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Dragon78 wrote:
I could have sworn I have seen a cavalier archetype for centaurs that would be very useful for any tauric creature.

Yup. ^_^


Thank you Kalindlara, I couldn't remember were I had seen it.


Dragon78 wrote:

I could have sworn I have seen a cavalier archetype for centaurs that would be very useful for any tauric creature.

A playable ooze that can turn into a human, we have had at least two oozes that can turn into humanoids so a playable version would be awesome.

The Skinwalker fills the lycanthrope role and with some more options could really fill that niche well.

Not to be a douche, but, can you make up your mind? You are contradicting yourself quite a bit.

And that was one archetype, for one class...


Yes, it was an archetype for one class because it was an example of the kind of stuff I thought you might be looking for.

Also, how am I contradicting myself?


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I want to see more celestials!


I want to see some actual female angels.

Would also like to see powerful fey like the Glaistig that have elemental kineticist powers but for air, fire, and water. Would like them to around the same CR as well.


Dragon78 wrote:

I want to see some actual female angels.

Would also like to see powerful fey like the Glaistig that have elemental kineticist powers but for air, fire, and water. Would like them to around the same CR as well.

Angels can change there sex a will. They aren't male or female by default.


No, it says that angels can appear male or female but it doesn't say anywhere that they can change there gender at will. Plus even if this was true, it doesn't change the fact that there is no art for female angels in the hardcover bestiaries.


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Dragon78 wrote:
No, it says that angels can appear male or female but it doesn't say anywhere that they can change there gender at will. Plus even if this was true, it doesn't change the fact that there is no art for female angels in the hardcover bestiaries.

I believe Xavier is referring to...

Bestiary wrote:

All angels are blessed with extraordinary beauty, though their actual appearances vary widely. Their natural shapechanging ability means they may appear to mortals as male or female, depending on their personal preference or the will of their deity. As they are spiritual creatures given a physical form rather than creatures of flesh born of other creatures, their gender is mutable; some angels always use a male form, some strictly a female one, and others use either or both, or prefer an androgynous or sexless shape.[/spoiler]


Yeah, but it still doesn't change the fact that there is no female angel art in any of the hardcover bestiaries.

I would still like to see some new lamia since we haven't had any(new or reprinted) since B2.


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I want to see some actual female angels.
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Yeah, but it still doesn't change the fact that there is no female angel art in any of the hardcover bestiaries.

This! This so very MUCH!


Some races(0HD and otherwise) that are pacifist and have abilities to help in that way of life.

A monster that sacrifices it's own life to bring another creature back from the dead would be interesting.

More living creatures that spawn other life forms, not undead or baby versions of itself but other creatures as servants.

A monstrous humanoid that uses a curse/disease/poison that turns humanoids into it's own kind.

A half elemental template would be awesome.


Archdevils would be great. Start with these:
- Barbatos
- Dispater
- Mephistopheles

Whore Queens would also be easy:
- Ardad Lili
- Doloras
- Eiseth
- Mahathallah

There are only 4 of them, so...

Speaking of demons, devils and other outsider groups (yeah, yeah, people are fed up with these, but still...), how about these?
- Demon, Draco; a demon-dragon hybrid, associated with Dahak
- Demon, Scorpion; a scorpion demon, associated with Aldinach
- Demon, Necro; a demon-undead hybrid, associated with Orcus
- Demon, Vampire; a demon-vampire hybrid, associated with Zura
- Devil, Fly; a devil-housefly hybrid, associated with Baalzebul
- Devil, Seduction; a beautiful female devil, associated with Belial
- Devil, Snake; a snake-like devil, associated with Greyon
- Devil, Fire Bull; a flaming bull devil, associated with Moloch
- Daemon, Lightning Cannon; a hybrid between a cannon golem and a thundercloud, associated with Cixyron
- Daemon, Slaver; a collector daemon, associated with Jacarkas
- Daemon, Love; a beautiful female daemon, associated with Slandrais
- Daemon, Immolation; an immolated daemon, associated with Zelishkar

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1) It's highly unlikely they'd put the vast majority of those in a world-neutral Bestiary. If at all - and it's pretty doubtful most of them would be made at all - they'd almost certainly appear in an AP, most likely the one with a deity article for their associated demigod. Then their stripped-down version might appear in a Bestiary down the line.

2) A couple of those already exist (save for associating them with specific demigods).

Fly devil - see zebub/accuser devil, Bestiary 2.
Love daemon - see erodaemon, Book of the Damned 3: Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

3) I doubt Dahak involves himself much with demons at all. Sharing an alignment doesn't make them allies.

4) Based on everything we've seen of Hell so far, I doubt Belial's elite would be female. There's a reason the erinyes and handmaidens are so angry all the time - Hell is pretty down on females, even devils. Plus, I doubt Paizo would see the use for a LE succubus ripoff. The Creative Director hated 4e for changing succubi to devils.

In fact, if Belial had a favorite rank of devil, I'm guessing it would be the patraavexes, or "sire devils", from Cheliax, the Infernal Empire. Now that's how devils do it.

Sorry if I come off as a buzzkill - just trying to manage expectations. ^_^


Kalindlara wrote:
1) It's highly unlikely they'd put the vast majority of those in a world-neutral Bestiary. If at all - and it's pretty doubtful most of them would be made at all - they'd almost certainly appear in an AP, most likely the one with a deity article for their associated demigod. Then their stripped-down version might appear in a Bestiary down the line.

Aren't the planes rather campaign-neutral? We've gotten Demon Lords in B4, so any major fiend shouldn't be a problem, let alone associated creatures. All the deities that I've mentionned are devils, demons and daemons, which are campaign-neutral... so far...

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2) A couple of those already exist (save for associating them with specific demigods).

Fly devil - see zebub/accuser devil, Bestiary 2.
Love daemon - see erodaemon, Book of the Damned 3: Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

I've seen the Accuser Devil; I'm looking for a scavenger devil here basically. I have yet to see every daemon presented in booklets, although they do reprint some monsters, so...

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3) I doubt Dahak involves himself much with demons at all. Sharing an alignment doesn't make them allies.

Maybe it's 3.5 stigma or something, but I keep thinking that Dahak is the Paizo version of Tiamat, who was a goddess that made her realms in Hell. Could be wrong though... Then again, they didn't explain Apsu or Dahak in details yet.

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4) Based on everything we've seen of Hell so far, I doubt Belial's elite would be female. There's a reason the erinyes and handmaidens are so angry all the time - Hell is pretty down on females, even devils. Plus, I doubt Paizo would see the use for a LE succubus ripoff. The Creative Director hated 4e for changing succubi to devils.

In fact, if Belial had a favorite rank of devil, I'm guessing it would be the patraavexes, or "sire devils", from Cheliax, the Infernal Empire. Now that's how devils do it.

There was a Pleasure Devil on Fiendish Codex II - Tyrants of the Nine Hells, essentially a succubus lookalike. Also, I haven't check much related booklets recently...

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Sorry if I come off as a buzzkill - just trying to manage expectations. ^_^

Oh, no, no, that's okay, I'm not taking it personally ;)

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The planes are world-neutral, but not all of their occupants are. I think it has something to do with Product Identity as well - something about the copyright. I could be completely off-base, though...

Dahak is very much his own creature. We'll be learning more about him in a couple of months, in Inner Sea Faiths.

Fiendish Codex II was a WotC product from a different continuity. Paizo's design of Hell has much stronger themes of misogyny, and they tend toward a broader range of representation - a male seducer makes more sense for this version of Hell. Again, the patraavexes are a pretty strong contender for this role. (I know you haven't seen them yet.)

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The most likely appearances would be by those demigods who appear in the sidebars in the Bestiary entries, and also appear in Golarion continuity. For devils, Dispater, Moloch, and Baalzebul; for demons... well, we've already seen a few. (Reprints from Wrath of the Righteous are possible, though.)

I find it interesting that Bestiary 2 doesn't use proper names for any of the Horsemen. Again, I think some sort of copyright/Product Identity thing is afoot.


Speaking of copyright/product identity, while reviewing Bestiary 1 last night I noticed that none of the Archon Empyreal Lords mentioned ever actually appeared in Chronicles of the Righteous. Only a single Azata EL (Cerrunos) continued. Almost all of the demon lords (except Demogorgon) made it to the Book of the Damned. Most of the big devils didn't.

I wonder what happened there.


That is a very interesting question Slithery D.

I wonder what creatures from old movies and books can still be used in future bestiaries that haven't yet.


Dragon78 wrote:

That is a very interesting question Slithery D.

I wonder what creatures from old movies and books can still be used in future bestiaries that haven't yet.

Have we had a Beast from 20,000 Fathoms or a Giant Behemoth type critter yet? I don't think either would be kaiju, and they both had environmental side effects that would challenge a mid level party (airborne disease from the Beast's blood and the GB's radioactivity)


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New updated Bestiary VI Wishlist:

Berselius's Bestiary VI Wishlist:
Agathion, Serpental: Snake-like occult Agathions that direct, manage, and aid the Reptials in the collecting and usage of holy relics.

Agathion, Artiodactal: Bison-like Agathion that serve as elite shock troops in the armies of Nirvana.

Agathion, Ceratonal: Rhino-like Agathion that act as commanders and generals in the armies of Nirvana.

Agathion, Loxonal: Elephant-like Agathion eclipsed in power only by the Draconals.

Angel, Azrael: Angels of death who guide, guard, and advocate for the souls of particularly pious mortals.

Angel, Hashmal: Lion-headed angels of thunder and lightning who judge souls seeking to ascend to a higher level of being.

Angel, Kherub: Powerful four-winged occult angels that surround themselves with three ectoplasmic phantom-like animal aspects.

Angel, Seraph: Angels of flame and war with an aura of heavenly fire that can scorch even devils while at the same time healing the righteous.

Archon, Blade: Archons of steel and swords whose "heavenly pinwheels" can shred nearby fiends to ribbons.

Archon, Evangelizer: Archons whose possess an ability similar to the Deimauiggas of Hell in that they can permanently shift a creatures alignment one step towards lawful good.

Archon, Monarch: Archons seated on heavenly thrones whose surpass even the Star Archons in power and grace.

Azata, Ariel: Azata with an affinity with wood of the forests, the beasts of nature, and the stone of the Earth.

Azata, Tharsis: Aquatic azata whoo aid the inhabitants of underwater settlements as well as safeguard and protect coastal communities.

Azata, Erelim: Courageous Azata that ride upon their summoned Sleipnirs seeking evil to slay.

Daemon, Makhai: These occult daemons are born from the souls of evil mortals that died in the arms of another evil soul. As such, it possesses a physical form as well as a ectoplasmic phantom that is literally stitched into it's flesh.

Demon, Enenra: Also called "Smoke Demons", these denizens of the Abyss are attracted to flame based demons of even greater power.

Devil, Addiction (Atropocustra): These insectoid devils spread the will of hell with their powerful narcotics, forcing those addicted to their drugs to serve the whims of the Archdevils.

Devil, Crusader (Ascensoriel): These centaur-like devils act as advanced cavalry and elite shock troops for the forces of Hell.

Devil, Desert (Ghalshoaton): Crocodile-like devils who bear a potent weakness to holy water and seek to tempt the inhabitants of desert kingdoms into following the will of Hell.

Devil, Hellforge (Savnogon): These devils work the infernal forges of Hell, are covered in wrought iron, and reek of fire and brimstone.

Devil, Hunter (Edavagor): These huge, two headed wolves act as tireless plane-hopping hunters of lost souls and escaped devils who have betrayed the powers of Hell.

Devil, Physician (Paigeon): Just as Contract Devils tempt with bargains and Cabal Devils tempt with promises of arcane power, so to do the Physician Devils tempt with promises of healing.

Devil, Rumor (Dababum): These sinister, rat-like Devils exist to slander and ruin the names and reputations of the enemies of Hell.

Devil, Seduction (Lilim): Created from especially wicked female souls claimed by the Whore Queen Ardad Lili, these seductive female Devils exist solely to tempt men with physical pleasure.

Div, Arzshenk: Fiendish minotaur-like Div that act in the same way as Cornugons do for Devils; leading entire companies of Div in their assaults upon the material plane and genie kind.

Div, Asdeev: These very powerful dragon-like Div serve as monstrous war machines to assail the fortresses of genie and mortal kind.

Div, Fulad-Zereh: These Divs appear to be sentient moving suits of living armor and can in fact be worn by other Div.

Dragon, Meteor: Also known as "Gaasyendietha" by the natives of mountain and interstellar communities, these rocky dragons are capable of interstellar travel and love to stargaze and seek out knowledge hidden amongst the various worlds of the material plane. It is advised to not anger them though as they can be selfish, are huge in size, and bear devastating breath weapons of red hot flaming rocks resembling a meteor shower.

Dragon, Song: Sometimes called "Cirein Croin" by natives of certain coastal regions of the world, these silvery, sinewy, shape changing dragons love the sea, are very much benevolent, and are fascinated by humanity. Known for assuming various human forms to venture into humanoid societies, they are capable of sustaining themselves off of human food indefinitely. Their natural forms are as large as Spine Dragons, with breath weapons of electrified gas and potent bard-like performance abilities that can inspire their allies to feats of greatness.

Gargoyle, Gargouille: Large, dragon-shaped gargoyles that possess the ability to command their lesser kin as well as shoot a powerful jet of bludgeoning water from their snouts.

Gigas, Boneyard: Mysterious and inscrutable, these gaunt gargantuan giants are clothed in flowing red robes and go about a mysterious agenda that even the Psychopomps aren't aware of.

Gigas, Elysium: These Fair and mighty gargantuan giants serve the Elysian Titans and the other good-aligned powers of the Plane of Elysium in eliminating evil.

Gigas, Negative Energy (Necrophyscian): These skeletal gargantuan giants have rotting flesh, jutting bones, and a horrifically grotesque grin upon all their wide eye-stitched faces.

Gigas, Nirvana: Mysterious and mystic gargantuan giants that roam Nirvana and the Material Plane forever altering the landscape with their dreaming.

Gigas, Positive Energy (Lumigen): Devoted to the creation of life, these gargantuan giants of white hot flame roam the multiverse creating and enhancing life whether they trod.

Kallikantzaros: An evil fey of winter that exists in the vast tundras and winter kingdoms of the First World and despises all plant life and those that serve nature.

Merfolk, Zitiron: Merfolk born with fearsome features (fanged mouths, scaly skin, clawed hands) who are the valued protectors and bodyguards of the Merfolk race. Other races sometimes call them "finheads" as a derogatory term.

Ogre, Dragon: These rare Ogres are larger, have four legged dragon-like lower halves, and their upper halves will have fearsome reptilian features.

Unicorn, Bicorne: These two-horned horses are also known as celestial chargers, are larger and more powerful than regular unicorns, and are often used as mounts by powerful celestials.


I would like to see the Gargouille, Bicorn, and all the Gigas mentioned.

I would like to see a good aligned cold based fey for once and some more fire based (good and evil)fey as well.

Some more fox based monsters would be nice.


Mechagamera wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
That is a very interesting question Slithery D. I wonder what creatures from old movies and books can still be used in future bestiaries that haven't yet.
Have we had a Beast from 20,000 Fathoms or a Giant Behemoth type critter yet? I don't think either would be kaiju, and they both had environmental side effects that would challenge a mid level party (airborne disease from the Beast's blood and the GB's radioactivity)

Sort of, we have the following: Kraken (and it's Elder Kraken variant [if your GM is feeling particularly nasty]), Charybdis, Scylla, Giant Octopus, Giant Squid (that's the beastie from Ten Thousand Leagues Under the Sea [aka Captain Nemo, the Nautilus, etc etc]), and Thalassic Behemoth (again, if your GM is in a really bad mood).

Also, while TECHNICALLY not a natural denizen of the sea, you also have the Star Spawn of Cthulhu.


Though we could use a flying space octopus of some kind. Something that has nothing to do with Lovecraft or the Dominion of the Black.

How about a sea monster that looks like the Clash of the Titans(1980's) version of the Kraken.

I would love to see a creature like the one in the movie "This Island Earth".


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Berselius wrote:
Mechagamera wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
That is a very interesting question Slithery D. I wonder what creatures from old movies and books can still be used in future bestiaries that haven't yet.
Have we had a Beast from 20,000 Fathoms or a Giant Behemoth type critter yet? I don't think either would be kaiju, and they both had environmental side effects that would challenge a mid level party (airborne disease from the Beast's blood and the GB's radioactivity)

Sort of, we have the following: Kraken (and it's Elder Kraken variant [if your GM is feeling particularly nasty]), Charybdis, Scylla, Giant Octopus, Giant Squid (that's the beastie from Ten Thousand Leagues Under the Sea [aka Captain Nemo, the Nautilus, etc etc]), and Thalassic Behemoth (again, if your GM is in a really bad mood).

Also, while TECHNICALLY not a natural denizen of the sea, you also have the Star Spawn of Cthulhu.

Those are great It Came from Beneath the Sea monsters (which was also a good old movie), but the Rhedosaurus from the Beast from 20K Fathoms and the Paleosaurus from the Giant Behemoth are more extra sized aquatic dinosaurs that come out of the water and eat a bunch of people. Neither was kaiju tough, but they would make nice mid level monsters.


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New updated Bestiary VI Wishlist:

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Very interesting list. Well thought out concepts. The only nitpick I have is that the Enenra of mythology is benevolent, so I wouldn't want to see it as a demon. I'd rather see it be a good aligned elemental. I wouldn't mind smoke demons, though. Maybe Brollachan or something similar as the name?


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Berselius wrote:

New updated Bestiary VI Wishlist:

** spoiler omitted **...

Those, uh, Dragon Ogres kinda seem familiar, in a "please don't litigate" sort of way.

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Berselius wrote:

New updated Bestiary VI Wishlist:

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I don't know if they could get away with a song dragon that close to the Forgotten Realms version...


I am sure they could make a musical dragon and call it something else. It doesn't even have to be a true dragon.

So were is the "dragon ogres" from then?


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Dragon78 wrote:
So were is the "dragon ogres" from then?

A longstanding unit on Warhammer Fantasy Chaos armies...

Perhaps the favored design would have a more draconic humanoid torso than what GW came up with, but the name is identical and the concept is quite similar.


Dragon78 wrote:
it doesn't change the fact that there is no art for female angels in the hardcover bestiaries.

If we want to be nitpicky, there's Vildeis from the Bestiary 4 that is an Angel Empyreal Lord of female appearance


I did say angels, not Empyreal Lords, and too be honest she looks more like a kyton trying to be an angel.


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Dragon78 wrote:
I did say angels, not Empyreal Lords, and too be honest she looks more like a kyton trying to be an angel.

She has the Angel subtype. She's an angel.


She is a unique creature with an angel subtype not an entire species(or sub species) of angel. She is not attractive and you can barely tell she is female.

Would still like to see fey versions of goblins, orcs, centaurs, merfolk, willow o' wisp, hags, and yuki-onna. Maybe if they ever do a monster unchained book.


I figured the Choral Angel in B5 was female, since they were in Chronicles of the Righteous, but no, it's a guy in that book.


Yeah they changed the art for B5...unfortunately.


Once again I make my plea for the vampire unicorn.

Vampire Unicorn
It loos like a unicorn, but emaciated, and it's horn looks like a rino's tusk. It's tail, mane,
and goatee are all black. It's eyes are red.

Name: Vampire Unicorn CR: 7

Type:Undead Terrain: Forrest Climate: Temperate

XP: 3,200

Alignment: CE Size: Large Type(Subtype): Undead Undead(Augmented Beast)

Init: +3 ; Senses dkvsn 60 ft. Low light, scent Perception +10
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Defense

AC 23 Touch 14 Flat footed 20 ;(+3dex,+9natural,-1size;+2 deflection )

Hp 32 ( 4 d 8 + 12 ) Fast healing 5

Fort +7 ,Ref +7 ,Will +6
DA: Channel Resistance+4, DR 10/Magic and Silver; Immune Undead Traits,
Resist Cold 10, Electricity 10
Weaknesses, Vampire Weaknsses

Offense
Powerful charge(Gore,2D8+8)

Speed 60

Melee gore +8(1D8+4),2 holves +4(1D3+2)
Energy Drain, 2 levels once a round.

Space 10 Reach 5feet

Special Attacks, Powerful charge(Gore,2D8+8)

Spell-Like Abilities(CL9th)
At will-detect Good(Free Action),darkness
3/day-Cause light wounds
1/day-cause moderate wounds,Greater Teleport(Within the forrest it once lived in), poison(DC21)

Statistics

Str 24 ,Dex 21 ,Con - ,Int 13 ,Wis 23 ,Cha 28

Base Atk. +4 ;CMB +9 ;CMD 22(26 vs. trip

Feats, Multiattack, Weapon Focus (horn)

Skills Acrobatics +8, Bluff+8, Perception +18, Sense Motive +8, Stealth +16,
Survival +7(+10 in forrests),
Racial Modifiers +3Survival, +4 Stealth

Languages Common and Sylvan

SQ Magical Strike(Magical and Evil) Wild Empathy +17

Ecology Temperate Forrests, Dungeons, Underdark

Environment Forrest(at night of course)

Organization Solitary or family(vampire plus 2-8 spawn)

Treasure Usually none

Special Abilities
Magic circle against good(SU)
Magical Strike (EX) Its gore attack is treated as a magic evil weapon for the purposes of damage
reduction.
Wild Empathy(SU)They retain their wild empathy because they are defending nature in their own
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When a unicorn dies there is a chance it will rise as a vampire to seek it's revenge. It feeds only on humaniods and domestic animals. It cannot turn it's fellow unicorns unless they are already dead. It can turn other sorts of horses, cows, mules, ect. It cannot take back it's original horn, but
it will seek the one who took it. They may serve as mounts for winter druids or Gnoll rangers.

This would so fit the horror genera.

Did someone say Golem Swarm?
Metallic Swarm
This mass of ant sized metal golems looks like a blob of glitter. What fits in a 5 foot square has 2D10 and has 10 hits. It has a speed of 20/climb 20 halved by electrical damage. Fire damage heals them up to 20(Dice max). As sort of Iron golems, they can only be harmed by things that don't allow spell resistance. They do 1D6 to objects ignoring hardness a round. They use this material to repair the dungeon. Usually encountered in 2D6 swarms.

It's from The Cleaves but it can be adapted to anything.


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I would like to see the Greek myth style of Amazons as in a race of warrior woman with high physical stats, immune to aging(magical or mundane), and maybe 1 mythic rank.

A type of titan that comes in four flavors(air, earth, water, or fire), is CN, and is Colossal size. Basically one monster entry, two pages, with a listing of each elemental variant's abilities at the end.

I would like to see a cycloptic centaur creature like the one from the Golden Voyage of Sinbad.

I would like to see fey that are from other lands like Arcadia, Tian Xia, etc. and other planets like Castrovel, Akiton, etc..


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Dragon78 wrote:
I would like to see the Greek myth style of Amazons as in a race of warrior woman with high physical stats, immune to aging(magical or mundane), and maybe 1 mythic rank.

Basically... you want the female version of the Udaeus :P

Jokes aside, the Udaeus does look like a warbred human, especially with the Spartan/Hoplite design ;)

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A type of titan that comes in four flavors(air, earth, water, or fire), is CN, and is Colossal size. Basically one monster entry, two pages, with a listing of each elemental variant's abilities at the end.

The Gigas (in general) were presented in Pathfinder #96: Shadow of the Storm Tyrant. They are a subclass of extraplanar giants, Gargantuan in size... or bigger. Since elementals are now outsiders in Pathfinder, it would fit perfectly.

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I would like to see a cycloptic centaur creature like the one from the Golden Voyage of Sinbad.

Hmmm... never heard of it before, it sounds nice ;)

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I would like to see fey that are from other lands like Arcadia, Tian Xia, etc. and other planets like Castrovel, Akiton, etc..

Tian Xia has been getting a LOT of Asian-inspired creatures likely, fey included. I'm sure we'll get more ^_^ The extraterrestrial vreatures have been shown more too.


I know what gigas are and have asked for them as well, what I am asking for right now is a type of titan.

I have not seen a single Tian Xia style fey or any alien fey.

I want something different for the Amazon then the Udaeus or human woman with the advanced template.

Would also like to see giants based on other races and some alien species as well.


The main reason there isn't really any Tian Xia style fey is because they are instead native outsiders (imo all fey Should be native outsiders instead... but still).


I highly disagree that fey should be outsiders, if anything I would get rid of the outsider type and just keep the extra planar subtype.

I am well aware of the kami but they could still have some fey in Tian Xia.


Dragon78 wrote:
I highly disagree that fey should be outsiders, if anything I would get rid of the outsider type and just keep the extra planar subtype.

I still don't understand why fey is a type.... The niche they fill flavourwise is effectively "Outsider but of the material plane." but that's what a native outsider is.


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Milo v3 wrote:
I still don't understand why fey is a type.... The niche they fill flavourwise is effectively "Outsider but of the material plane." but that's what a native outsider is.

It's probably there to protect them from some unintended rules interaction.


Cole Deschain wrote:
It's probably there to protect them from some unintended rules interaction.

As far as I can tell turning them into native outsiders makes fey have slightly better stats because Outsider HD is more optimal than Fey HD (paizo is fine doing this, they did it to elementals), and you have to tweak Resist Nature's Lure.

Personally, my theory on why it's a type is because they made the Fey type before Outsider (Native) existed, made Native outsider mechanics for aasimars, tieflings and tritons and then didn't realise the overlap.

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In 3.5, the First World wasn't a thing - there was nothing "outsider" about the fey. Paizo may not have wanted to replace the fey type (one of the weakest) with the outsider type (one of the strongest, even with their revisions) when making the change from 3.5.

Just speculation, though. ^_^


Kalindlara wrote:
In 3.5, the First World wasn't a thing - there was nothing "outsider" about the fey.

I wasn't even talking first world. I mean, fey in D&D is "Nature spirits", they are basically outsiders but instead of being tied to an outer plane like an angel or devil, they are tied to the material plane. It just happens that... that's a thing in 3.5e and pathfinder. So you have "Things that are basically outsiders of the material plane" which are different to these other things that are "Outsiders of the material plane".


We have enough outsiders as is anyway, don't need add to the most numerous creature type there is.

If anything Kami should have been fey.

If there going to change creature types then get rid of monstrous humanoid since it only exists to give humanoids better HD/BA.

Also make vermin a subtype of the animal type.

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Milo: Hm. Never thought of it that way. ^_^

I think they'd need a better name than "outsider" at that point, though. Maybe Spirit, since many of the native outsiders without extraplanar ties (such as kami or rakshasas) would fit into that category well enough.


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We have enough outsiders as is anyway, don't need add to the most numerous creature type there is.

Nah, we still need more. :P

I love my planar adventures.

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If anything Kami should have been fey.

Kami are gods, and not necessarily nature one, since there's kami of things like temple doors and umbrellas... Not really fitting for fey. That's partly my issue. I mean, all fey could easily be native outsiders, but most native outsiders don't really fit as fey.

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Also make vermin a subtype of the animal type.

This I definitely agree with.

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I think they'd need a better name than "outsider" at that point, though. Maybe Spirit, since many of the native outsiders without extraplanar ties (such as kami or rakshasas) would fit into that category well enough.

Yes, native outsider is a very paradoxical descriptor.

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