Sin Mage in Core?


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Liberty's Edge 4/5

I just did the Waking Rune Core and

Spoiler:
one of the boons for beating it allows players to make a sin mage in PFS. Does this mean I can make a sin mage in Core? I didn't think so, but we had a venture lieutenant at the table who said it did indeed mean that, and he usually isn't wrong about this kind of thing. I couldn't seem to find anybody talking about this anywhere on the boards. What are your guys' thoughts?

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Please use spoiler tags. People don't like it when they have a boon spoiled for them. :) Also, this probably goes more in the Core Campaign forum.

As for your question, you indeed can use that boon in Core. Race boons are the only exception.

Core Campaign Blog Post wrote:
At no time may any trait, feat, equipment, magic item, skill, animal companion, familiar, or any other character option come from a source beyond these three resources unless it appears on a Chronicle sheet. Race boons found on Chronicle sheets may not be used in the Core Campaign.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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There is no such thing as a "Sin Mage" in Pathfinder. That's the pseudonym that a third party website must use to avoid infringement of Paizo's copyrights.

"Thassilonian Specialist" is what you're looking for. That's also why you probably couldn't find anyone talking about it ;-)

Liberty's Edge 4/5

Thanks guys. ... also I don't know how to use a Spoiler Tag :-(

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

ComicViolence wrote:
Thanks guys. ... also I don't know how to use a Spoiler Tag :-(

[ spoiler ]stuff to hide[ / spoiler ]

Get rid of the spaces, it'll work.
Spoiler:
stuff to hide

Alternately, [ spoiler = The Waking Rune]stuff to hide[ / spoiler ]
Again, get rid of the spaces, it'll work.

The Waking Rune:
stuff to hide

Grand Lodge

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ComicViolence wrote:
Thanks guys. ... also I don't know how to use a Spoiler Tag :-(

When ever you post take a look at the bottom of that window... There's that helpful "How to format your text" with the Show button next to it. It's got all the power tricks to posting you'll ever need.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 Premier Event Coordinator

I tend to agree that IF the original chronicle was earned in CORE and included in the new character's chronicle history, yes the protege could be a CORE Thassilonian Specialist. Just remember that does not provide access to any other non-CORE material like spells, feats, etc., just the class/archetype

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Bob Jonquet wrote:
I tend to agree that IF the original chronicle was earned in CORE and included in the new character's chronicle history, yes the protege could be a CORE Thassilonian Specialist. Just remember that does not provide access to any other non-CORE material like spells, feats, etc., just the class/archetype

Note that, unlike the Protege boon, the Thassilonian Wizard boon does NOT include any requirement to include a copy with your other PCs.

I would advise having it available, but it does not have to be included in chronicle stack of any PC besides the one that earned it in Core or Standard.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Minnesota—St. Paul

kinevon wrote:

Note that, unlike the Protege boon, the Thassilonian Wizard boon does NOT include any requirement to include a copy with your other PCs.

I would advise having it available, but it does not have to be included in chronicle stack of any PC besides the one that earned it in Core or Standard.

While not explicitly required, if someone tried to use 'x' spell from a Season 5 Chronicle, or 'x' Archetype from a Season 7 Chronicle and I asked how they got access and they said 'from a chronicle that doesn't say I need it so I didn't bring it', I would be hard pressed to allow them at my table, Core or Norm.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Keith Apperson wrote:
kinevon wrote:

Note that, unlike the Protege boon, the Thassilonian Wizard boon does NOT include any requirement to include a copy with your other PCs.

I would advise having it available, but it does not have to be included in chronicle stack of any PC besides the one that earned it in Core or Standard.

While not explicitly required, if someone tried to use 'x' spell from a Season 5 Chronicle, or 'x' Archetype from a Season 7 Chronicle and I asked how they got access and they said 'from a chronicle that doesn't say I need it so I didn't bring it', I would be hard pressed to allow them at my table, Core or Norm.

Where do you draw the line?

Do I need to carry my 16th level PC's paperwork with me for my new 1st level PC?
Do I need to make a 7th photocopy of the chronicle, with most of it scratched out, to include with each PC using the archetype? Would you even accept that photocopy as proof?

I, currently, only have two or three PCs using that archetype in Standard, none in Core.
I, currently, either get a lift to the game by one of our semi-transient players, or spend something over an hour taking buses to the game.
In either case, I have limited carrying capacity.
What do I give up to carry along that 16th level PC's stuff?

Sovereign Court

I don't think anyone is saying you'd need to bring the full character, but a chronicle sheet or two that shows your character is legal? Of course a photocopy is fine as long as it has your PFS number (all chronicles should). You are required to provide the resources your character uses from books, why wouldn't you require an extra sheet for that character that includes an archetype? A character needs to be legal, and you need to be able to show it. It's not something that's only applying here, it's part of every additional resource used.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Minnesota—St. Paul

kinevon wrote:

Where do you draw the line?

Would you even accept that photocopy as proof?

What do I give up to carry along that 16th level PC's stuff?

As the Pathfinder Society encourages and enables online games (Play-by-post and Virtual Table Top) copies and personal print-outs of chronicles are a fact of life.

Knowing this, yes, copies of paperwork is just fine, as long as I can validate that your PFS # is on the chronicle and a GM has signed and dated it.

You're an experienced GM - imagine someone sits at your table and begins playing with an archetype that is banned and using multiple spells that are not legal. You then ask them 'what gives you access to those?' and they say 'Oh, some chronicles that I didn't bring with me'.

So, you might happen to have all of those scenarios yourself and access to them on a digital device (multiple assumptions right there that won't be true for everyone) - you can see that those chronicles DO give access - how do you now prove that the player in question actually played that scenario?

So yes - if you're playing that class, I expect you to be able to back it up by having either your original or a copy of the chronicle that grants access. Otherwise, I've got pregens with me, since you cannot prove your character as valid.

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Keith Apperson wrote:
kinevon wrote:

Where do you draw the line?

Would you even accept that photocopy as proof?

What do I give up to carry along that 16th level PC's stuff?

As the Pathfinder Society encourages and enables online games (Play-by-post and Virtual Table Top) copies and personal print-outs of chronicles are a fact of life.

Knowing this, yes, copies of paperwork is just fine, as long as I can validate that your PFS # is on the chronicle and a GM has signed and dated it.

You're an experienced GM - imagine someone sits at your table and begins playing with an archetype that is banned and using multiple spells that are not legal. You then ask them 'what gives you access to those?' and they say 'Oh, some chronicles that I didn't bring with me'.

So, you might happen to have all of those scenarios yourself and access to them on a digital device (multiple assumptions right there that won't be true for everyone) - you can see that those chronicles DO give access - how do you now prove that the player in question actually played that scenario?

So yes - if you're playing that class, I expect you to be able to back it up by having either your original or a copy of the chronicle that grants access. Otherwise, I've got pregens with me, since you cannot prove your character as valid.

They could theoretically pull up their PFS account to show you their sessions, assuming they've been accurately reported. *cough*

IMO, boons that are applied to other characters should have photocopied chronicles, though.

Dark Archive

Trying to wrap my mind around the idea of NOT having to provide proof of chronicle that grants access to something. I need to have my race boon in the chronicle stack to play my aasimar spiritualist, so why wouldn't someone else need to show the chronicle letting them play an otherwise banned archtype?

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