broken Token Query.


Anyone have the Artist Case insert version?

Liberty's Edge

I have used the original broken token insert, and am currently using the go7gaming artist case insert for WotR.

Because of the issues listed with the fit/lanes with the BT version, I've liked the artist case version a LOT. I think that has more to do with the artist case and the "hard support" as opposed to the more flexible 'box' (rather than an a a BT vs go7 question).


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I used the original insert for RotR and was quite happy with it. I got the newer insert for WotR and while I like the layout more, I did have issues with the dividers not staying in place in the far left lane (monsters/location/support cards/etc lane). After a bit of masking tape and shoving some folded up paper in the box, I'm quite happy with it. I think the box for WotR may be a millimeter or two larger than the one from RotR, but I haven't bothered to measure.

On the artist case insert, is there a place to buy a case that it fits into other than HL? Every time I see someone talking about it they say that you can get the case from HL, but I'd rather pick it up somewhere else.


Long story short I had contacted Broken Token about this earlier in the day. They are shipping me a stationary long divide that should solve the issue free of charge, what great customer service. I've always liked their inserts for other games now I'm sold on them for a long time!


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I've purchased three of them - one for each set - and am disappointed. The corners of two of the three don't stay connected, so I'm going to have to glue them together or deal with an unusable row.


I own three of the PACG sets. One was a bit on the loose side and required gluing to keep it together (my previous tape job worked well too.)

I was impressed enough with how much easier it made playing PACG that I purchased inserts for Race for the Galaxy and Mage Knight.


I used a little white glue on the corners and some tape. They have worked excellently since I did that. Otherwise, they were too loose for dividers to stay in.


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How well do they hold all the adventure decks sleeved? Is there space for all of them?


Kumarei wrote:
How well do they hold all the adventure decks sleeved? Is there space for all of them?

The Broken Token insert fits the base set and the entire adventure path, sleeved, with room to spare.


Kumarei wrote:
How well do they hold all the adventure decks sleeved? Is there space for all of them?

It appears that there is room for the base set and entire adventure path + 1-3 class decks.


I'll chime in too: there's plenty of room, even if double-sleeved.


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Thanks for sharing the info all. I just picked this up and plan to put it together and transfer everything over this afternoon.

I was wondering if I might want to glue it for stability, which after reading all of this I think I will do.


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I tried sticking some cardboard between the box and the insert, but all that did was push the box side out. My current solution is to use tape and paper across the bottom - the tape pulling the sides closer to keep the dividers from moving and the paper protecting the cards from the tape. I haven't actually done that yet - it was one of my projects for this weekend until something much more important came up. I'll knock it out next weekend and let y'all know how it works.


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I got mine put together today and my cards loaded this evening.

I ended up using glue on one end and tape all around. I also decided to cut a piece of card board to size and tapped it to the bottom. This seems to be helping keep it more stable.

I'll have to see how it stands up to being transported and used on Tuesday, but I like what I see so far.


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I glued all my corners. If I remember correctly, I think the instructions recommend it and I saw no reason not to do so. Wood glue and some clamps to hold it together while it dried.


If you look closely with the bubble zoom on the 2nd image (organizer without box) on the website, the front corners on the box are taped. www.thebrokentoken.com/pacg-organizer/ . I did the same and it holds fine.


Codcake wrote:

If you look closely with the bubble zoom on the 2nd image (organizer without box) on the website, the front corners on the box are taped.

LINK.
I did the same and it holds fine.

*BEEP*

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Xexyz wrote:
I've purchased three of them - one for each set - and am disappointed. The corners of two of the three don't stay connected, so I'm going to have to glue them together or deal with an unusable row.

Oh you totally should wood glue the frame. It's not like you'll ever take it apart !

Very happy with it


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Codcake wrote:

If you look closely with the bubble zoom on the 2nd image (organizer without box) on the website, the front corners on the box are taped.

LINK.
I did the same and it holds fine.

*BEEP*

LINK ADDED

From the first picture it looks like there is a small height difference between the organizer and the box itself. While this is probably for the rule book, you could probably take advantage of the difference. Cut a piece of 1/8 Lauan this size of the bottom of the PACG box, place the organizer on top of it, and tack down the long dividers to the Lauan with dots of wood glue.


Wait... Do they not have a bottom?


ophyjgjhnfn wrote:
Wait... Do they not have a bottom?

No, these ones don't (outside of the dice tray). You can see that in the second picture for the product. There's only cards and they're going in a box that already has a bottom. :)

Others they sell, primarily trays for pieces, do have a bottom.

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I use the broken token organizers in in all of my ACG sets, holds everything in sleeves with room to spare you should buy it. Also the new generation is better than the old they took my advice and moved the character slots to make the full size columns deeper.


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ophyjgjhnfn wrote:
Wait... Do they not have a bottom?

Some of the go7gaming ones do have a bottom, but it doesn't seem like many people have tried them out. I'm trying to decide whether to try those or the Broken Token one. I like the look of the Broken Token one better.


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I ran my first session of ACG last night after having moved everything over to the Broken Token organizer.

I was very happy with the results and suspect I will pick up more as future sets I want come out.


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Just got an orginizer in this afternoon. I used wood glue putting it together. Really looking forward to moving S&S over to it.

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I am hesitant to glue mine. What happens as you insert the adventure decks and need to make the sections bigger?


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I didn't glue the section dividers, just the base frame.


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Don't glue the movable dividers. Glue the corners and anything won't be moved.


You may find that tape is good enough; that's all I did. (Tape the outside corners.)

Liberty's Edge

Ah my problem is that some of my dividers won't stay in - some of the gaps are too wide.


If you didn't at least tape the corners tight, try taping the corners tight. If that doesn't help, try putting some padding between the box and the organizer on the side opposite of the dice tray and character decks. Third is either gluing one divider per column that's loose or emailing the Broken Token people and asking for their solution (which sounds like a multi-column separator to hold the columns together).


Mark Stratton wrote:
Ah my problem is that some of my dividers won't stay in - some of the gaps are too wide.

Need to turn the one wooden tile which causes the big gap.or change its position in such a way that all gap are too narrow. Using the divider will widen the gaps again and you have enough friction.


A piece of colored felt on bottom under the insert looks really awesome if your box isn't full yet!!!


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Expanding upon my post in this discussion, and moving over to this discussion since it's relevant...

Some pictures and observations:

RotR & S&S Base Sets
WotR

As you can see from the S&S and WotR, all of the cards for an adventure path, including the Base Set, Character Add-On Deck, all six Adventure decks, promo cards, and "Season of the ~" cards will fit in The Broken Token's PACG organizer when sleeved; and they do so in a manner that keeps them organized.

As the RotR image shows, you can't get all of the cards to fit when sleeved, except by leaving the majority either in boxes or organized somehow in the larger compartment into which the boxes fit. The RotR Base Set has the B and C cards (and a handful of P) sleeved and organized while the numbered Adventure deck cards remain in the shrink wrap in their boxes. I won't be able to sleeve the Adventure deck 1 cards using the stock insert (though I was able to get the Adventure deck 1 cards for WotR sleeved and in the standard insert - strange). Yes, I'll be getting another TBT PACG organizer soon and will then sleeve and organize my RotR AP cards.

I encountered the same problem with some of the wooden organizers moving, mostly those in the two left columns near the middle. This isn't a defect in the product, but is a standard property of wood, especially wood that has to be so thin (there's always a small amount of warpage) and the fact that the game box is of a height that prevents the wood product from having a bottom piece that would keep the long column dividers in place. I tried to mitigate the problem by taping a piece of paper across the bottom, but my first method of a single piece of paper across the outside pieces didn't prevent the inner dividers from exhibiting their small warpage; so I added two balsa wood shims to the outside left (you can see them in both the S&S and WotR Base Set images). The shims have pretty much mitigated the problem. I think that the paper across the bottom method might work if I use small sheets between each column, but this will require multiple thin sheets in a checkerboard pattern in order to ensure that all columns are affected, and this will take away from some of the room inside each column by adding a thin layer of paper and tape (and I'm not even sure it will work well). The only way to really improve upon the product and mitigate/remove the "problem" would be to switch to a plastic (probably more expensive than wood, and not guaranteed to work) or for Paizo to add some height to the box - perhaps 1/2" or so. This would allow for a bottom piece and would also allow for increased height of the organizer (I'll talk about the custom tabs I made soon) as well as the ability to store the rulebook and printed character sheets on top while still being able to close the box all the way.

As you can see, I'm using custom dividers to organize the cards. I created my own before seeing that there were already a number of similar cards available for download at The Board Game Geek. I'm sticking with mine and will probably make them available for download because there are some differences in what I've done.

First, though, it looks like all of the custom divider files follow a similar method in that we've all color coded our dividers to match the colors for card types (e.g., gray for weapons, purple/lavender for spells, orange for monsters, etc.). The name for the card types are at the top (I think we've all followed the same coloring, too, though that isn't so important). The only real problem is that the height of the box limits the height of TBT's PACG organizer, so you can't really read the labels except for those that have the space for the cards to lean sufficiently or for which I don't yet have cards in (e.g., the Season cards). If I were to remove the insert and cards from the box and place them into a taller container, I could increase the height of the cards so that the labels could be read. If Paizo increased the box size just a little, I could do the same thing. For now, though, I've left them at a height that will allow them to be stored in the boxes.

Where mine are different is primarily in two areas: decoration and the increased number of dividers I use.

Some of the other custom dividers I've seen use imagery to decorate the other space on the cards, whether using the AP logo, character images, background, etc. Since you can't really see this space (the label at the top is really the only area that matters), I've left this space entirely white (with one exception). This saves on ink (which is important, especially considering the number of cards I use, both within an AP and since I'm doing this for all of the APs). The only exception is the character cards, where there are multiple versions of characters. Characters from Base Sets have the AP logo beneath the label while those from Class Decks have the name of the class deck beneath the label. This allows us to be able to see at a glance that the character we're using is, say, Sajan from the Monk Class Deck rather than from the Rise of the Runelords Base Set. Note that I've laminated the divider cards for rigidity.

The sheer number of divider cards I'm using is really the distinguishing factor. All of the card types have a divider for the basic card type (e.g., Villain, Barrier, Item). For a few, that's all they need - the Villain, Henchman, and Location cards are specific to scenarios so I don't need to further organize them. The majority have additional organizers for storage of Basic and Elite (for when those cards are removed) as well as for each Adventure deck (for storage when I'm not yet using those cards). Realistically, I probably don't need the Basic or Elite dividers because those cards could simply be returned to the Adventure deck spaces instead, but I wanted to provide some flexibility in case I decide to do otherwise.

My organizers are in multiple files - a basic set for the generic dividers needed in each Base Set (e.g., Monster, Armor, Season, Promo, etc.) and a file for each of the Base Sets for the cards specific to that AP (e.g., Ship for S&S, Troop for WotR, each of the characters).

The organizer cards combined with the wooden inserts provide a great way to store and organize one's cards. They add a little weight to the box, but the majority of real weight comes from having all of the cards sleeved.

The organizer available from the other company (I forget the name at the moment) looks to be every bit as useful as TBT's, so I endorse both products. I'm simply sticking with TBT's for consistency; and I chose TBT's because theirs was the one that my local game store carried - I didn't even know about the other company's.

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