Baddly needed - a guide to the boons and where to find them.


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Baddly needed - a guide to the boons and where to find them.

The local group of players read something aloud that stopped me from signing up. "If you want to play x-y-z, you need to have a chronicle sheet with that boon on it."

well, I would like to play a catfolk brawler.

my question is what PFS sanctioned adventure, module, map pack, flip mat, Fiction novel, shirt, button, bag, plushy, miniature, character folio, dice, glass bead counters, etc...

will allow me to do so.

I would really like a list of the boons so I can play the character that I WANT TO PLAY: Not a gunslinger, not a bomb lobber, not a Tech-thief Numerian scavenger, nor a ninja, or Ronin or other Sword and sorcery breaking character.

I think it would be the lowest form of BULLCRAP to require a boon to make a legal character of XYZ, when NO SUCH BOON EXISTS!

Grand Lodge 5/5

I believe Catfolk was a one off charity auction boon at GenCon in either 2013 or 2014.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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There's always the Beastbrood Tiefling(the example image looked like a fuzzy Sigourney Weaver) if Catfolk's unavailable. You'll need a boon to make a tiefling too. Here's most of the boons. It seems like you'd need the Taint of the Lower Planes from 2011.

Grand Lodge

Harrowed-Path wrote:
Michael Meunier wrote:
I believe Catfolk was a one off charity auction boon at GenCon in either 2013 or 2014.

So... It requires a boon to make a legal character of XYZ, when NO SUCH BOON is available. There goes one thing I wanted to try.

I still would like a list of what is Do-able now.
Not a list of what I cannot do (*unless I somehow excrete a time machine and a bundle of skrilla*)

Real life has enough disappointment, why should escapism join the ranks of restrictive and uncomfortable things?

That is one gift I won't buy for others and *WILL* return if someone got it for me.

Open some doors, make a seat at the table - otherwise, I may as well go home.

The list of what you can do is ludicrously long, and exists as the Additional resources. (Some books list things by what you can't do some by what you can)

But some of what you are looking for
Alignment - Any non-evil
Classes - Any except for Antipaladin (which requires evil- so it's out) and the APG Summoner (only the Unchained Summoner is legal for new characters)
Archetypes - case by case basis - more are legal than not but some are banned, for a variety of reasons
Races - Without Boons
(always available) - Human, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, Dwarf, Elf, Halfling, Gnome
(currently available - subject to change generally at GenCon if they do) - Tengu, Kitsune, Wayang, Nagaji (at least 3 of the 4 were boons before)
(formerly available, now boon only) Aasimar and Tiefling
Boon Only (not including charity boons)
Ratfolk, Samsaran, Vishkanya, Oread, Sylph, Ifrit, Undine, Suli, Goblin (incredibly rare), Dhampir, Changeling, Skinwalker (honestly I think this is an incomplete list, but can't think of what I'm missing)
Items - again a case by case basis but far more often than not they are legal
Spells - again a case by case basis but far more often than not they are legal
Traits - again a case by case basis but far more often than not they are legal
Sources - As many as you own have something legal in them.

Honestly, outside of race choices PFS is far more permissive than any homegame I've ever participated in. As far as I can tell race restrictions fall into a number of overlapping ideas (mind you this is 100% my take). 1. The core races are the most common races thus they should comprise the majority of the society. (Hence them being always available). 2. Less common races should exist as well but less frequently (Thus they've been added a certain number of less common races to the always available list (currently Tengu, Wayang, Kitsune, and Nagaji, though I personally hope they change next GenCon) and additional races as GM boons - now while this distribution is a hot topic it does happen) 3. Certain races shouldn't be playable - (a number of things could go into this decision - they are above the power curve (Munavari and Azlanti at the very least), they have some aspect that is troublesome for a cooperative game (evil race, hatred of a core species, etc.), reserved for usage as NPCs, reserved for later introduction, reserved for boons, etc.)

I'm sorry that you feel that PFS isn't for you based on a single race restriction. I hope you give it a try anyway, but if not that's understandable.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Harrowed-Path,

There are reasons why, for PFS, certain parts of available resources are not allowed. Many people may not agree with the reasons but they are there. I believe the main reason is for balance across ALL tables and players who are playing PFS.

If you really want to play a race, try and get some people together and play a non-PFS game (ie Home game). This would allow you to use what you would like as long as the DM allows it. There are options where you can play in campaign mod with non-PFS legal stuff but apply credit to PFS-legal characters.

I am sorry that you are so upset by the decisions made about what is legal in the PFS world. But as Joe pointed out, there are a LOT of options that can be explored. And gte rules for PFS are always evolving and I like to think that catfolk will be added to the campaign at some point.

I agree that it is very frustrating for a new player (I consider myself one) to understand and get the boons/resources needed to play a certain character that other players seem to have at will.

Also, you don't have to go to the major cons to get boons. Local cons have them too. But it is my understanding that race boons are give to GMs, not to the players. But I could be wrong on that.

Please stick with it. There is a lot of exploring that can be done.

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Unfortunately Pathfinder Society isn't for everyone. The rules and regulations for pathfinder society are to try and ensure that players all have a fun experience while playing in a Golarion themed world. While Catfolk are a popular choice for players to want to play they are extremely rare on Golarion and as such they are not fitting as a common race available for play.

If your local group is making you feel unwelcome you should try to contact your local Venture officer and have a talk with them. No group should make you feel unwelcome especially when you are trying to help out by offering to GM. All players and Gms should feel welcome as long as the are following the Organized Play rules. You should be no exception to that.

Grand Lodge

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While it's not the medium I personally like to use, everyone can attend online cons:

There even has been a nice blog about it Here

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Jeffrey Fox wrote:

Unfortunately Pathfinder Society isn't for everyone. The rules and regulations for pathfinder society are to try and ensure that players all have a fun experience while playing in a Golarion themed world. While Catfolk are a popular choice for players to want to play they are extremely rare on Golarion and as such they are not fitting as a common race available for play.

If your local group is making you feel unwelcome you should try to contact your local Venture officer and have a talk with them. No group should make you feel unwelcome especially when you are trying to help out by offering to GM. All players and Gms should feel welcome as long as the are following the Organized Play rules. You should be no exception to that.

The frustration indicated by the original poster has been felt by a multitude of parties, and is one of the reasons I was hesitant to begin play.

It also lead to 'grandfathering' 'abuses' when word comes down about races about to go into retirement, because some of the races on the Featured/Uncommon list are fun to play and/or the favorites of certain players.

Edit: SEE: Campaign reaction to mad dash to qualify Aasimar and Tieflings before the cut-off, and subsequent reaction by insisting they play three scenarios before they're 'locked' to the campaign./Edit

I know for a fact if I had shelled out the money for the Core Rulebook, the Advanced Race Guide, the Advanced Class Guide alone (needed for a catfolk brawler) and then showed up at a convention to play PFS with no knowledge of the campaign rules beyond 'You need to have the books' it'd be a horrifically BAD form of Customer Service and I'd probably be no small bit of cheesed off.

There's been some good advice here, but there also needs to be some way to bring the races that have been highlighted (like catfolk) into play beyond a single charity auction boon or GMing -- I could easily see someone volunteering to GM to *get* a boon at a convention and being told "Oh, we don't want you to run this cold, sorry. Would you like to play a pregen in one of the tables we have?"

Edit: We all want to have fun, and being involved with the leadership is awesome if folks have time for it, and mad props to the GMs that are allowed to run games. But at the same time, if there's no local recourse, going straight to the Organized play coordinator could cause even MORE difficulty for someone seeking local play.

Nice offer on the online play, by the way, but should also be noted not everyone has perfect times or schedules for VTT, or even the net connectivity for Play By Post (Yes, there are still people on dial-up out there)./Edit

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Hello again, Harrowed_Path.

I am sorry to hear you haven't been welcomed by your local community. But the people responding to you here (and in your other thread) are not those people, and we don't deserve the level of animosity that you've presented.

Again, if you had presented your initial post as a polite request, you would have received a polite answer. The Community has put together a list of available Boons (linked for you earlier), and most likely if you're looking for any other such lists we'll happily provide them for you as well.

Although PFS isn't for everyone, and it might not be for you, we'd still like you to give us a try.

Perhaps put the Catfolk idea on the back burner for now? What other ideas can we help you with?

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There is also a reason, in response to the question about boons and where to find them, that scenario boons are supposed to be kept 'quiet' for those who have played or GM'd them only.

If everyone knows 'Cool Item X' is in 'Scenario 3', then EVERYONE is going to want to play 'Scenario 3', and no one is going to want to play 'Scenario 1, 2, etc'.

It's called 'chronicle fishing' when it refers to items in a Chronicle.

Without opening that can of worms, let's just say it's a steaming mess.

Shadow Lodge

You can still make a brawler that isn't Catfolk. You can see all the different characters possible in the Additional Resources and the Guide to PFS. It's HUGE. There are tons of ideas. I'm sorry you can't play a catfolk, but there are many, many other things you can choose.

Believe me, there's no need to go boon hunting when you're starting out. See what you can do with what's available. Something's bound to speak with you.

If you choose to be dead-set on creating the Catfolk brawler and nothing else, nada... that's your own fault.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Jeffrey Fox wrote:

Unfortunately Pathfinder Society isn't for everyone. The rules and regulations for pathfinder society are to try and ensure that players all have a fun experience while playing in a Golarion themed world. While Catfolk are a popular choice for players to want to play they are extremely rare on Golarion and as such they are not fitting as a common race available for play.

If your local group is making you feel unwelcome you should try to contact your local Venture officer and have a talk with them. No group should make you feel unwelcome especially when you are trying to help out by offering to GM. All players and Gms should feel welcome as long as the are following the Organized Play rules. You should be no exception to that.

The frustration indicated by the original poster has been felt by a multitude of parties, and is one of the reasons I was hesitant to begin play.

It also lead to 'grandfathering' 'abuses' when word comes down about races about to go into retirement, because some of the races on the Featured/Uncommon list are fun to play and/or the favorites of certain players.

I know for a fact if I had shelled out the money for the Core Rulebook, the Advanced Race Guide, the Advanced Class Guide alone (needed for a catfolk brawler) and then showed up at a convention to play PFS with no knowledge of the campaign rules beyond 'You need to have the books' it'd be a horrifically BAD form of Customer Service and I'd probably be no small bit of cheesed off.

There's been some good advice here, but there also needs to be some way to bring the races that have been highlighted (like catfolk) into play beyond a single charity auction boon or GMing -- I could easily see someone volunteering to GM to *get* a boon at a convention and being told "Oh, we don't want you to run this cold, sorry. Would you like to play a pregen in one of the tables we have?"

1) as an organizer of a region and conventions, I try to advertise the requirement to read the guide before beginning play. As a matter of fact, a guy at a recent game night saw us playing and adked about how he could join. We gave him the address to our meetup sitd, and I gave him my printed copy of the guide 7.0.

I've had a few people show up to play who'd found our meetup site by chance, that didn't teally read our site, and came with characters rolled up wrong, or with a drow, etc.

I explained they couldn't play those things. Only one guy got so pissed he left immediately, and only one other never came back again. But at least 8 others came back over and over and are regulars.

2) we advertise for GMs at conventions months in advance. You simply don't just show up to a convention with the expectation of GMing. That's just unrealistic, no matter how new you are to conventions or organized play.

3) don't buy $100's for a specific concept. That's not responsible with money no matter how you look at it. Especially if you haven't double checked that what you want to play is legal.

4) the OP sounds like, "give me what I want or I'm out of here!" My usual responce is, "See ya." Seriously. Why would we want that type of attitude in our gaming community.
What if the guy showed up with a drow?

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For a catfolk rakasha, getting a tiefling boon and making a rakasha should do just about the same thing.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Germany—Hamburg aka Calenor

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Harrowed-Path wrote:
I cannot go to cons. period.

Dear Harrowed Path, what a pity for you, maybe luck for the people who offer tables at the con?

Harrowed-Path wrote:


I should be on the receiving end of charities, not asked to give to "Administration fees" so some fat cat can claim a tax shelter.

Asking for charities in the same sentence, where you throw insults, sounds legit. :)

Harrowed-Path wrote:


So, I ask you. think HARD. have you ever gone out to find a game, but there wasn't any room no matter where you asked? even if you offered to GM?

I deal with that kind of an atmosphere as a GAMER. I feel unwelcome when I go out to join a game. In part, it is because of rules banning me from making a CATFOLK BRAWLER (For example) that have filled the seat I would normally take.

Ever been there? So ignored and unwelcome that you may as well PACK YOUR STUFF UP AND GO HOME?

Well, that is me. I am packing up to go, because you have made me unwelcome at the game table.

When your communication runs the same channels as your postings, im not that surprised, about people ignoring you.

Actually it took less then 4 Posts from your side to be quite sure i won't like to sit at the same table with you, if you don't get rid of your 'spoiled brat'-style.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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To the other posters in this thread (and the other), the same advice rings true.

Don't be a jerk.

Otherwise we risk coming across as the same types of people that forced Harrowed_Path away in the first place.

That sort of cycle is just not helpful.

5/5

Nefreet wrote:

To the other posters in this thread (and the other), the same advice rings true.

Don't be a jerk.

Otherwise we risk coming across as the same types of people that forced Harrowed_Path away in the first place.

That sort of cycle is just not helpful.

If he acts in real life in the same way he posts here I rather strongly suspect it was not the behaviour of his local community which drove him away.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

Nefreet wrote:

To the other posters in this thread (and the other), the same advice rings true.

Don't be a jerk.

Otherwise we risk coming across as the same types of people that forced Harrowed_Path away in the first place.

That sort of cycle is just not helpful.

Exactly; if you feel a post is abusive, then flag and move on.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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andreww wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

To the other posters in this thread (and the other), the same advice rings true.

Don't be a jerk.

Otherwise we risk coming across as the same types of people that forced Harrowed_Path away in the first place.

That sort of cycle is just not helpful.

If he acts in real life in the same way he posts here I rather strongly suspect it was not the behaviour of his local community which drove him away.

But our response should not default to that assumption.

Sometimes people just need time to recognize a good thing and adjust their behavior accordingly.

It's those 5-Star types (and VOs) who deserve their reputations ;-)

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
I know for a fact if I had shelled out the money for the Core Rulebook, the Advanced Race Guide, the Advanced Class Guide alone (needed for a catfolk brawler) and then showed up at a convention to play PFS with no knowledge of the campaign rules beyond 'You need to have the books' it'd be a horrifically BAD form of Customer Service and I'd probably be no small bit of cheesed off.

Yes that situation should cheese people off, but by the same token if people are going to invest that heavily into an organized play campaign then they should probably read the actually rules for the campaign. We can't change the rules for organized play to accommodate ignorance of the rules. Because at that point we wouldn't have a need for rules.

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
There's been some good advice here, but there also needs to be some way to bring the races that have been highlighted (like catfolk) into play beyond a single charity auction boon or GMing -- I could easily see someone volunteering to GM to *get* a boon at a convention and being told "Oh, we don't want you to run this cold, sorry. Would you like to play a pregen in one of the tables we have?

Special races are opened up by GMing at conventions because the campaign needs incentives to get people to GM at them. I've personally seen that when the race boon at a local convention isn't considered good that less people will volunteer to GM. Which in turn hurts the amount of players that can be seated, the amount of player boons and swag that's given out, and the amount of advertising the convention does for Paizo.

The campaign also has opened up boon races, Aasimar, Tiefling, Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayang were all race boons at some point. Some are currently always available and some were previously. The campaign has made an effort to open up more races in a way that is good for the campaign and doesn't flood the gates with uncommon races. I understand that players don't think that enough races have been opened up, but at some point we have to concede that we will never get to a point where enough races are opened up that everyone will be happy.

As for your point about running cold at a convention and being told that the GM wasn't needed seems odd. If the Gm wanted a race boon why wouldn't he have volunteered earlier and not have been cold to run the scenario? And if he wasn't prepped for the scenario and got moved as a player why would the player deserve the race boon? They literally didn't do anything to earn it. They offered to run a scenario that they didn't prep and weren't needed to run? It seems like an odd example to me.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5

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Hi Harrowed!

Is it the claws you're looking for? There are other ways to get them. It is possible to still trade for a tiefling boon, or you could take an alternate racial trait to get claws on a tengu. Or you can multi-class with a draconic bloodrager.

We can help you build an awesome brawler within the PFS options if you're willing to let us do so.

Hmm

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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I also hear that ^that^ poster runs very fun Play-by-Post games if you can't find any local venues.

Believe me, I didn't think PbP was for me, after 20+ years of doing tabletop, but now I'm involved in a handful of them. Might be a great way to dip your feet into PFS as well.

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I'm still wondering how Play-by-Post even works.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Nefreet wrote:

To the other posters in this thread (and the other), the same advice rings true.

Don't be a jerk.

Otherwise we risk coming across as the same types of people that forced Harrowed_Path away in the first place.

That sort of cycle is just not helpful.

Before I begin typing other responses, I want to emphasize this. As others have noted, the Pathfinder Society organized play program prides itself on its helpful community--both online and off. Please keep that in mind and continue to demonstrate it when writing responses and managing your posts' tone.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

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Zaister wrote:
I'm still wondering how Play-by-Post even works.

Surprisingly well! I'm very much happy with my idea to give it a shot.

Grand Lodge

MisterSlanky wrote:
Zaister wrote:
I'm still wondering how Play-by-Post even works.
Surprisingly well! I'm very much happy with my idea to give it a shot.

Agreed.

Nefreet wrote:

I also hear that ^that^ poster runs very fun Play-by-Post games if you can't find any local venues.

In regards to Hmm's games, you've heard right, IMO.

4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Tennessee—Nashville aka Wolfspirit

Zaister wrote:
I'm still wondering how Play-by-Post even works.

I'm in the camp of "I always thought it was a bit odd and had no idea how it worked, but tried it because of the PbP Gameday and now I'm hooked." There's a few slight modifications to how games tend to operate compared to "normal" games, but it's surprisingly fun.

Not to derail the thread. If people are interested in PbP and how it works though, PM me.

Silver Crusade 3/5

I've had pretty good experiences with play-by-post as well. For instance, my investigator is a walking thesaurus, so being able to look over a post and use online thesauri to change things works way more smoothly than the sheet of paper with verbose equivalences I use at a tabletop game.

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Locking. Paizo.com isn't the place to yell into the void in this fashion.

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