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Pretty sure Torag looks like a Dwarf.


captain yesterday wrote:
Pretty sure Torag looks like a Dwarf.

Dwarves aren't humanoid (shaped)?


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I never read a post or two behind, I'm not here for an in depth discussion, just pointing out the obvious, not looking to start an argument :-)


Sure, and Calistria looks like an elf. So we have "short human with facial hair" and "normal human with pointy ears". ;P

I'm not trying to point out any huge problem, I just think that showing more totally inhuman or even Lovecraftian celestial beings would be a cool addition. They don't even have to look utterly repulsive. How about a dretch-like being? Some sort of misshapen lumbering archon—maybe reminiscent of Quasimodo, even. Or even a spiderlike creature!

Remember that there are lots of good nonhumanoids, and tons of nonevil ones. Delvers. Dragons. Vegepygmies. Giant eagles. Wyverns. Yetis. Phoenixes. Mimics. Araneas and otyughs are even established as being fairly nonhostile entities. So it would make sense that celestials give them plenty of attention, too.


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It's still my headcanon that dragons immensely fear death because they enjoy their perfect shape and loathe the idea of having their immortal soul warped into the shape of an inferior creature, like humanoids....


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It would be nice to see what kind of celestials the good aligned non-humanoids( such as metallic dragons) become in the after life.

I would like to see oozes that are from the good aligned planes and the positive energy plane.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
How about a celestial ooze?

I would buy it. I always thought there should have been a holy word living spell......


It could be a ooze made of holy energy that eats evil outsiders. Maybe it's natural attacks do no damage to good aligned targets. It would also get detect evil as a constant effect as well.


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Positive energy ooze.


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Now that sounds potentially awesome. Proton ooze! Get it? Because...no, I know that's not how science works, it was a...nevermind.

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Nightterror wrote:
Positive energy ooze.

There was one in one of the template books... Advanced Bestiary? Anyway, it attacked by healing you to death.


Yeah, that's what I had in mind. Pity it's been done before.


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I am sure I have asked for positive energy oozes and positive energy elementals for a while now. I would love to see more creatures from the positive energy plane especially ones that are not outsiders(except elementals).


New Proteans.


It would be interesting to see a Halfling or Gnome variant of a centaur.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Now that sounds potentially awesome. Proton ooze! Get it? Because...no, I know that's not how science works, it was a...nevermind.

Oh! Give them an aversion to water too. ... you know... so they never cross the streams...?

Seriously though, a celestial ooze could be incorporeal or ethereal. A flowing cloud that glows with an internal golden light. Used as mounts by others, a'la' Son-Goku. An ooze from a lawful plane could be like freezing water crystals. Melting in the back and freezing in the front, seemingly random, but in reality, following a complex pattern.

Nightterror wrote:
New Proteans.

Definitely. Considering they're embodiments of chaos its kind of sad how few variations of them there are.


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More Half Outsider templates: Neutral (Good/Evil), Chaotic/Entropic, Neutral (Law/Chaos), Lawful/Axiomatic, more specific subtypes (Psychopomp, Axiomite, etc), and if possible, avoid putting "Smite [alignment]" in them.

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MMCJawa wrote:
I also wouldn't mind a new good outsider group focused on the "Good is not pretty trope" Some wierd ancient eldritch entities that are good, but completely inexplicable would be sort of awesome.
This. This exactly. Evil is still okay, but it has to be unique, way more neutrals needed, and some good groups that don't look beautiful.
I agree with the "We need more Outsiders that don't look like Human in costumes"
Yeah, I don't see a being of one of the celestial upper planes being ugly and repulsive dude. Fearsome and intimidating is perfectly fine. If you want a pus spewing, vomit inducing angel though, your probably out of luck. Not only does that go against established core material for Pathfinder it also doesn't make much sense.
'Angels' as described in the Bible (and other such Holy Texts)? Those are far from the Winged Humanoid cliché/trope... and they aren't pus spewing, vomit inducing either.

Angels as beautiful Winged Humanoids is common in the Bible and religious art. and are the most common type of Angels described.

-'Ordinary' Angels

Have a humanoid body, Sometimes have no wings and Sometimes do have wings(maybe more)

They are describe as beautiful winged humanoids

Daniel 10:5-6(Book of Daniel) gives a vivid description of an angel that he saw: “I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold around his waist. His body was like topaz, his face that shined like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.” So Daniel describes an angel with a face like a lightning bolt, eyes like flaming torches of fire, arms and legs that gleam like polished chrome, and a voice like that of thunder.

There is also the angel the described at Jesus’ tomb Had a humanoid body and obviously was not human “His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow” (Matt. 28:4).

the Seraphim or Seraphs

The word Seraphim (one seraph, two or more seraphim) means “burning ones” or nobles. They are also sometimes called the 'ones of love' because their name might come from the Hebrew root for 'love'. Seraphim are only fully described in the Bible on one occasion

They are describe as beautiful winged humanoids.

So these types of heavenly beings have six wings, but they only use two of them for flying. the other four are used to cover the your face and feet. In Jewish folklore, and some later Christian works, the Seraphim are said to be the highest rank of angel second to the archangels. This is probably because of their very close proximity to God.

In art, Seraphim are often red (because of their names 'burning ones') and are shown holding a flaming sword with the words 'holy, holy, holy' on the blade

The Dominions or Lordships(type of angels)

The "Dominions" (Eph. 1:21; Col. 1:16) (lat. dominatio, plural dominationes, also translated from the Greek term kyriotētes, pl. of kyriotēs, as "Lordships") or "Dominations" are presented as the hierarchy of celestial beings "Lordships" in some English translations of the De Coelesti Hierarchia.

The Dominions regulate the duties of lower angels. It is only with extreme rarity that the angelic lords make themselves physically known to humans.

The Dominions look like divinely beautiful humans with a pair of feathered wings, much like the common representation of angels, but they may be distinguished from other groups by wielding orbs of light fastened to the heads of their scepters or on the pommel of their sword.


Unfortunately D&D/Pathfinder didn't use that classification system for angels.

I would be up for "holy oozes" being incorporeal.


I would love a spiritual (so incorporeal) Guardian Angel.

An angel that fuses itself with a good soul and protects it.

So players can have a guardian angel that guides it, gives it advice, gives it boosts in strength, defense, and whatever else, maybe even luck.

It also strikes at ghosts and other incorporeal evil that treatens it's ''host"

Its a good parasite, as it also grows stronger if the bond with its lucky host is good.

It appears as a spiritual angel thingie, but it is a shapeshifter it can have any form, it just chooses to have the form of an angel, so it doesn't frighten its host and other onlookers and makes an instant bond with good-natured creatuers.


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A Spiritual Ooze could be another nasty ooze creature, that feeds on spirits or souls. Some form of undead ooze, to break the humanoid undead stuff. Instead of flesh this ooze drains your soul and leaves an empty shell.

And we have undead plants now too.


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Some non-pretty angels:
Isrāfīl "is usually conceived as having a huge, hairy body that is covered with mouths and tongues and that reaches from the seventh heaven to the throne of God. One wing protects his body, another shields him from God, while the other two extend east and west."

Azrael/Malak Almawt/Malak al-Maut/Salathiel/Ezra "he has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the Earth."

Michael "in the likeness of a column of fire"

Hayyot "The bodies of the creatures are "like that of a human being", but each of them has four faces, corresponding to the four directions the chariot can go (East, South, North and West). The faces are that of a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle. Since there are four angels and each has four faces, there are a total of sixteen faces. Each "Hayyot" angel also has four wings. Two of these wings spread across the length of the chariot and connect with the wings of the angel on the other side. This creates a sort of 'box' of wings that forms the perimeter of the chariot. With the remaining two wings, each angel covers its own body."

Ophanim "eye-covered wheels (each composed of two nested wheels)"

Seraphim "These angels appear like flashes of fire continuously ascending and descending."

Enoch/Metatron "This Enoch, whose flesh was turned to flame, his veins to fire, his eye-lashes to flashes of lightning, his eye-balls to flaming torches"

Cherub "Christian art they are often represented with the faces of a lion, ox, eagle, and man peering out from the center of an array of four wings (Ezekiel 1:5-11, 10:12,21 Revelation 4:8); (seraphim have six); the most frequently encountered descriptor applied to cherubim in Christianity is many-eyed, and in depictions the wings are often shown covered with a multitude of eyes (showing them to be all-seeing beings). In Western Christianity, cherubim have since the Renaissance been confused with putti — innocent souls, looking like winged children, who sing praises to God daily — that can be seen in innumerable church frescoes and in the work of painters such as Raphael."

Af and Hemah "each five hundred parasangs in height, forged out of chains of black fire and red fire"

Samael "His height was so great, it would have taken five hundred years to cover a distance equal to it, and from the crown of his head to the soles of his feet he was studded with glaring eyes", sometimes also a serpent.

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I would love a spiritual (so incorporeal) Guardian Angel.

I think there was an templates for that in the old advanced bestiary.... and paizo has taken templates from that book before with that devil-bound template and stuff.


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Could use some incorporeal celestials, after all we have at least one incorporeal fiend.

A ooze made of psychic energy or thought that feeds and/or collects knowledge from people, places, and things.

I would like to see mud, magma, lighting, and ice versions of elemental wisps.

It is true, we do not have any undead oozes, could use a couple of those.


Dragon78 wrote:
It would be interesting to see a Halfling or Gnome variant of a centaur.

Medium Sized Centaur like creature?

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A Centaur like MH that look more Human X Unicorn than Human x Horse.

more Humanoid x Pony/Donkey/Zebra and other equestrian, normal and "war" versions.


@ Mr.u , you more described their "a form you are confortable with" than what is supposed to be their true forms.


Yeah, a medium size centaur like creature, maybe MH or maybe Fey.


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How about a CR 25+ fey?

And im onboard with the eldritch esque celestials. I think they would work well as servants of Desna, considering her origins.

Some more chaotic neutral outsiders would be pretty cool. Once again, more proteans but the Maelstrom doesn't have that many inhabitants. Which is really bizarre for being the plane of primal chaos. Even if they are just one-off beings, the plane needs some more inhabitants. The Lower Planes are crawling with non-fiend race creatures like bebiliths, hell hounds, and soul eaters. Give the Maelstrom and even the upper planes some creatures like those ones.


I would love to see some CR25+ fey as well.


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More Ogrekin-esque hybrid species that don't exactly work flawlessly.

More creatures from various African myths.

More fey. Especially evil fey.

Some kind of spider-people without any connection to the drow.

Walrus-Men so I can stop kitbashing 3.5 Thanoi from Dragonlance...

More Hags, but also more "counts-as-a-hag for coven purposes" creatures.

Personally, I think we have enough demons, devils, dragons and giants for the time being, but I'm a clear minority, so, you know, go for it.


Cole Deschain, don't we have, like, three spider-people species with nothing to do with drow? Phase spiders, ettercaps and aranea are all intelligent. Heck, aranea and phase spiders aren't even evil!


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Cole Deschain, don't we have, like, three spider-people species with nothing to do with drow? Phase spiders, ettercaps and aranea are all intelligent. Heck, aranea and phase spiders aren't even evil!

Allow me to clarify, then:

Spider people defined by class levels, not by being gigantic arachnid killbeasts.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Cole Deschain, don't we have, like, three spider-people species with nothing to do with drow? Phase spiders, ettercaps and aranea are all intelligent. Heck, aranea and phase spiders aren't even evil!

I think he meant like Drider, Girtablilu (scorpion), Centaur (Horse), etc, but not related to Drow.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Cole Deschain, don't we have, like, three spider-people species with nothing to do with drow? Phase spiders, ettercaps and aranea are all intelligent. Heck, aranea and phase spiders aren't even evil!

Allow me to clarify, then:

Spider people defined by class levels, not by being gigantic arachnid killbeasts.

OK, maybe that too.


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Ettercaps only have four racial hit dice, actually. And aranea are medium-sized. Unless you mean you want a playable race?


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Only as playable as Serpentfolk, really. I just want to see some culture on the eight-legged buggers...

Maybe give them some weird right angle take on Maya or Inca culture.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Cole Deschain, don't we have, like, three spider-people species with nothing to do with drow? Phase spiders, ettercaps and aranea are all intelligent. Heck, aranea and phase spiders aren't even evil!

Don't forget the Jorogumo.

Though personally I can always use more spider monsters for my Australian setting.

Spider-races aren't actually hard to make, it helps that you can change their pedipalps into hands. I've had actual giant spider races in my camapaigns before, weren't even anthropomorphic.


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More Aussie-appropriate monsters in general...


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In fairness, spiders are, in nature, utterly hateful towards each other (with only a few exceptions, I think). That's part of why we don't know quite how to farm spider silk yet. It makes sense that they don't form big communities. :P

But anything based on Amerindian nations would be awesome, I won't lie. That's one thing Pathfinder is really lacking in—all we have are those hunter-gatherer guys on the Plateau. The Incas or Aztec were just about as advanced as anyone in Golarion, sans the big gray metal, so it's weird that the Shoanti are the closest we get. Unless I'm forgetting someone?


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I would like to see a arachnid-like 0HD race or at least a 0HD with the web monster ability.


Dragon78 wrote:
I would like to see a arachnid-like 0HD race or at least a 0HD with the web monster ability.

Scroll down to Xendrik :P


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I skimmed Bestiary 1 to 4 lately to compile a list of templates. That's when I noticed half of them turns the creature into an undead or outsider. In case Bestiary 5 doesn't add much diversity here, I'd like to see some different templates in B6.


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Again I wish for more non-humanoid undead and spirits. This Bestiary 5 is again teeming with humanoid undead and mummies.

Rather see more Bone Ships, Wraithwyrms and Polongs.


KaiserBruno wrote:

How about a CR 25+ fey?

The Lower Planes are crawling with non-fiend race creatures like bebiliths, hell hounds, and soul eaters. Give the Maelstrom and even the upper planes some creatures like those ones.

That is a really great idea.


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I agree we need more templates that are not undead. I still would like a half-elemental and/or elemental creature template. I would like a aberrant template, ghost animal template, non-fungus/mold plant templates, cybernetic creature, alien animal template, half-ooze template, magical animal template, cursed creature template, etc.


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Dragon78 wrote:
I agree we need more templates that are not undead. I still would like a half-elemental and/or elemental creature template. I would like a aberrant template, ghost animal template, non-fungus/mold plant templates, cybernetic creature, alien animal template, half-ooze template, magical animal template, cursed creature template, etc.

The "problem" is that an undead creature can be anything. In fact, MANY undead could be sample creatures with an accompanying template. We're... not dodging this one anytime soon :P

I agree that we should get elemental, aberrant and cybernetic templates ;)

As for me, hmmm...
- Kineticist variants for dragons and elementals, like replacing a breath weapon by a blast and giving a blast to an elemental, like the Aether Elemental
- A fey/plant group of hybrids based on flowers; yeah, yeah, it's very girly, but still, a humanoid [female] fey mixed with a rose, a lily, a poppy, a daisy, a sunflower, a tulip, a cherry blossom, and so forth.
- Twins... or an outsider made of 2 separate being in complete unison.
- A Relic Golem, a golem made of an occultist's discarded relics
- A pair of floating eyes that belonged to a mesmerist
- A psychic's astral form
- The embodiement of a barbarian's rage; for instance, have a spell to "rip" the rage out of a barbarian and materializes it into a monster.
- Ugh... because they need to make one... a dragon-like humanoid PC race. Come on, it's long overdue...
- A vermin lord, basically the vermin counterpart of the animal lord
- A halfling/dog centaur-like creature, a "canitaur".
- A gnome/cat centaur creature, a "felitaur"

That's all I can think of ;)


The Vampire Rose revisited.

Also twins, can't believe there still aren't any twin-based monsters in pathfinder, is this too difficult to create, do the rules have problems? Mythology has Binaye-Ahani, but any twin-monsters would do for now.


Nightterror wrote:

The Vampire Rose revisited.

Also twins, can't believe there still aren't any twin-based monsters in pathfinder, is this too difficult to create, do the rules have problems? Mythology has Binaye-Ahani, but any twin-monsters would do for now.

Adhukait asuras are 2 beings chained into one being, but they are tightly merged.

A pair of twins would be 2 beings with two separate bodies and minds, but closely linked together. In short, a Gemini, divine twins are famous mythological beings.


JiCi wrote:
Nightterror wrote:

The Vampire Rose revisited.

Also twins, can't believe there still aren't any twin-based monsters in pathfinder, is this too difficult to create, do the rules have problems? Mythology has Binaye-Ahani, but any twin-monsters would do for now.

Adhukait asuras are 2 beings chained into one being, but they are tightly merged.

A pair of twins would be 2 beings with two separate bodies and minds, but closely linked together. In short, a Gemini, divine twins are famous mythological beings.

Well, there is also Linked Life/Lives, Linked Minds, and some other stuff.


JiCi wrote:


- Ugh... because they need to make one... a dragon-like humanoid PC race. Come on, it's long overdue...

That already exists. Also, see these guys.


This supplement has a template called Twin-Bound, which works well for "twin" creatures who are magically connected somehow. For "normal" twins of course you can just use two of a monster.


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A twin monster(s) that can fuse together gaining more power, sounds interesting to me.

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