paizo.com Recent Posts in Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywaypaizo.com Recent Posts in Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anyway2015-10-27T04:06:47Z2015-10-27T04:06:47ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayBigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2142015-10-27T19:18:45Z2015-10-26T13:06:34Z<p>So this is what the republican party has been saying for 20 years</p>
<p>The key to Americas success is low taxes (on rich people)</p>
<p>Washington and politicians are evil. </p>
<p>Facts cannot be trusted for their well known liberal bias. truthiness is determined by how confident and angry you can sound about it</p>
<p>Rich people are rich because they earned their money by working hard and using their god given talents </p>
<p>The reason your taxes are so high is because we give foodstamps to black people, not because we give tax cuts to billionaires</p>
<p>The reason there are no jobs is because of illegal immigrants, not because of mechanization or the outsourcing of jobs we made possible via free trade agreements. </p>
<p>.... and then they act surprised when Donald Trump does so well. I mean, come on. He's openly dealing exactly what the republican party has been selling out of the back of the store.</p>So this is what the republican party has been saying for 20 years
The key to Americas success is low taxes (on rich people)
Washington and politicians are evil.
Facts cannot be trusted for their well known liberal bias. truthiness is determined by how confident and angry you can sound about it
Rich people are rich because they earned their money by working hard and using their god given talents
The reason your taxes are so high is because we give foodstamps to black people, not because...BigNorseWolf2015-10-26T13:06:34ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayGrey Lensmanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2132015-10-24T04:48:50Z2015-10-23T22:19:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Uncanny Valley wrote:</div><blockquote> Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by. </blockquote><p>Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan.
<p>They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign. </blockquote><p>The sad part is this doesn't seem absurd at all.
<p>OK, <b>ONE</b> of the sad parts...</p>thejeff wrote:The Uncanny Valley wrote: Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by.
Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan. They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign. The sad part is this doesn't...Grey Lensman2015-10-23T22:19:59ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayBigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2122015-10-27T04:06:47Z2015-10-23T22:19:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Uncanny Valley wrote:</div><blockquote> Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by. </blockquote><p>Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan.
<p>They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign. </blockquote><p>please do not feed them ideas....
<p>The aneurysm inducing double think there isn't THAT far out of line with GOP policy...</p>thejeff wrote:The Uncanny Valley wrote: Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by.
Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan. They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign. please do not feed them...BigNorseWolf2015-10-23T22:19:13ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayHitdicehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2112015-10-23T22:09:26Z2015-10-23T22:09:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> Just because someone is a high functioning sociopath doesn't mean they are not insane. </blockquote>Is anybody else feeling a little bit uncomfortable with the escalating assertions that people advocating stupid policies are suffering from disabilities? </blockquote><p>Yeah.
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OTOH, there does seem to be a bit of correlation between high-functioning sociopath and corporate success. Probably some political success as well. </p>
<p>Turns out lack of empathy can be really lucrative. As long as you can fake the charm. </blockquote><p>"Turns out?" Hasn't that been pretty obvious throughout all recorded history? I'm not sure you even have to fake the charm, so much as know your audience.thejeff wrote:Kobold Cleaver wrote: Caineach wrote: Just because someone is a high functioning sociopath doesn't mean they are not insane.
Is anybody else feeling a little bit uncomfortable with the escalating assertions that people advocating stupid policies are suffering from disabilities? Yeah.
OTOH, there does seem to be a bit of correlation between high-functioning sociopath and corporate success. Probably some political success as well. Turns out lack of empathy can be really...Hitdice2015-10-23T22:09:26ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywaythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2102015-10-24T04:48:08Z2015-10-23T21:44:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> Just because someone is a high functioning sociopath doesn't mean they are not insane. </blockquote>Is anybody else feeling a little bit uncomfortable with the escalating assertions that people advocating stupid policies are suffering from disabilities? </blockquote><p>Yeah.
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OTOH, there does seem to be a bit of correlation between high-functioning sociopath and corporate success. Probably some political success as well. </p>
<p>Turns out lack of empathy can be really lucrative. As long as you can fake the charm.</p>Kobold Cleaver wrote:Caineach wrote: Just because someone is a high functioning sociopath doesn't mean they are not insane.
Is anybody else feeling a little bit uncomfortable with the escalating assertions that people advocating stupid policies are suffering from disabilities? Yeah.
OTOH, there does seem to be a bit of correlation between high-functioning sociopath and corporate success. Probably some political success as well. Turns out lack of empathy can be really lucrative. As long as...thejeff2015-10-23T21:44:08ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywaythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2092015-10-24T04:47:53Z2015-10-23T21:25:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Uncanny Valley wrote:</div><blockquote> Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by. </blockquote><p>Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan.
<p>They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign.</p>The Uncanny Valley wrote:Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by.
Yeah, it's all part of a secret GOP plan. They're going to accuse her of illegally using government resources to campaign.thejeff2015-10-23T21:25:27ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayThe Uncanny Valley (alias of The Fox)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2082015-10-24T04:47:43Z2015-10-23T20:56:48Z<p>Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by.</p>Yep. The Bengazi hearings are backfiring on their perpetrators. Not only are we discovering tidbits embarrassing to various GOP politicians from the previous administration, we are also seeing Hillary stand strong in the face of her accusers. A better political campaign would be difficult to come by.The Uncanny Valley (alias of The Fox)2015-10-23T20:56:48ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayKobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2072015-10-23T20:50:10Z2015-10-23T20:50:10Z<p>In vaguely related news, did anybody else watch (large portions of {because come on}) the Clinton hearing? What's weird for me is I think I actually like Clinton now. She sold me on her humanity and endurance in those eleven hours. Still don't like all her policies, of course.</p>In vaguely related news, did anybody else watch (large portions of {because come on}) the Clinton hearing? What's weird for me is I think I actually like Clinton now. She sold me on her humanity and endurance in those eleven hours. Still don't like all her policies, of course.Kobold Catgirl2015-10-23T20:50:10ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayKobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2062015-10-23T20:46:59Z2015-10-23T20:46:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> Clinton/Sanders is not gonna happen. Clinton/O'Malley I think is the most likely option right now. I would love if Sanders can pull off an upset, but it is not looking good right now. </blockquote><p>I could totally see Clinton going for Biden, but I don't know that he'd be up for it.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Orfamay Quest wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Orfamay Quest wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Krensky wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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You keep wanting to see them as rational people who have wrong opinions, they're not. They're b#+!$%• insane.</blockquote><p>No. That's not what they are. I've seen b#+!$%• insane before, and so have you. That's the guy wearing a bathrobe and a tinfoil hat screaming at the bus driver because he's secretly a reptile overlord. B#+!$%• insane don't hold jobs, and they certainly don't manage to build and maintain funding and campaigning networks controlling millions of dollars just to stay in office. The b#+!$%• insane candidates don't win primaries, and in most cases can't even figure out the procedure to get on the ballot.
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</blockquote>Anyone who actually believes Any Rand is both b~%!+•@ insane and morally bankrupt.</blockquote>At the risk of repeating myself: <i>No. That's not what they are. I've seen b#+!$%• insane before, and so have you. That's the guy wearing a bathrobe and a tinfoil hat screaming at the bus driver because he's secretly a reptile overlord. B#+!$%• insane don't hold jobs, and they certainly don't manage to build and maintain funding and campaigning networks controlling millions of dollars just to stay in office. The b#+!$%• insane candidates don't win primaries, and in most cases can't even figure out the procedure to get on the ballot. </i> </blockquote>Just because someone is a high functioning sociopath doesn't mean they are not insane. </blockquote><p>Is anybody else feeling a <i>little bit</i> uncomfortable with the escalating assertions that people advocating stupid policies are suffering from disabilities?
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote>["Zealot" and "ideologue" are] both synonyms for b%~~@•# insane. </blockquote><p>No. No, they aren't. Using a medical term to describe people you think are dumb and extreme is unabashed ableism.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote>You may want to check your dictionary again because there is a second, more often used colloquially definition. Medical terminology is used by medical professionals, but is not the only usage of words. </blockquote><p>That is not the terminology Caineach is using. If it was, Caineach would not have said that these people are high-functioning sociopaths. Caineach is saying these people are literally insane, as in, mentally ill.Caineach wrote:Clinton/Sanders is not gonna happen. Clinton/O'Malley I think is the most likely option right now. I would love if Sanders can pull off an upset, but it is not looking good right now.
I could totally see Clinton going for Biden, but I don't know that he'd be up for it. Caineach wrote:Orfamay Quest wrote: Caineach wrote: Orfamay Quest wrote: Krensky wrote:
You keep wanting to see them as rational people who have wrong opinions, they're not. They're b#+!$%* insane.
No. That's...Kobold Catgirl2015-10-23T20:46:59ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2052015-10-23T20:19:41Z2015-10-23T20:19:41Z<p>Beats me. But Citizen Quest's poll is from six years ago. A more recent one seems to say:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/socially-liberal-poll_n_7422440.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A Record Percentage Of Americans Now Say They're Social Liberals</a></p>
<p>"In 1999, when Gallup first began tracking questions on ideology, Americans were 18 points more likely to describe themselves as social conservatives. Since then, the gap has narrowed, with the exception of a spike in conservatism at the beginning of President Barack Obama's first term."</p>
<p>Which, I believe, is Citizen Quest's poll.</p>
<p>Or, if you prefer Comrade Jeff's website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/183386/social-ideology-left-catches-right.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">On Social Ideology, the Left Catches Up to the Right</a></p>
<p>Regardless, <i>both</i> parties have been moving to the right for decades, so I'm not certain how satisfying an answer a 2009 poll is to Citizen Aestereal's (sp?) original question.</p>Beats me. But Citizen Quest's poll is from six years ago. A more recent one seems to say:
A Record Percentage Of Americans Now Say They're Social Liberals
"In 1999, when Gallup first began tracking questions on ideology, Americans were 18 points more likely to describe themselves as social conservatives. Since then, the gap has narrowed, with the exception of a spike in conservatism at the beginning of President Barack Obama's first term."
Which, I believe, is Citizen Quest's poll.
Or, if...Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2015-10-23T20:19:41ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywaythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2042015-10-23T19:18:23Z2015-10-23T19:18:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MMCJawa wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't feel our country is shifting right is an accurate term. We are probably shifting left when it comes to some social issues (LGBTQ rights, gender issues, religion), but right when it comes to issues involving things like government programs, regulation, and taxation.</p>
<p>Certainly the above jives with what I have seen from the Obama presidency. </blockquote><p>It's even a little more complicated than that.
<p>People tend to identify more as conservative than liberal, but still approve of many liberal policies. </p>
<p>Edit: Which was pretty much what Orfamay Quest's <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/121403/special-report-ideologically-moving.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">source above said</a>
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Have Americans' positions on major cultural, social, and policy issues shifted left accordingly? A broad review of the available trends suggests not. However, they have not shifted solidly right either, countering Americans' claims in the new poll that they have grown more conservative.</blockquote><p>I've seen several other polls suggesting that in general Americans are more liberal than they claim to be.MMCJawa wrote:I don't feel our country is shifting right is an accurate term. We are probably shifting left when it comes to some social issues (LGBTQ rights, gender issues, religion), but right when it comes to issues involving things like government programs, regulation, and taxation.
Certainly the above jives with what I have seen from the Obama presidency.
It's even a little more complicated than that. People tend to identify more as conservative than liberal, but still approve of many...thejeff2015-10-23T19:18:23ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayMMCJawahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2032015-10-23T18:58:37Z2015-10-23T18:58:37Z<p>I don't feel our country is shifting right is an accurate term. We are probably shifting left when it comes to some social issues (LGBTQ rights, gender issues, religion), but right when it comes to issues involving things like government programs, regulation, and taxation.</p>
<p>Certainly the above jives with what I have seen from the Obama presidency.</p>I don't feel our country is shifting right is an accurate term. We are probably shifting left when it comes to some social issues (LGBTQ rights, gender issues, religion), but right when it comes to issues involving things like government programs, regulation, and taxation.
Certainly the above jives with what I have seen from the Obama presidency.MMCJawa2015-10-23T18:58:37ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayOrfamay Questhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2022015-10-23T18:57:42Z2015-10-23T18:57:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Caineach wrote:</div><blockquote> Yes, but are the centrist voters moving right on their own or because the Republicans are moving right making more extreme views acceptable in the main stream? We haven't had a real left voice to counter the rightward pull for decades. </blockquote><p>Generally whats happened is that the voters have moved left, but the districts moved right anyway.
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</blockquote><p>No, generally what happened is that the voters have moved right, and the districts moved even more to the right. The rightward drift among the electorate is well-documented.BigNorseWolf wrote:Caineach wrote: Yes, but are the centrist voters moving right on their own or because the Republicans are moving right making more extreme views acceptable in the main stream? We haven't had a real left voice to counter the rightward pull for decades.
Generally whats happened is that the voters have moved left, but the districts moved right anyway.
No, generally what happened is that the voters have moved right, and the districts moved even more to the right. The...Orfamay Quest2015-10-23T18:57:42ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Sanders wins debate. CNN pushes hillary anywayLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0c2&page=5?Sanders-wins-debate-CNN-pushes-hillary-anyway#2012015-10-23T18:38:35Z2015-10-23T18:38:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Orfamay Quest wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Mine are too. But they're still higher than the current status quo where republicans just keep pulling democrats right. </blockquote>The Republicans aren't pulling the Democrats right. The media and voters are. </blockquote>Yes and no. The Republicans are moving right, leaving an opening for the Democrats to pickup the voters they leave behind in the new center. </blockquote><p>The problem is that the Democrats are too busy being smug to do anything to actually pick up new voters. They don't realize it, but they are the party in far worse shape right now.thejeff wrote:Orfamay Quest wrote: BigNorseWolf wrote:
Mine are too. But they're still higher than the current status quo where republicans just keep pulling democrats right.
The Republicans aren't pulling the Democrats right. The media and voters are. Yes and no. The Republicans are moving right, leaving an opening for the Democrats to pickup the voters they leave behind in the new center. The problem is that the Democrats are too busy being smug to do anything to actually pick up new...LazarX2015-10-23T18:38:35Z