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How is it fluff when it tells you what to do as a swift action? That's a mechanic, not fluff.I am saying, how do you shift your grip on an unarmed strike?
The feat works with unarmed strikes, and many other weapons you don't grip.
I don't see a "gripped only" restriction.
Yes. Some people cannot look past the fluff at all.
Blows their damn minds.
So, what about those weapons not "gripped"?
Damage reduces a target's current hit points.
The most common way that your character gets hurt is to take lethal damage and lose hit points.
So apparently Fireball and Lightning Bolt and Burning Hands can never hurt someone as they never deal damage.
/sarcasmIf it can cause hit point loss it is a form of damage. I'm not following.
We even have spells such as Icicle Dagger
The dagger deals 1 point of cold damage in addition to normal dagger damage.
Much like the Battle Poi or the Battle Aspergillum.
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What, explicitly, is the thing you are looking for?
"Type" has a specific meaning when used to define damage. I have shown the rules that say that.
Fire et al. are Energy damage for the definitions of this game, while Type damage are B/P/S. So find a piece of text that define energy damage as a type of damage, something that isn't a a table heading used for simplicity.
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For those saying energy damage is not weapon damage, see the Warpriest sacred weapon ability.
Sacred Weapon (Su): At 1st level, weapons wielded by a warpriest are charged with the power of his faith. In addition to the favored weapon of his deity, the warpriest can designate a weapon as a sacred weapon by selecting that weapon with the Weapon Focus feat; if he has multiple Weapon Focus feats, this ability applies to all of them. Whenever the warpriest hits with his sacred weapon, the weapon damage is based on his level and not the weapon type. The damage for Medium warpriests is given on the table above; see the table below for Small and Large warpriests. The warpriest can decide to use the weapon's base damage instead of the sacred weapon damage—this decision must be declared before the attack roll is made. (If the weapon's base damage exceeds the sacred weapon damage, its damage is unchanged.) This increase in damage does not affect any other aspect of the weapon, and doesn't apply to alchemical items, bombs, or other weapons that deal only energy damage.
Since Sacred Weapon specifically calls out that it does not apply to weapons that deal only energy damage, that means that without that kind of disclaimer, then any other weapon feat or ability would apply to a weapon that did energy damage unless it also had that disclaimer.
Even "untyped" is a damage type.
For those saying energy damage is not weapon damage, see the Warpriest sacred weapon ability.
Sacred Weapon (Su): At 1st level, weapons wielded by a warpriest are charged with the power of his faith. In addition to the favored weapon of his deity, the warpriest can designate a weapon as a sacred weapon by selecting that weapon with the Weapon Focus feat; if he has multiple Weapon Focus feats, this ability applies to all of them. Whenever the warpriest hits with his sacred weapon, the weapon damage is based on his level and not the weapon type. The damage for Medium warpriests is given on the table above; see the table below for Small and Large warpriests. The warpriest can decide to use the weapon's base damage instead of the sacred weapon damage—this decision must be declared before the attack roll is made. (If the weapon's base damage exceeds the sacred weapon damage, its damage is unchanged.) This increase in damage does not affect any other aspect of the weapon, and doesn't apply to alchemical items, bombs, or other weapons that deal only energy damage.Since Sacred Weapon specifically calls out that it does not apply to weapons that deal only energy damage, that means that without that kind of disclaimer, then any other weapon feat or ability would apply to a weapon that did energy damage unless it also had that disclaimer.
Nice catch. Always impressed when people find rules support in strange places
You can find "rules support" for some ridiculous things. But if you really think about it...you come back to earth.
This Channel Ray fiasco is an excellent example of ridiculous. Changing positive energy to B/P/S with Weapon Versatility? Perhaps it is possible RAW, but not RAI. There is such thing as "common sense" even in RPGs...
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You can find "rules support" for some ridiculous things. But if you really think about it...you come back to earth.
This Channel Ray fiasco is an excellent example of ridiculous. Changing positive energy to B/P/S with Weapon Versatility? Perhaps it is possible RAW, but not RAI. There is such thing as "common sense" even in RPGs...
Like all damage being P/B/S or Untyped?
I think it's really just an issue of some people looking at rules questions like this from different perspectives. If I, for example, look at the interaction between these two rules elements and decide there is no real game consequence to channeling piercing damage, then fine.
Someone other than myself might think, "You can't channel piercing damage! That doesn't make sense!" Who is right? To some degree, I think both are. There's no real danger in channeling piercing damage, in fact it may cause Dr problems for you, but it is hard to figure out how energy is generating kinetic damage.
I guess it's just up to you whether that is worth whipping out the ban hammer.
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For those saying energy damage is not weapon damage, see the Warpriest sacred weapon ability.
Sacred Weapon (Su): At 1st level, weapons wielded by a warpriest are charged with the power of his faith. In addition to the favored weapon of his deity, the warpriest can designate a weapon as a sacred weapon by selecting that weapon with the Weapon Focus feat; if he has multiple Weapon Focus feats, this ability applies to all of them. Whenever the warpriest hits with his sacred weapon, the weapon damage is based on his level and not the weapon type. The damage for Medium warpriests is given on the table above; see the table below for Small and Large warpriests. The warpriest can decide to use the weapon's base damage instead of the sacred weapon damage—this decision must be declared before the attack roll is made. (If the weapon's base damage exceeds the sacred weapon damage, its damage is unchanged.) This increase in damage does not affect any other aspect of the weapon, and doesn't apply to alchemical items, bombs, or other weapons that deal only energy damage.Since Sacred Weapon specifically calls out that it does not apply to weapons that deal only energy damage, that means that without that kind of disclaimer, then any other weapon feat or ability would apply to a weapon that did energy damage unless it also had that disclaimer.
Again this confusion.
We are speaking fo the damage type, a SPECIFIC term in the game.
That rule don't say anything about the damage type, it speak of damage dealt.
Those are different things.
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Well, there is the Battle Poi, Fire Lance, and Flask Thrower.
All are usable with Weapon Versatility, and do not deal B/P/S.
And here you fail:
Fire lance Type P
Fire Lance: This primitive firearm is nothing more than a long tube that, when ignited, propels a short gout of flame and a javelin. Unlike other firearms, the fire lance is wildly imprecise, and targets AC rather than touch AC. A fire lance is always treated as having the broken condition for the purpose of determining the effects of a misfire. A fire lances uses a javelin and 2 doses of black powder as ammunition.
Flask Thrower - see text
Benefit: A flask thrower significantly extends the range of thrown substances that deal splash damage, such as acid, alchemist’s fire, or holy water, as well as that of tools such as tanglefoot bags, thunderstones, or caltrops.
It throw splash weapons, that do their kind of damage, but don't have a damage type.
You guys are unable to differentiate damage type, a definition used in the game for B/P/S damage, and type of damage, a colloquial term.
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Kazaan: What about this?
Although the Bestiary definition of Damage Reduction (page 299) says "The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities," that's actually just referring to damage that isn't specifically called out as being of In other words, DR doesn't protect against "typeless damage" from magical attacks.
Half citations, the way to victory ...
How does DR interact with magical effects that deal bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage?
Although the Bestiary definition of Damage Reduction (page 299) says "The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities," that's actually just referring to damage that isn't specifically called out as being of a particular type, such as fire damage or piercing damage. In other words, DR doesn't protect against "typeless damage" from magical attacks.
However, if a magical attack specifically mentions that it deals bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage, DR affects that damage normally, as if it were from a physical weapon. (Otherwise the magical attack might as well not have a damage type, as it would only interface with B/P/S damage in a very few corner cases, such as whether or not an ooze splits from that attack.)
For example, the ice storm spell deals 3d6 points of bludgeoning damage and 2d6 points of cold damage. If you cast ice storm at a group of zombies, the zombie's DR 5/slashing protects them against 5 points of the spell's bludgeoning damage. Their DR doesn't help them against the spell's cold damage because DR doesn't apply to energy attacks.
And again, you are mixing the damage type with type of damage.
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"Type: Weapons are classified according to the type of damage they deal: B for bludgeoning, P for piercing, or S for slashing."
Those are the types of damage that a weapon can have as its Damage Type.
That is completely ignoring the Technology Guide, which clearly states energy types as Damage Type, as I have quoted above.
"Damage Type" and "Type of Damage" are synonymous and can be used interchangeably.
Hmmm, with this Feat, you can use channel energy as a ray, which can crit.
So, if using this to heal an ally, and you roll a 20 on your ranged touch attack and confirm, do you double your healing dice?
It states: "You need not make an attack roll to affect a willing creature with the ray."
By that wording, you could choose to make an attack roll.
Also, a target you are attempting to heal may not be willing; they may be in a combat and do not know you are attempting to heal them, they just see a ray of energy coming at them and attempt to move out of the way...
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I don't understand how you can say, a damage has no type, but is not untyped.
This really sounds like some hard rule-lawyering, just to get one feat combination not to work.
Back it up with moans, groans, and "like, oh my gawd, like, so obvi", and boy, does make it hard to see the other viewpoint here without prejudice.
no we don't. rays are weapons, fireballs aren't
Sorry in advance if I missed it in the post. But how do you crit on a ray attack ? Is a ray a weapon with a 2x multiplier ?
Sorry in advance if I missed it in the post. But how do you crit on a ray attack ? Is a ray a weapon with a 2x multiplier ?
Yes, under ray:
If a ray spell deals damage, you can score a critical hit just as if it were a weapon. A ray spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit.Which answers my own question above, since the heal isn't doing damage, it cannot crit, sigh...
I see it like this:
Physical Damage comes in three varieties; Bludgeoning, Piercing and Slashing
Energy Damage comes in quite a few varieties. Among these are Fire, Cold, Electricity, Acid, Positive Energy, Negative Energy.
A flaming longsword normally does slashing physical damage and some additional fire energy damage. Using the weapon versatility feat with the weapon allows one to change the slashing physical damage into one of the other two varieties (bludgeoning or Piercing) but does NOT allow you to change the fire energy damage to another sort.