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I still consider myself a Charter Subscriber but I'll let you decide:
I did put my remaining year-and-three-quarters-left subscription to Dungeon magazine into Paizo's AP line, and I kept my Charter tag all the way until Skull & Shackles -- which I refused to buy because I think pirates are stupid. So I briefly turned off my Charter subscription for that AP yet of course immediately resumed with Shattered Star. ....Then, much later, when the Sci-Fi/techno AP came out I turned it off again for one AP, having less than zero interest in Iron Gods.
So, .... While I consider myself a Charter subscriber (who started getting Dungeon in the mail every month since before Paizo existed, and then converting my Dungeon subscription-credit into Pathfinder), I understand if I'm disqualified because I temporarily cut off my Charter subscription for the two APs I feel don't belong on my gaming bookshelves.
I only bring it up now, after a few more years have passed, because I'm thinking about bowing out of the PF2 AP subscription. If I do cancel my subscription in August, at the end of Tyrant's Grasp it will be the end, emotionally for me, of my Charter Subscription. ....From the mid-late 90s to today, getting the published adventures in my mailbox every month with just a couple temporary glitches here and there, yeah -- it's getting emotional.
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I still consider myself a Charter Subscriber but I'll let you decide:
I did put my remaining year-and-three-quarters-left subscription to Dungeon magazine into Paizo's AP line, and I kept my Charter tag all the way until Skull & Shackles -- which I refused to buy because I think pirates are stupid. So I briefly turned off my Charter subscription for that AP yet of course immediately resumed with Shattered Star. ....Then, much later, when the Sci-Fi/techno AP came out I turned it off again for one AP, having less than zero interest in Iron Gods.
So, .... While I consider myself a Charter subscriber (who started getting Dungeon in the mail every month since before Paizo existed, and then converting my Dungeon subscription-credit into Pathfinder), I understand if I'm disqualified because I temporarily cut off my Charter subscription for the two APs I feel don't belong on my gaming bookshelves.
I only bring it up now, after a few more years have passed, because I'm thinking about bowing out of the PF2 AP subscription. If I do cancel my subscription in August, at the end of Tyrant's Grasp it will be the end, emotionally for me, of my Charter Subscription. ....From the mid-late 90s to today, getting the published adventures in my mailbox every month with just a couple temporary glitches here and there, yeah -- it's getting emotional.
My vote (which means nothing) is that you have to have gotten all of them to be considered a charter subscriber. There were a few APs I was completely disinterested in and fought through, lol.
But, more importantly, I agree with you about Version 2. I’m not enthused about the change and if there aren’t a lot of changes to the play test version, I am strongly considering letting my subscription go by the wayside. I’ll probably get the first volume or two while I look at the new Player’s Handbook, and if it doesn’t really catch my fancy, I’m out as well.
But, more importantly, I agree with you about Version 2. I’m not enthused about the change and if there aren’t a lot of changes to the play test version, I am strongly considering letting my subscription go by the wayside. I’ll probably get the first volume or two while I look at the new Player’s Handbook, and if it doesn’t really catch my fancy, I’m out as well.
Oh dear. This doesn't sound promising for the forthcoming Edition.
But, more importantly, I agree with you about Version 2. I’m not enthused about the change and if there aren’t a lot of changes to the play test version, I am strongly considering letting my subscription go by the wayside. I’ll probably get the first volume or two while I look at the new Player’s Handbook, and if it doesn’t really catch my fancy, I’m out as well.Oh dear. This doesn't sound promising for the forthcoming Edition.
My assumption has long been that the new edition isn’t for long time subscribers like me. I’m afraid there aren’t enough people like me for Paizo to rely on to be profitable anymore. And that’s why they’ve made the change, even though it’s nothing I’m looking for. I love Paizo and I hope they do well, but I’m not sure if 2.0 is a system in which I’ll participate.
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My assumption has long been that the new edition isn’t for long time subscribers like me. I’m afraid there aren’t enough people like me for Paizo to rely on to be profitable anymore. And that’s why they’ve made the change, even though it’s nothing I’m looking for. I love Paizo and I hope they do well, but I’m not sure if 2.0 is a system in which I’ll participate.
This is my thinking too. I was never a charter subscriber, but I still consider myself one of "the original" cohort of pathfinder fans.
Over the years, it's seemed to me that there are three main populations of paizo forumites. The casual users who post a few times over however long they're here. The 'temporary enthusiast' who posts manically for a few years and then move on to other things. And the group of long-term posters which seems to me to have been declining at a more rapid rate than it is replenishing.
I think it's reasonable to assume the population of forumites is correlated with the wider population of customers. My theory has been that PF2 is essentially a chance to 'reboot' - there's definitely going to be a sudden dropoff in oldtimers, but no doubt they're hoping that the newcomers will replenish those numbers over time.
I think it's reasonable to assume the population of forumites is correlated with the wider population of customers. My theory has been that PF2 is essentially a chance to 'reboot' - there's definitely going to be a sudden dropoff in oldtimers, but no doubt they're hoping that the newcomers will replenish those numbers over time.
There is always a risk. But doing nothing in the current RPG market is likely a bigger risk.
I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).
I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).
**cough** … Ninja Division … **cough**
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I think they read the market fine there. They just chose a bad partner.
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I am still here, for now. Not sure if I'll stay for PF2 though.
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I lost my charter with Strange Aeons due to a combined job/financial issue and complete lack of interest in combining Cthulhu with PF.
OTOH, I picked my subscription back up after that and have subsequently gotten both the pdfs (thanks to the way the licesnse with Fantasy Grounds works) and the hardcopies (thanks to a clearance sale at my FLGS) so I have the complete collection of APs.
I'm undeciuded about how much I'll collect of PF2. Part of what and how I collect will depend on FG's continuation of licensing.
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I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).**cough** … Ninja Division … **cough**
And the virtual tabletop which was promoted but never came to be.
Oh, and the fiction lines, which died.
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I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).**cough** … Ninja Division … **cough**And the virtual tabletop which was promoted but never came to be.
Oh, and the fiction lines, which died.
The fiction line died because it didn't sell. So, if Paizo made any mistake here, is that they invested in the line despite the fact that at the end of the day, everybody wants fiction but nobody buys it.
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I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).**cough** … Ninja Division … **cough**And the virtual tabletop which was promoted but never came to be.
Oh, and the fiction lines, which died.
After first removing the weekly fiction on the website(Which they seem to have put back in but need to wait and see if it lasts after the release) and then removing the fiction from the Ap's
The fiction line died because it didn't sell. So, if Paizo made any mistake here, is that they invested in the line despite the fact that at the end of the day, everybody wants fiction but nobody buys it.I agree. I follow paizo-goings on pretty closely, but I have no clue as to "the best" answer. I can only assume that Paizo are the most likely to be able to navigate to that. They've got a pretty good track record (barring the MMO, which it seems to me to be their only real "miss" in judging the market).**cough** … Ninja Division … **cough**And the virtual tabletop which was promoted but never came to be.
Oh, and the fiction lines, which died.
Yes, but in fairness, between Planet Stories and the Tales line, they *did* have over 70 novels, so after reflecting on it, perhaps it was successful enough.
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And they didn't misjudge the market on Virtual Tabletops, they misjudged their ability to create one. Their partnerships with Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds prove that their is a market for Virtual Tabletops and Paizo is still capitalizing on the market without actually having to develop software new to them.
Still here, and I'll most likely still be here 12 years from now.
I've found that even when I'm not particularly interested in an adventure path, there's bound to be plenty there for me to plunder for my own games. NPCs, locations, encounters, maps, artwork, backmatter.
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I like reading APs for articles, though my thing is that besides wanting to know as much as possible about the setting, my tastes are super varied :P So all aps interest me more or less
(that said I'm not charter subscriber. Well, I DID subscribe for whole dead suns ap from beginning, but I never got charter status for that so I guess that one didn't count :'D I do have noticed that starfinder charter seems to be a thing while starfinder ap charter doesn't seem to be )
I like reading APs for articles, though my thing is that besides wanting to know as much as possible about the setting, my tastes are super varied :P So all aps interest me more or less
(that said I'm not charter subscriber. Well, I DID subscribe for whole dead suns ap from beginning, but I never got charter status for that so I guess that one didn't count :'D I do have noticed that starfinder charter seems to be a thing while starfinder ap charter doesn't seem to be )
You had to subscribe to all four physical Starfinder subs to get the charter tag (and to get Paizo advantage).
I'm still here.
It doesn't show in my titles anymore/again, but there's probably a reason for it. It doesn't involve me ever cancelling the subscription though.
Still here. The only thing I'm still buying are the adventure path and the minis.
Still here, took a break for a bit, but kept my subscriptions up.
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Well, I'll be losing my status after the last Tyrant's grasp. P2 is where I get off the train.
I'm still here.
It doesn't show in my titles anymore/again, but there's probably a reason for it. It doesn't involve me ever cancelling the subscription though.
Didn't you have some weird issue once when yoy lost it for no good reason and CS had to manually rejig something? (Or was that simeone else...I remember it seemed unique).
Maybe in the recent site kerfuffle whatever they did came "unstuck".
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I'm still here.
It doesn't show in my titles anymore/again, but there's probably a reason for it. It doesn't involve me ever cancelling the subscription though.
Didn't you have some weird issue once when yoy lost it for no good reason and CS had to manually rejig something? (Or was that simeone else...I remember it seemed unique).
Maybe in the recent site kerfuffle whatever they did came "unstuck".
Yes, that was me. I looked at the history, and it was evidently that my first shipment had two copies, and when one was cancelled it was the one that had Charter on it. Pretty sure that was corrected on my account, but as you say, maybe something recently reverted it.
Well, I'll be losing my status after the last Tyrant's grasp. P2 is where I get off the train.
I'm more than likely heading the same way... can't see myself getting more rulebooks, etc.
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Well, I'm no charter member, and in fact, only started collecting during War for the Crown. But, since then, I have tracked down and purchased a physical copy of every AP issue through any and every online source I could discover in Canada and the USA! So I have the complete collection. Not sure where that puts me in this discussion :-) This was not an easy task, let me tell you.
@Strachan: Jaw drops... slow clap as tear runs down cheek in admiration. I’ve only been at it since very late 2013. Never set out with intent to collect everything but over the years I’ve seen my stash grow to where I’m about 50% there. I probably should have just done like you and got it over quickly instead of dragging it out slowly asking myself each time why I just bought another piece. Hat tip to you! :-)
@ericthecleric and @lacker
Thanks guys. It took a lot of work. I had to get pretty creative with my google-fu in searching the tiniest shops online to complete the collection. Once it got under 10 volumes left, they got pretty pricey.
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I'm still here, but my subscriptions end once they move on to the 2E stuff.
Still here. Didn't follow the 2e playtest that much but I'm eager to see how it plays out.
Edit: Hmmm. I see it no longer says I'm a charter subscriber even though I've never canceled or missed my subscription. Perhaps it was the update I had to do to manage my payments?
Still here. Didn't follow the 2e playtest that much but I'm eager to see how it plays out.
Edit: Hmmm. I see it no longer says I'm a charter subscriber even though I've never canceled or missed my subscription. Perhaps it was the update I had to do to manage my payments?
You should complain. That should not cause the change in status. :(
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I've had the "status" since the beginning, but there is no tangible benefit at all.
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Well, I'll be losing my status after the last Tyrant's grasp. P2 is where I get off the train.
Same here...just posted to cancel the subscription for the new order that spawned. I still enjoy the 3.5/PF version of the rules and so do my friends, so not a whole lot of reason to keep going sadly...been a long run.
Well, I'm no charter member, and in fact, only started collecting during War for the Crown. But, since then, I have tracked down and purchased a physical copy of every AP issue through any and every online source I could discover in Canada and the USA! So I have the complete collection. Not sure where that puts me in this discussion :-) This was not an easy task, let me tell you.
I'm not a charter subscriber (and not currently a subscriber) but that's only due to financial reasons, not because I didn't want to be. I started with Second Darkness, picking up Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne in the same month when I signed on for Second Darkness. At that point, tracking down Rise of the Runelords #1 and #2 was annoying, and that was a decade ago. So good work on finding those in softback.
I stopped my subscription right before Reign of Winter, then picked up again in the middle or Reign of Winter and got most of Wrath of the Righteous before I had to cancel again. I missed Reign of Winter #1 and #2, and Wrath of the Righteous #6. Later picked up Reign of Winter #2 and Wrath of the Righteous #6, but still don't have Reign of Winter #1 (The Snows of Summer). I also bought Mummy's Mask #2-6 later, but missed Mummy's Mask #1 (The Half-Dead City).
I haven't tried to get any newer than Mummy's Mask yet, as Iron Gods looks like it's already hard to get Iron Gods #1. I'd like to get Strange Eons too, but I'm not sure about the availability of issues for that one either.
Anyway, impressive work on filling in your back-catalog. I'm still working on mine as I'm able.
Once 2e starts, the number of books I have on my shopping list/wishlist stops growing, and I'll be focusing on filling my back-catalog of 1e stuff and buying more miniatures.
Most sadly, I'm out of the race for 'last charter subscriber', with the passage to P2E out of 3.5/D20. You gentlefolk who are still in the race are better persons than I! *salute*
If anyone is interested, of the 68 Charter subscribers who have posted to this thread, 52 remain charter now - only 16 dropped in four years!
Green Giant: Agreed, unless you've had a gap, your post proves you subscribed before the Aug 13th deadline.
Damn, that was a long time ago. Almost 12 years.
You're right, Majuba. I never did let my subscription lapse but it doesn't seem to be worth the energy to make a fuss over the charter title.
So just bumping to see who's still here
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I gave up my charter subscription about six weeks ago. PF2 just doesn’t do it for me.
I gave my charter subscription about six weeks ago. PF2 just doesn’t do it for me.
And yet you still have the tag.
I'm still here. Don't know for how long. My long running group seems to be drifting away. My second is more into fifth edition so far. I will either have to adapt the adventure to fifth edition or continu to try convinced them to learn pathfinder.
Still around, for now.
With higher (international) shipping costs, playing on VTT and all that, I might drop out by the end of the year... Not sure yet.
I am owner of every AP until now.