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Milo v3 wrote:
JiCi wrote:


- Ugh... because they need to make one... a dragon-like humanoid PC race. Come on, it's long overdue...
That already exists. Also, see these guys.

Like these? Sorry, couldn't find male versions.


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Cause we have stats for god-like beings like the Elohim or Anunnaki, I'd like to see other similar mythic creatures. For example Asgardians, not the most powerful, but ordinary citizens. Also the Vanir. From other mythologies, Amesha Spenta (Persian), Tuatha de Danann (Celtic), Celestial Bureaucrat (Chinese), and so on.


i'm not interested in 3rd Party stuff (spare for Kobold Press) and especially not in templates.

I want a twin based monster that is just that, not some ant hill that has hive mind or some merged twins, two separate twins that are linked together or can merge together or embrace each others powers or become berserk when one of the two dies.

again, Binaye-Ahani (the same group as Bestiary 5 Delgeth, the American Anaye) is perfect for the job, i'm sure paizo can do wonders with those creatures.


What is this Cu Sith like creature, its from pathfinder, but never saw it in a product?

I want that creature in as Cu Sith, one of the most famous creatures that paizo still haven't used.


Nightterror wrote:

What is this Cu Sith like creature, its from pathfinder, but never saw it in a product?

I want that creature in as Cu Sith, one of the most famous creatures that paizo still haven't used.

Copying the image link into Google image search (the small photo button), I find the following:

Responsible artist

Given that the artist worked for Paizo in the past and the image is really good, I am surprised it's not in a book.


I am still surprised we haven't seen the Cheshire Cat, Nekomata, or Bakeneko.


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I'll just leave this here. :)


I like the owl faced koala.


Yay another wishlist thread. So far each bestiary has had a lot of monsters that I've really fallen in love with. Still, there is one monster I've wanted to see in here since Bestiary 3. That's the hupia, from Taino lore. These are undead, faceless creatures that can transform from incorporeal to corporeal and turn into bats, their former selves, or can look like someone's loved one. They have no belly button, which is how you tell who they are. And they have some ties to the idea of reincarnation according to some anthropologists, so there could be something about that. They can be good, neutral or evil, and are intelligent so they make great NPCs. I statted one up here, but I'd love to see what Paizo does with their version. And I want to see art of it :D

C'mon Adam Daigle, make it happen ;)

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Odraude wrote:

Yay another wishlist thread. So far each bestiary has had a lot of monsters that I've really fallen in love with. Still, there is one monster I've wanted to see in here since Bestiary 3. That's the hupia, from Taino lore. These are undead, faceless creatures that can transform from incorporeal to corporeal and turn into bats, their former selves, or can look like someone's loved one. They have no belly button, which is how you tell who they are. And they have some ties to the idea of reincarnation according to some anthropologists, so there could be something about that. They can be good, neutral or evil, and are intelligent so they make great NPCs. I statted one up here, but I'd love to see what Paizo does with their version. And I want to see art of it :D

C'mon Adam Daigle, make it happen ;)

You were the first person to bring hupia to my attention. I'll do what I can. :)


My dog :)

See now I gotta get back to updating the Arcadia thread ;)


There can't be good/neutral undead creatures, so it will be evil.


Nightterror wrote:
There can't be good/neutral undead creatures, so it will be evil.

Undead can technically be Neutral or Good, but for those who need to feed, how they feed is often (partly) why they are Evil, also depend on how they were made and what keep them from moving on.


And since they really only feed on guava... I don't think that's too evil. Hupia run the gamut of being good but forlorn, or evil and tormenting. There are a lot of stories of them coming back to live with their loved ones and living happy lives. Or getting forsaken by their loved ones because hey, they're supposed to be dead!


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Nightterror wrote:
There can't be good/neutral undead creatures, so it will be evil.
Undead can technically be Neutral or Good, but for those who need to feed, how they feed is often (partly) why they are Evil, also depend on how they were made and what keep them from moving on.

They developers don't agree with you, based on past conversations. In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

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As always, let's get more from Latin America!

Alebrijes, coatl, moai, Huay Chivo, the cucuy, Marimonda, encantado, the Tunda, the Patasola, nagual, the children of Tau y Keraná (teju jaguá, mbói tu'i, moñái, jasy jateré, kurupí, ao ao, luisón), and the weeping woman


Slithery D wrote:
Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
Nightterror wrote:
There can't be good/neutral undead creatures, so it will be evil.
Undead can technically be Neutral or Good, but for those who need to feed, how they feed is often (partly) why they are Evil, also depend on how they were made and what keep them from moving on.
They developers don't agree with you, based on past conversations. In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

I know...

Because Positive Energy = Life = Good.

and

Because Negative Energy = Death/Undeath = Evil.


Im kinda happy that at least one group of creatures cant be corrupted by the dullness of good lol. Too bad mostly suffer from humanoid syndrome and ghosty bosty.


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Actually with ghosts and phantoms, plus the occult adventures books explaining more about the afterlife, it is more possibly to have undead with varying alignments. And remember, the all undead = evil is Golarion based, while the Bestiaries are setting neutral. Also I trust Adam's take on the American creatures and their respect for the folklore, so I have faith they will do the myth justice. Especially after reading Distant Shores.

No pressure Adam :p

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Slithery D wrote:
In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

All undead are evil.

Not all 'post-death citizens' are "undead".


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Well Sahkil could use "fear of isolation", "fear of being trapped", "fear of death", "fear of being touched", "fear of blood", "fear of darkness", "fear of the unknown", "fear for another's safety" to great effect.


Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
JiCi wrote:


- Ugh... because they need to make one... a dragon-like humanoid PC race. Come on, it's long overdue...
That already exists. Also, see these guys.
Like these? Sorry, couldn't find male versions.

Ok... how about something that 1) is not related to draconic cousins and 2) that is not a dumb/cannon fodder race? I'd like to mention that the wyvarans are related to wyverns and kobolds. We're not talking about true dragon descendants here.

We have the aasimar to compensate for the inability to play as a half-celestial, we have the tiefling for the half-fiend, we have the geniekins and sulis for the half-elemental and the skinwalker for the lycanthrope.

We are lacking a PC race to compensate for the inability to play as a half-dragon.

Yeah, yeah, the half-dragon is possibly the most hated and overused template, so much that they nerfed it HARD in Pathfinder. Still, that shouldn't be a reason to not give players a draconic race. 3.5, 4.0 and 5.0 have the Dragonborns... We're kinda long overdue here.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Slithery D wrote:
In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

All undead are evil.

Not all 'post-death citizens' are "undead".

yeah...I kind of suspect if they decided to do Hupia as neutral, they would most likely do them as outsiders

It's probably worth mentioning that as far as folklore is concerned, Fey/Outsiders/Undead are all pretty equivalent terms, since people didn't really necessarily consider them separate categories in the way Pathfinder organizes them.


JiCi wrote:
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You have two dragon races already, you may not like them, but we do have them. Which means, it's much less likely for another to be created.


Milo v3 wrote:
JiCi wrote:
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You have two dragon races already, you may not like them, but we do have them. Which means, it's much less likely for another to be created.

A Dragonic race that look... Dragonic?


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Milo v3 wrote:
JiCi wrote:
SNIP
You have two dragon races already, you may not like them, but we do have them. Which means, it's much less likely for another to be created.

We have goblins, hobgoblins, bugbears, monkey goblins and wikkawaks... and I don't see people clamoring for more goblinoids.

Kobolds and wyvarans are like goblins and hobgoblins. Technically, we could easily get more kobold-like creatures in the future.

Problem is, all of these aren't actual true dragon descendants. We're 5 Bestiaries in and we recently got androids, skinwalkers, astomois, calignis, deep one hybrids, ghorans, orang-pendaks, reptoids and shabtis. None of them are related to true dragons.

We have 6 categories of dragons already, don't tell me that they couldn't make a dragonborn-like race. In fact, if they do release such a race, they'll FINALLY fill the gap left by the lack of playable half-dragons.


JiCi wrote:
Problem is, all of these aren't actual true dragon descendants.

Actually kobolds are.... That's why they have things like racial traits that give them energy resistance based on the colour of their scales, wings, feats that give them breath weapons, tail slap attacks....

Was better in 3.5e though with Dragonwrought.


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CBDunkerson wrote:
Slithery D wrote:
In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

All undead are evil.

Not all 'post-death citizens' are "undead".

Not all Pathfinder undead are evil.

It is clearly stated that ghosts can be of any alignment.
Animus Shades are only "usually" chaotic evil.
Ectoplasmic creatures are only "usually" chaotic evil, and Bestiary 4 actually has a neutral ectoplasmic human in it.
Bestiary 3 has neutral deathwebs.
Reign of Winter has lawful neutral trench zombies.

They're few and far between, but they can happen.
James Jacobs predicted that none besides ghosts would be published, but it turned out he was incorrect.

For that matter, just take any undead and plop a Helm of Opposite Alignment on it's head. They're not explicitly immune, interestingly enough.


Milo v3 wrote:
JiCi wrote:
Problem is, all of these aren't actual true dragon descendants.

Actually kobolds are.... That's why they have things like racial traits that give them energy resistance based on the colour of their scales, wings, feats that give them breath weapons, tail slap attacks....

Was better in 3.5e though with Dragonwrought.

Would it be too much to ask to support the idea of getting a human/dragon hybrid, that DOESN'T look like your regular annoying little critter?

Like any player would look at a kobold and say "Oh nice, that's the best draconic race I' could get to be a real dragon!"...


JiCi wrote:
Like any player would look at a kobold and say "Oh nice, that's the best draconic race I' could get to be a real dragon!"...

They did in 3.5e, it was disappointing when I looked in ARG and saw how weak they were compared to RotD Kobolds.


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JiCi wrote:
Would it be too much to ask to support the idea of getting a human/dragon hybrid, that DOESN'T look like your regular annoying little critter?

I dunno, Kobolds in Paizo's stuff have been looking badass and dragony since the days of Mokmurian's little barbarian buddy...

The javelin and crossbow-wielding specimen in Inner Sea Races is downright awesome-looking.


Next kind of dragons:

Beyonder Dragons! So we can have them fight Asgardians! :)


I would also like to see a 0HD dragon blooded playable race though I am more looking for the "Aasimar/Tiefling" version were they could look more human or more draconic depending on the player. I would also like to see fey and giant blooded 0HD races along those lines as well.


Dragon78 wrote:
I would also like to see fey 0HD races along those lines as well.

Don't suppose you count Gathlian's?


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Dragon78 wrote:

I would also like to see a 0HD dragon blooded playable race though I am more looking for the "Aasimar/Tiefling" version were they could look more human or more draconic depending on the player. I would also like to see fey and giant blooded 0HD races along those lines as well.

I'm with you and Jici on this. I think it's been long enough that we can have a dragonborn race in Pathfinder. But I also agree with you, it'd be cool if they were less upright lizards and more similar to tieflings and aasimars. And having some different bloodlines would be workable and awesome. The standard Colored and Metal dragons, Imperial and now Esoteric, maybe even some of the weirder ones like a zmey or even a jabberwock (I'd actually love an NPC that was a jabberwock dragonkin).

Also +1 for giant blooded race.

And here is an old topic I made about such a thing. Now we have those Time Dragons and Occult dragons so... might be harder


Dragon78 wrote:
I would also like to see a 0HD dragon blooded playable race though I am more looking for the "Aasimar/Tiefling" version were they could look more human or more draconic depending on the player. I would also like to see fey and giant blooded 0HD races along those lines as well.

My point exactly. Can't play a half-celestial? Pick an aasimar. Dude, they even have a feat that grant them WINGS! Soemthing like either the dragonborn or the spellscale (design-wise at least) could work.

BTW, the gathlains are feys, and a 0HD race... with wings too ;) That should satisfy your need for a fey race ATM.

Giants? Oddly enough, we don't have yet a goliath or a half-giant, for that matter. The "closest" thing we could get is a Firbolg-Elven hybrid humanoid. As farfetched as it sounds, hear me out:
- Firbolgs distrust humanoids... except elves, although that's never explained why. I suspect that they can trade and help each others.
- Firbolgs can shrink in size, thanks to their reduce person spell-like ability. This can lead to... whatever comes after love.
- Firbolg possess the ability to wield bigger weapons, a trait that could easily be inherited.
- The resulting hybrid shouldn't be rejected by either clans... especially if they are in mutual respecful terms.
- 90% of the giantkin want to squash smaller humanoids. Firbolgs aren't like that. Cliff giants and some cloud giants aren't evil either, but still, tehy rarely ally themselves to humans.
- It wouldn't be a children born out of slavery or servitude... or worse. Giants enslave smaller humanoids and/or bully them. The relationship between firbolgs and elves seem to be genuine.

That's all speculation, but that could work.


MMCJawa wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Slithery D wrote:
In Pathfinder undead are inherently evil because reasons.

All undead are evil.

Not all 'post-death citizens' are "undead".

yeah...I kind of suspect if they decided to do Hupia as neutral, they would most likely do them as outsiders

It's probably worth mentioning that as far as folklore is concerned, Fey/Outsiders/Undead are all pretty equivalent terms, since people didn't really necessarily consider them separate categories in the way Pathfinder organizes them.

This is a good point and would fit anthropological research that hupia were associated with the idea of reincarnation. And with the Occult Adventures book out and B5, there's plenty of reincarnation lore we could use for the hupia.


No one likes my Beyonder Dragons?

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I want more native outsiders, because I like my players to be able to spend gp, which they can't do in other planes, but I like using outsiders. There shouldn't be any more demons or devils because there are so many of them already and they're getting boring.

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I also want all new races to be standard (10 rp or less). Not all 0hds are balanced.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
No one likes my Beyonder Dragons?

What are beyonder dragons?

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Nightterror wrote:
There can't be good/neutral undead creatures, so it will be evil.

Prana Ghosts can be good if they have a good goal

(such as cure a disease or make a trade route safe again).


Prana Ghosts are actually outsiders, but there are several non-evil undead creatures, as I stated a few posts ago.


Odraude wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:

I would also like to see a 0HD dragon blooded playable race though I am more looking for the "Aasimar/Tiefling" version were they could look more human or more draconic depending on the player. I would also like to see fey and giant blooded 0HD races along those lines as well.

I'm with you and Jici on this. I think it's been long enough that we can have a dragonborn race in Pathfinder. But I also agree with you, it'd be cool if they were less upright lizards and more similar to tieflings and aasimars. And having some different bloodlines would be workable and awesome. The standard Colored and Metal dragons, Imperial and now Esoteric, maybe even some of the weirder ones like a zmey or even a jabberwock (I'd actually love an NPC that was a jabberwock dragonkin).

Chromatic, Metallic, Primal, Imperial, Outer, Occult, Linnorm, etc...


I also want more mythology creatures I never heard about, like the lily-creature from bestiary 5.

I want to see Dragons based on War, Famine, Death, Apocalypse and Pestilence.

I don't care for playable race half-dragons, I want Brobinyak, half ogre, half dragon. Brobinyak is from English folklore, so a good reason to add, not from D&D at all. Brobinyak could also be a big breed of lizardmen with dragon features.

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That reminds me of Mage Knight's Apocalypse Dragon. (Nothing wrong with that.)


This time I like the dragons to be very different from each other. I mean in the last 3 bestiaries all dragons looked very much alike with different colores, I want these to be the same as the Bestiary 2 dragons, (which are still my favorite dragons after all this time) very different looking.


The Gathlain are a full blooded fey race, I am talking about a "aasimar/tiefling" style race that human(usually)/fey blooded. I still want it to be the fey type and I would love variants like those other blooded races get as well.


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Dragon78 wrote:
The Gathlain are a full blooded fey race, I am talking about a "aasimar/tiefling" style race that human(usually)/fey blooded. I still want it to be the fey type and I would love variants like those other blooded races get as well.

I just use kitsune for that and reflavour what animal it is an anthro of. Personally I prefer spiders, with each "tail" gained through the magic tail feat being a giant spider leg growing out of their back.

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Milo v3 wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
The Gathlain are a full blooded fey race, I am talking about a "aasimar/tiefling" style race that human(usually)/fey blooded. I still want it to be the fey type and I would love variants like those other blooded races get as well.
I just use kitsune for that and reflavour what animal it is an anthro of. Personally I prefer spiders, with each "tail" gained through the magic tail feat being a giant spider leg growing out of their back.

This sounds very cool. (I might like to see different Magical Tail spell lists based on the animal, but that's just me.)

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