What is the best class to build this character


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So for years now every time I have found myself needing a character for a random npc that shows up unexpectedly he has always wound up named Fritz. And every time an npc expects someone it is always Fritz that they think the PC is at first. So I have decided I finally want to build Fritz.

Here is what we know about Fritz.

He has that Everyman look about him, always being confused as someone
He always owes someone money
He is a survivor and resourceful- after all he has been sighted all over Golarion in all manner of situations
He is worldly-see above
He is at least level 4, maybe higher, after all you don't survive for years in Golarion in the most dangerous places as a commoner
He enjoys gambling and bars
He is a human, or at least appears human

I figure build w a 20 or buy level 4 would work

But I really have no idea what class or classes he is, he'll maybe he is a prestige class...

Also no need to min max this guy


My gut tells me that this guy might work as a Bard using one of the less musical archetypes like Archaeologist or Daredevil. The obvious issue being bards run on Charisma, and this guy has low to average charisma. Maybe there is a feat or trait out there that would reinforce the Everyman quality he has like the Ordinary Trait.


I was also thinking bard as I read your descriptor.


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I'll disagree with the rest. He's definitely an inquisitor of Cayden Calien (spelling) with the Heretic archetype. This gets around the low-to-mid charisma problem, while still allowing him to party like a bard would. Plus, inquisitors are super-survivable if you do them right, and they have a lot of options (good for surviving this guy's adventures).

1. Cayden is the "everyman" god, and an everyman would follow him.

2. Any class could owe someone money, but if it's more of a dramatic "trying to avoid paying", someone who casually follows a drinking god would work well.

3. Cayden is a survivor who got into all manner of situations (Starstone being the most dramatic, but not the only one, of his adventures).

4. Your "Fritz" is a heretic because to him, the adventure is more about getting stuff to show off at the tavern than about telling amazing stories. Hence "worldly".

5. Level doesn't matter all that much here.

6. Cayden enjoys gambling and bars!

7. Cayden (appears) human!

Fritz: Clearly an inquisitor!

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I'm reading either Bard, Swashbuckler, or Sorcerer. Something heavily CHA based.


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Fritz is a wizard, sorcerer, or alchemist. He's also paralytically uncertain what to do with his life. The Fritzes one meets are the simulacra of Fritz (original flavor), sent out into the world as life path experiments. Each is enjoined to travel far and do what he will, then report back to the original. Alpha Fritz remains at base keeping a massive journal elucidating all of his alternate lives' adventures.

Each Fritz has to remunerate the cost of the simulacrum spell; many, aware of the relative brevity of their existence, elect simply to borrow the money from someone. In this way, Fritz the First has accumulated a great many debts, and every Ancillary Fritz risks running into one of his many debtors.


That's funny. That's like an entire book series there


Clearly, he's a Great Wyrm Brass Dragon.

Or a high-level Commoner. Really, if you're a sufficiently high-level Commoner, you can go toe-to-toe with a Balor, (vorpal notwithstanding).

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Rogue.


Just a Mort wrote:
Rogue.

Got any further details?

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Knowledge local, diplo, disguise, profession gambler, stealth, bluff are all on rogue class skils. Rogues have 8 skill points + int mod per level, tons to throw around. Also rogues do not need to have high cha, which can give him the everyman look.

Fritz has not been stated to use any form of magic, nor extracts, which means he is probably a non spell casting class.

As Fritz is an NPC, he does not need to be optimized, as he can always escape situations by GM fiat. Bluff to create a distraction, then stealth the crap out of there.


That sounds like one of the common flavours of rogue. Probably a Rake or a Swindler.

Or Monk, since a high wisdom could easily be considered worldly. Perhaps with a vow of poverty, so he can never actually pay anyone back. Wanderer suits quite well as an archetype (and makes him human).

Otherwise a Street Performer Bard might suit.

Having thought about it, I think Wanderer Monk actually sounds like the best option. You can drop his charisma safely to give the "Easily mistaken for someone else but too shy to correct them" vibe, and most of the remaining flavour is taken care of by the archetype.


Aestereal wrote:

I'll disagree with the rest. He's definitely an inquisitor of Cayden Calien (spelling) with the Heretic archetype. This gets around the low-to-mid charisma problem, while still allowing him to party like a bard would. Plus, inquisitors are super-survivable if you do them right, and they have a lot of options (good for surviving this guy's adventures).

1. Cayden is the "everyman" god, and an everyman would follow him.

2. Any class could owe someone money, but if it's more of a dramatic "trying to avoid paying", someone who casually follows a drinking god would work well.

3. Cayden is a survivor who got into all manner of situations (Starstone being the most dramatic, but not the only one, of his adventures).

4. Your "Fritz" is a heretic because to him, the adventure is more about getting stuff to show off at the tavern than about telling amazing stories. Hence "worldly".

5. Level doesn't matter all that much here.

6. Cayden enjoys gambling and bars!

7. Cayden (appears) human!

Fritz: Clearly an inquisitor!

I have to agree with this post.

However, you might also like this (since so many people seem to think this is a rogue-like character): Scroll Scoundrel


That's is a strange archetype...I don't know what to make of it!

The monk is interesting as well

Maybe he is a mix of rogue/wanderer or rogue inquisitor

Wanderer is kind of funny he gets a random exotic proficiency wonder what that would be...

Definitely starting to come into view for me


Apollo the Wolf wrote:

So for years now every time I have found myself needing a character for a random npc that shows up unexpectedly he has always wound up named Fritz. And every time an npc expects someone it is always Fritz that they think the PC is at first. So I have decided I finally want to build Fritz.

Here is what we know about Fritz.

He has that Everyman look about him, always being confused as someone
He always owes someone money
He is a survivor and resourceful- after all he has been sighted all over Golarion in all manner of situations
He is worldly-see above
He is at least level 4, maybe higher, after all you don't survive for years in Golarion in the most dangerous places as a commoner
He enjoys gambling and bars
He is a human, or at least appears human

I figure build w a 20 or buy level 4 would work

But I really have no idea what class or classes he is, he'll maybe he is a prestige class...

Also no need to min max this guy

Urban Druid with the charm domain, at least 6th level for Thousand Faces. Explains how he's always getting out of trouble - he can use magic to escape situations but then it wears off and he's in debt. He also can look like everyone, or anyone since his faces probably aren't specific - easy to be confused. Also as a druid, it's easy to see him as a bit of a wanderer between communities.


Druid...hmm the class that I have never played before...

PRD engage


I do like with the urban Druid the 4th level ability that gives a bonus vs divination


Decided, Going to build him up as a Urban Druid with the Community Domain, level 6 for thousand faces, which is useful so he can bulk himself up or shrink in order to get out of trouble.

Went community since he does always turn up around people, gave him the heroic npc stats, though i moved them around a bit, put the racial +2 into CHA to take it from 8 to 10, then the level 4 +1 to take int from 13 to 14

Feats look like this

1: Inexplicable Luck
Human Bonus : Defiant Luck
3: Fleet or Run (Basically he has to get the heck out of dodge a lot, I think Fleet is more useful)
5: Lightning Reflexes (gotta shore up a really low Reflex save, and again good for survival)

Skill wise, he will max out Gambler, he has a lot of knowledges, max out heal and survival and perception

Gear: No idea, but heroic npc gets 4650. I figure he has a little bit armor of some sort (bracers? Leather?), probably has a sturdy walking stick (maybe this has some kind of magical quality)

I suspect he has a lot of consumables, part of why he always runs out of money, potions, oil, etc.

Thought?

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Fritz... isn't he the guy who dies in Ralph Bakshi's "Wizards"? As in..

OMG! They killed Fritz!

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Does Mr Fritz need to get stealth and diplo and bluff on his class skills? Think that's also pretty important in being known to everyone and getting out of trouble. If you alterself in the view of others people are going to talk. Sneak to a dark alleyway, then use it to gain a new identity.

Heal - is it really required? He's not going to be staying around to fix messes, druids have CLW on spell list anyway.


didnt give him bluff, he has never been a liar. i dunno about heal it seemed part of the idea of being able to survive, but maybe not. diplo is on his list from urban druid, and he will have a trait to get stealth. interestingly enough, the story for fritz has never been he cheated or lied or anything like that. He just always owes someone money...I suspect he pays it back too.

maybe i put those 6 ranks of heal into HP

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Bluff is to create a distraction so you can stealth away while you're being observed under the stealth rules. So you can get into an alleyway to alterself. Flash powder could work as well. You don't need to use bluff to lie or cheat.


hellcat stealth.

Hellcat Stealth

You are difficult to see in the light.

Prerequisites: Skill Focus (Stealth), Stealth 6 ranks.

Benefit: You may make Stealth checks in normal or bright light even when observed, but at a -10 penalty.

Normal: You cannot make Stealth checks while observed.

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GozrehTime wrote:

Fritz is a wizard, sorcerer, or alchemist. He's also paralytically uncertain what to do with his life. The Fritzes one meets are the simulacra of Fritz (original flavor), sent out into the world as life path experiments. Each is enjoined to travel far and do what he will, then report back to the original. Alpha Fritz remains at base keeping a massive journal elucidating all of his alternate lives' adventures.

Each Fritz has to remunerate the cost of the simulacrum spell; many, aware of the relative brevity of their existence, elect simply to borrow the money from someone. In this way, Fritz the First has accumulated a great many debts, and every Ancillary Fritz risks running into one of his many debtors.

I imagine the scene where the party mourns the death of Fritz only to later be helped by Fritz.

Would one or two simulacra claim to be the original? Too funny.


They go to bury Fritz and Fritz is the priest and undertaker


This reminds me of an Eberron plot I wanted to run once where every major NPC ally the party had was just the same changeling in like 25 different roles.

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Kitsune Trickster or a Bard with the Realistic Likeness feat so he can look pretty much like whomever he wants which is why there is confusion about what he looks like exactly.


I was thinking rogue a lot, they are good at urban settings and rogues down on their luck is a classic stereotype. BTW, an urban ranger or slayer works just as well.

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