I'm just curious as to how this works. As I was playing around making characters and had this idea to make an Armored Hulk Barbarian.
Now he has the rage powers animal fury and lesser beast totem (so far)
he also is wearing spiked banded mail and carries a greataxe.
The plan is when raging to drop the axe and attack with his claws and bite, and follow up with the spikes as off hand. But I don't think that's how the rules work cause atm from the other threads I've read it seems like manufactured weapon (in the case the spikes) always take the priority BaB. So the claws and bite would roll in at -5 (-7 if power attacking)
Anyway what is the ruling? In a rage could it be claw/claw/ spikes /w off hand penalty (until I pick up twf) then bite at -5
Or must it be always spikes (primary) then claw/claw/bite -5?
Non rage IIRC the greataxe would be primary, and the spikes off hand, but since the greataxe is a two-hander I'm not sure.
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I believe that if you don't use any sort of manufactured weapon all 3 of your natural attacks would be made at full BAB with full STR mod to damage. You would not get additional natural attacks at BAB +6 or BAB +11 because they don't follow that scale.
The moment you combine your natural attacks w/manufactured weapons, all of your natural attacks are made at BAB -5 and only get .5 STR mod to damage.
You could lessen the BAB penalty to -2 with Multiattack (it's a monster feat).
As for TWF with a 2-handed weapon and Armour Spikes I think that was nixed by a FAQ recently... From the FAQ;
Armor Spikes: Can I use two-weapon fighting to make an "off-hand" attack with my armor spikes in the same round I use a two-handed weapon?
No.
Likewise, you couldn't use an armored gauntlet to do so, as you are using both of your hands to wield your two-handed weapon, therefore your off-hand is unavailable to make any attacks.
Krodjin is right on the spikes + axe combo being a no no.
But the bite on the barbarian (is it animal fury?) is worded only has a secondary attack.
from the pfsrd
Benefit: While raging, the barbarian gains a bite attack. If used as part of a full attack action, the bite attack is made at the barbarian's full base attack bonus –5. If the bite hits, it deals 1d4 points of damage (assuming the barbarian is Medium; 1d3 points of damage if Small) plus half the barbarian's Strength modifier. A barbarian can make a bite attack as part of the action to maintain or break free from a grapple. This attack is resolved before the grapple check is made. If the bite attack hits, any grapple checks made by the barbarian against the target this round are at a +2 bonus.
It's not called primary or secondary attack. And the mechanics described is adequate for both when combining manufactured weapons and natural attacks.
Since most (all?) bites are usually primary attacks, i would consider animal fury to follow the same ruling. But RAW, it's what it says, bite at -5 AB, so secondary.
EDIT : re-read your OP. yeah it's animal fury. But note that its description never mention being able to make that attack at full AB, even if not making manufactured weapons attacks. Hope you are not in PFS, or that there is a ruling i am not aware of
No it's not PFS. It's just for fun 3rd lvl and on from there, and maybe a character I'll play later.
So Str 20, 24 on rage +3 BAB
An attack would be 2 Claws +10 and Bite +5
and A.Spikes +10, 2 Claws +5, Bite +5
You COULD. but that would be
armor spikes/boot blade/bite/claw/claw
@ -2/-2/-5/-5/-5 AB
And all of those attacks at 0.5 STR mod to dmg, except for the armor spikes (if it can even be taken as a primary hand attack, although i think it's legit, shield bash explicit text as a off-hand attack was FAQed as a possible primary if it's the only attack, from memory). Mind you, thats WITH two-weapon figthing.
- Jelly
And don't forget: You can't use a boot blade with your great axe either, because you used up the hand you'd use to wield your boot blade.
: /
Funny enough, or sad rather, as blahpers said a humanoid two-weapon fighting can't use his two hands on a two-handed and benefit from a off-hand attack, even if its a boot.
But take an Eidolon with 4 arms, that two-weapon fighting feat becomes multi-weapon fighting, and even with a 2handed weapons in two hands, 2 daggers in the remaning two, could use the bladed boot also. Screwed like that.
As for your idea Kingman, you are much better with a reach weapon instead of your axe. You can threaten at reach and close with the spikes. But as far as your attack routine goes when raging, forgo the spikes, just use the claws and the bite, and hopefully a DM looking at the big picture will allow you to use all those 3 attacks at full AB and STR mod to dmg.
-Jelly
I never thought about the bladed boots...hmm...fits the concept of a ball of anger, armor, claws, and stabby pointies. Like a weaponized living locomotive.
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If you played a half Orc barbarian you could get an always on primary bite attack.
This is good for a few reasons;
1. When not raging you only have one natural attack. It gets 1.5x STR mod and 3:1 Power attack.
2. Combined with reach weapon you threaten 10' and adjacent - all at 1.5 x STR & 3:1 PA.
3. Save 1 rage power (lose animal fury).
4. While raging have 3 natural attacks at full BAB and full STR mod damage and 2:1 PA on each of them.