I have stated many times that Asians are the most discriminated in the US. I have also stated that unlike many others, it is even acceptable by many to discriminate against Asians (Especially SW Asians) and most of the time that discrimination is blatantly ignored by everyone else.
In May armed protesters were at Mosques telling people how terrible they were. In some ways, you could say it was the equivalent of burning a cross in someone's front yard, except this was at a church.
The Weekend of October 10th they are planning on doing it on a more massive scale. Supposedly they are protesting the Nation of Islam (not to be confused with Asians and the churches they are at), but they are protesting at Mosques unrelated to the Nation of Islam.
I understand this is the US, and in the US you have freedom of speech. I appreciate that right, and want it to continue. However, this would be condemned massively by the media if it were performed at most other churches and religions. Why is it acceptable to allow this type of discrimination against Asians, when against others it is seen as reprehensible and presented as such in the press?
I also understand that Muslims are not only SE or SW Asians, that there are many under the umbrella of Islam. However, most of these protests are directed specifically at SW Asians (and occasionally the SE Asians). With statements like sending Syrians back where they came from or that Muslims are going to put Sharia Law in place (which is absolutely ridiculous for most normal Muslims in the US...I'd say Christianity has more influence on the Law than anything Muslims may do) it is obvious who they have directed the hate towards.
It always boggles my mind how acceptable it is for discrimination to be directed against the smallest minority in the US (Asians, and on top of that specifically SW Asians) where even LGBT have more protections against discrimination than Asians do (supposedly because Asians are more "successful" than other races and hence supposedly aren't "Discriminated" against...which is the biggest piece of BS I've ever heard, but it is constantly stated by many).
Anyways, I'll get off my soapbox, but this is just one event out of many. I unfortunately see discrimination against Asians on a daily basis, but things like this make a very pointed effect to show that discrimination which his unacceptable against other groups of minorities in the US, seem to be applauded when it is done against Asians.
As for the protest in May, several of the members of the Mosque came out and tried to counter protest. The protest against the Mosque itself was disturbing.
May protest in Phoenix against Mosque
Talal Yousufzai, a 20-year-old Phoenix resident and lifelong attendee of the mosque, told New Times that he and others “came to defend our mosque,” and that he was shocked by the virulent hatred hurled at him and all Muslims.“This opened up my eyes that there is still a lot of racism in this country, and a lot of ignorance," he said. "This is the first time I’ve seen racism at this extreme.”
“They think everyone here supports ISIS,” Yousufzai told New Times. “They say things like ‘all you guys are terrorists, [and are] blaming the actions of ISIS on all Muslims. You can’t base the whole religion off that.” He added that he doesn't think the two gunmen became radicalized at the mosque.Chris, who asked to be identified by his first name only, said he didn’t believe what he and others on the north side were doing could be classified as provocation.
“This is America, and we can go wherever we want to," he said. "We should be allowed to express our disapproval of certain aspects of Islam.”
When asked whether it made sense to protest in front of a mosque that has publicly condemned what happened in Texas, Chris told New Times that he felt it did: “Even though these weren’t specifically the people involved, they’re a representation of what they are to me.”
I can't say the counter-protesters were all angelic and perfect on their side either (there were a few that had showed a racist type symbol) which is also shameful. There are a few bad seeds among Asians (as there are among every other race, most shootings in the US are NOT by Muslims), but most are every day people like everyone else who want freedom and acceptance. This virulent hatred against them because of the actions of a few, and the blatant racism against them, as well as many who are very willing to allow that racism against Asians to continue when it's not seen as acceptable against any other race in the US is reprehensible to a degree.
I know it is currently also happening on a much bigger scale in Europe, but one would have hoped that the US would be enlightened enough that it wouldn't happen here.
I know many feel I speak too much on the topic, but this is a discrimination which I think is blatantly in the open in the US, but no one really talks about it and it rarely makes the national news.
Just my thoughts.
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Why do you keep talking about Asians when you mean muslims? I am not saying Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and so on are not discriminated against (they are), but you are not talking about anyone other than muslims in your examples. Honestly curious to why you choose "Asians".
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When you said Asians were the most discriminated against I toned out everything you said afterwards. I can't think of anyone who consider people from the Middle East Asian from a cultural perspective. Many don't consider people from India a subset of Asian. Opening with that you lose your audience.
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I have stated many times that Asians are the most discriminated in the US.
And you were incorrect then, as you are now. (Scroll down and check the results.)
Please also note that this is not uniform across the US. I live in a city that is 38% Asian, and this includes many SE and SW Asian origins. Within a couple of miles of my home we have Persian, Japanese and Mexican markets as well as one that imports from many different countries.
I do see Islamophobia as a problem and I think that some media groups are pushing this as a political agenda. But I see increased acceptance in many areas as well.
I have stated many times that Asians are the most discriminated in the US.And you were incorrect then, as you are now. (Scroll down and check the results.)
Sounds kind of fishy to me.
Not that I would disagree with the statement that Middle Easterners aren't the most discriminated against group. Very discriminated against? Yes. One of e most discrimated against? Probably. More discriminated against than black people? I doubt it.
When you said Asians were the most discriminated against I toned out everything you said afterwards. I can't think of anyone who consider people from the Middle East Asian from a cultural perspective. Many don't consider people from India a subset of Asian. Opening with that you lose your audience.
WOW!
Well...hmmmm.
Those from SW Asia, consider themselves Asian on the categories put out by many nations. Many try to state that they are white, but when using Continental racial categories (African American, Asian and Pacific Islander, etc) they are considered Asian in most nations.
The fact that people would not consider Indians as from Asia boggles the mind. It was the distinct discrimination that Gandhi himself noted in regards to who were being treated inferior to who. It was quite obvious that the English did not consider the Indian White.
In that same regard, during the colonial period, the Ottoman empire, and the years after WWII it was quite obvious that the European (and American) did not consider the SW Asian "White."
(or South Eastern for that matter, odd that you could intern the Japanese in what everyone in the world would call concentration camps [internment camps for the gentle American mind] and yet say they were on an equal footing with everyone else for the decades that followed. Two decades later discrimination laws were being written to protect other minorities who were NOT imprisoned...but distinctly ignored the Asians in their wording at times. These were good laws to be written in regards to minorities, but to simply NOT include the smallest and hence most needful group of minorities in them shows just how prevalent the discrimination against them were. I could go on about the discrimination against Japanese and Chinese...but people are correct, I am primarily writing about the SW Asians rather than the SE Asians today).
It is also concurrent that they are not considered White today, even if some try to say that's the category that should be clicked on polls.
When you exclude the old Russian territories (though some of them would also reflect the percentages) and Russia itself, you'll find that a majority of Asia is NOT Christian, but other religions such as Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist. Islam covers Asia and is a major religion in most of the Asian nations outside of the old SSR nations. It is not the majority in most East Asian nations, but still has a sizeable representative. (Islam itself is NOT just Asians, though it is normally the Asian Muslim that is targeted in discrimination ranging from those in SE Asia all the way over the those that are part of the SW Asia. Most discrimination is focused on whether that person LOOKS to be an Asian Muslim rather than whether they are or not. If you are white Muslim, from what I've been told, most of the time it's more curiosity rather than outright hostility).
Saying that those from the Middle East (as you would put it, but this would equally apply to those from Persia, Pakistan, Thailand, and elsewhere) are not from Asia or should not be able to claim they are from Asia is like claiming Canadians or Mexicans (both major nations) or other nations in Central America cannot claim to be Americans. They are just as much Americans as those from the United States, though they are not United States Citizens (and are not seen as American of that type).
There are different cultures, but that varies as differently from nation to nation (rather than a simple area as you wont, such as the Middle East) as the United States does to that of Mexico. Believing that the same culture that resides in Jordan is the same as that in Saudi Arabia is similar to very different ideas and ideals. I lump them together as a group as that's how much of the world sees them. I am lumping them together in this instance because many of the same discriminatory practices that are okay against one are okay against others.
I DO see discrimination being excessive against other Asian cultures that are on East as well (Japanese and Chinese for example) being blatant in the US culture and in some ways FAR worse than what I've seen in Europe or elsewhere. What's worse, is that it is commonly accepted as normal because they are seen as successful.
But I am addressing that terror and hostility expressed towards those from what you term...the Middle East, or South West Asia.
However, you are correct, in this post it is addressed mostly about those from South West Asia. It does NOT matter if you are Muslim or not, the prejudice still arises when they see you or identify where you are from or what your background is. You cannot tell whether someone is Muslim simply from looking at them. Many CAN tell if you are from that portion of the world, and the ensuing discrimination occurs whether you are Muslim or not. They do it from WHAT you look like in many instances, rather than WHO you are. Churches are easy to target, and this is the specific discrimination here that I listed. However, when it is blatant enough that churches are targeted, I would hope people realize that this is simply the hatred getting elevated and popular enough that people are getting bolder.
In a time when people cheer about LGBT getting rights, and the plight of other minorities are very rightly gaining attention in the media and public eye, why is it that when South West Asians get their homes burned, children ostracized, chased out of town (or forcefully taken out of towns), no one takes notice. Then when people with armed guns go outside their churches...and start to spread the idea that this is okay...it is still ignored?
People would rather turn a blind eye than to face it when that race are people they have stereotyped into individuals they do not like. There is a blanket fear among some US Muslims these days that the SAME thing that was done to the Japanese less than a century ago, will be done to those from Asia in the future (which would refer to anyone from SW Asia most likely, regardless of religion, as well as those from other parts of Asia if they ARE Muslim...a far larger group than many people realize).
I don't think it will come to that, but it is a fear that is out there because there are people that are proposing that exact idea. There is no one out there championing against it, and overall there seems to be an attitude of if people ignore that this is happening...it's okay.
Go back 30 years in LGBT rights and you'll see people proposing to do this to others due to Aids coming out and their fears of it. It was not okay then, it's not okay now.
Racism, prejudice, and discrimination against Middle Easterners is just a subset problem of the larger Islamaphobia that has beset this country.
The ignorance of bigots shouldn't surprise you.
The point others are making is simple: Nobody says Europeans are discriminated against. The French? Sure. The Germans? Sure. Italians? Absolutely. But they're never all lumped together as "Europeans" because Spaniards are as culturally different from Bulgarians as dogs are from cats. Saying all Asians are discriminated against is not only wrong, it also misses the target. The real discrimination issue is born from religion.
Most of these problems would go away in a generation or two if we simply outlawed religion, but we don't have time for rational solutions. --George Carlin, paraphrased.
Also, one other point I would like to make: Just because certain behavior is accepted by idiots it does not make the behavior acceptable.
Racism, prejudice, and discrimination against Middle Easterners is just a subset problem of the larger Islamaphobia that has beset this country.
The ignorance of bigots shouldn't surprise you.
The point others are making is simple: Nobody says Europeans are discriminated against. The French? Sure. The Germans? Sure. Italians? Absolutely. But they're never all lumped together as "Europeans" because Spaniards are as culturally different from Bulgarians as dogs are from cats. Saying all Asians are discriminated against is not only wrong, it also misses the target. The real discrimination issue is born from religion.
Most of these problems would go away in a generation or two if we simply outlawed religion, but we don't have time for rational solutions. --George Carlin, paraphrased.
Those are all Europeans when you state them.
You lump ever OTHER continent together. Do you say there is discrimination against Congo-Americans, Ethiopian-Americans, Kenyan-Americans, or do you refer to that discrimination as that against African Americans?
How about Hispanics, do you differentiate between that of someone from different nations, or do you lump them all together as Hispanics (or more interestingly and incorrectly, sometimes people refer to all of them as being from Mexico).
Even in the US, you don't look at it as discrimination against the Cherokee or the Ute or the Navaho, you look at it from the entirety of Native American.
The Only group you list as by their different nations are those from Europe and occasionally the Russian territories. Everyone else seems to meld together culturally and ethnically in the US in regards to what discrimination stereotypes and applies that hatred towards.
Edit: I should add, it is correct in assuming that I am coming from a SW Asian viewpoint, BUT when you discuss Muslims, that discussion of discrimination actually includes Most of Asia, including as sizeable portion of Chinese and many more Thai than most would realize (which is SE Asia). The discrimination isn't simply confined to SW Asians, but to Asians of all types. In some ways, though it is extremely severe against SW Asians (and you could include NW Africans to a degree) at this time, some of those from the SE who are Muslim have it even worse. If they go out in cultural garb (which some may regard as being Islamic in influence) they deal with both that of being a Muslim as well as that of being from SE Asia (a much harder time getting into universities despite studies showing they should have similar requirements to others, harder time getting and retaining employment...etc).
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The problem with African-Americans is that many of us lost most of our roots. We don´t know anymore if originally we were from Congo, or Kenya or Sudan, and even if we knew, on the centuries after we broght here, we mixed so much among ourselves that the only origin we have now is that we came from somewhere in Africa. So the generic term African-American.
You are right, I suppose when I talk about these things, the thing I point out is the wrongness of acceptable discrimination. How in much of the US what is not acceptable to do to African Americans, Hispanics, or even LGBT is perfectly fine to do against Asians (and in that I mean Asians, not just SW or SE Asians, but Asians overall. The parameters of discrimination distinctly mark out Hispanic miniorities, African American Minorities, Native American Minorities, and occasionally Pacific Islander Minorities, but distinctly exclude anyone from Asia as a minority (despite perhaps being one of the most obvious minorities in the US as having less of them than any other racial demographic compared to at least two of the above).
There ARE distinct and vast differences between cultures and how they are viewed by Americans between those from SW Asia, SC Asia, and SE Asia, but they ALL are part of that portion where they are excluded from the protections other minorities experience in the US in many instances.
This is why I say they are the worst, simply because what you cannot do to an African American, you ARE allowed to do to an Asian American (were you aware that whilst everyone was looking at the cake baking incident for LGBT, there were SE Asians as well as SW Asians that were refused the ability to buy necessary appliances in an area of the US? I'd think that was much more pertinent to rights and discrimination than a cake...but guess which case was actually taken up by the higher courts and got media attention?).
I admit, it may not be the worst in the US, but the very fact that it is allowable to discriminate against Asians regardless of where they are while it is illegal to do so against other minorities in regards to some areas brings excessive red flags.
I unfortunately can only relate to what is in my experiences, which means you are correct, I cannot categorically say Asians have it the worst. I can only say it's pretty bad currently, and even the courts normally seem to side against those who are of SW Asian descent (regardless of whether they are Muslim or not). From discussions this seems to be something that happens a lot to ALL people from the Asian continent and not merely limited to those from SW Asia.
Unfortunately, unless it's a Forum for Asians, there are almost NO forums or areas which are actually sympathetic to Asians...and most would rather either ignore the situation or say it does not exist. In that light I suppose my biggest hope is to actually bring notice to it here, rather than hope that there would be true meaningful discussion of why it is happening and how to end or prevent it.
I believe George Takei is actually on some of the fight against Asian Discrimination, but ironically is more famous for LGBT rights these days. He's from E Asian heritage, but I think he also understands that this discrimination isn't just something that East Asians experience, but Asians from all parts of Asia (E, SW, SC, and SE).
I bring it from my viewpoint and that of the SW Asian, but when I say Asian as a whole, it's because I see this as something that is a fight against discrimination for ALL Asians, not just those from a particular area of Asia which I happen to have more experience with currently.
Personally I've dealt with death threats, personal attacks (physical attacks), robberies, vandalism, job discrimination and other crimes against me due to my background. I also see how no one really cares because if it happens to an Asian, that's okay...but if it happens to some other minority...it's not in the same area in the same city. I know it also happens to African Americans...but at times I see where they'll be ignored in that light, but it will happen to an Asian.
True Story...some years ago I was driving down the road with a date. I was pulled over by the police and then they searched my vehicle and interviewed my date. There was no real reason to do it. However, they asked my date directly if they were kidnapped or hijacked and if she was in need of help or rescuing...that was their reasoning.
She told them she was not and she was fine...and after a vehicle search where they found nothing, we were let go. She related what they had asked when they took her aside when we were back in the vehicle and driving off.
It was legal apparently, even without any kidnappings recently. This is what I deal with at times in the wrong places every day. That's what I view as discrimination...and perhaps colors my picture of WHY it is currently so bad.
When Brits say "Asian", they tend to specifically consider S Asians, being their primary domestic Asian populace.
While Muslims are not an outright majority of the broadest meaning "Asian" group even in UK, they come close to it,
and certainly are majority of S Asians in UK which is vast majority of UK Asians, and are by far the largest religion of all UK Asians.
S Asian ethnicity Muslims far outnumber SW Asian Muslims (Arab, Persian) in the UK,
groups who would be less likely to self-identify as "Asian" although that being the UK idiom, it is understood/used by all.
When Americans say "Asian" they aren't generally thinking of Arabs or Persians or even Indians/Pakistanis.
Those groups (except Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi) are not officially counted as Asian, nor in popular idiom or understanding,
by which they tend to be viewed as unique ethnogroup (even if this grouping doesn't fit self-identification of it's members)
Americans tend to assume "Asia(n)" only/primarily applies to E/SE Asia, because this is their primary domestic Asian populace.
Muslims comprise less than 10 percent of Asians in the US, using the US standard of Asian (INCLUDING S Asian, not SW, much less not including those).
SW Asian (Arab, Persian) Muslims in the US (not considered Asian) far outnumber S Asian Muslims in the US.
Thus discrimination vs. US-definition Asians and vs. Muslims/S/SW Asians tends to be understood as discrete issues.
Islam is the most populous religion in broadest definition Asia, but only comprises 1/4 of that population.
E/SE Asia comprise barely more than half of population of broad definition of Asia.
So everybody is influenced by local norms and assumptions, and language is not rigorously objective,
but rather is created to serve the purposes of the community creating it. Shocking, huh?
Non-Muslim S/SW Asians often also face similar prejudice based on ignorance of non-Muslim S/SW Asians/ racialization of religion,
so addressing religious tensions or prejudice also expressed as racial prejudice is relevant.
(however "racial groups" may be interpreted at a local level, which as this thread shows, varies considerably)
I see the kind of attitudes in this article and the oft-cited poll about an atheist being less acceptable as president, but somehow that doesn't seem to translate into the same kind of real life discrimination many other groups face.
It's hard to say why.
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Because even if you tattoo atheist on your forehead a hat can cover it.
I think stereotypes plays a HUGE factor into it. This is an area which atheist really don't dominate. If you look at movies from Hollywood you normally can see where the prejudice and discrimination lie in the US in general.
For example, you can see how the SW Asian is typically portrayed in those movies (normally NOT your good guy, in fact normally the villain if anything), but also you can see that of your East Asian (interesting dynamic between portrayals of Japanese and Chinese there, with Chinese being everything from saavy business people to villains equal to anything else) to that of African Americans (most times it actually isn't complementary) and other races found in the US.
They cater to the denominator that is most out there and will bring them the most money.
I don't see all that many stereotypes about atheists though. That does not mean it does not exist, but when looking at the Hollywood stereotype it doesn't seem to portray them much overall. It does portray the priest typically (and Christian priests in general are normally in a good light).
It seems atheism is getting to be a much bigger area in the US (I think it's something like 21-23% of US citizens are no religiously affiliated with around 3% atheist and 4% agnostic) but as far as I know they claim they are not part of any religion. In that light, they could be classified as a religious minority, but they are not?
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You always lose my interest whenever you try and turn it into a pissing contest of who is discriminated against more. Seriously, just stop trying to prove who has it worse. It helps no one.
Take the opening paragraph of the thread:
I have stated many times that Asians are the most discriminated in the US. I have also stated that unlike many others, it is even acceptable by many to discriminate against Asians (Especially SW Asians) and most of the time that discrimination is blatantly ignored by everyone else.
If it were instead more like this:
I have stated many times that Asians are discriminated against in the US. I have stated many times how it can even be acceptable to discriminate against Asians and most of the time that discrimination is blatantly ignored.
The difference might seem subtle, but it's huge. Instead of making it a comparison of who has it worse, you just talk about how bad the problem is. I'd be willing to have that conversation, read up on it and learn about it.
I am not willing to listen you tell us why we should ignore discrimination against other groups and only focus on what you want to us to focus on. Because that's how you continuously come across.
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Discrimination patterns vary from state to state, city to city, and even by neighborhoods.
Since 9/11, bigotry against muslims, arabs, and anyone the ignorant can mistake for a muslim or arab has been growing. George W. Bush (whom I did not like) actually managed to keep a lid on it at first by speaking out against bigotry shortly after the attacks, but it kept slowly growing and then went into overdrive with the whole 'Obama is a muslim manchurian candidate who is going to impose sharia law and rape all our women!' nonsense. It has now gotten to the point that the two candidates leading the GOP presidential nomination race have both made multiple very offensive comments about muslims... and yet somehow not suffered for it. If anything, it might be helping them. You also get some leftists like Bill Maher who are every bit as bad on this issue.
Bigotry against women, african-americans, homosexuals, and transgendered individuals has all been on the decline and fallen out of the realm of 'socially acceptable'. I don't think muslim/arab hatred has reached 'socially acceptable' levels for most segments of the population yet, but it has definitely seen the most profound recent growth.
You always lose my interest whenever you try and turn it into a pissing contest of who is discriminated against more. Seriously, just stop trying to prove who has it worse. It helps no one.
Take the opening paragraph of the thread:
I have stated many times that Asians are the most discriminated in the US. I have also stated that unlike many others, it is even acceptable by many to discriminate against Asians (Especially SW Asians) and most of the time that discrimination is blatantly ignored by everyone else.If it were instead more like this:
I have stated many times that Asians are discriminated against in the US. I have stated many times how it can even be acceptable to discriminate against Asians and most of the time that discrimination is blatantly ignored.The difference might seem subtle, but it's huge. Instead of making it a comparison of who has it worse, you just talk about how bad the problem is. I'd be willing to have that conversation, read up on it and learn about it.
I am not willing to listen you tell us why we should ignore discrimination against other groups and only focus on what you want to us to focus on. Because that's how you continuously come across.
Hiding thread.
You are right, it's bad...
I admit, it might not be the worst in the US...perhaps that was a mistake. I don't know of many other groups that are currently directly as threatened though, perhaps that is my ignorance of their plight. I don't know.
I suppose it's from my viewpoint. As I explained, the reason I say this is because it is LEGAL to discriminate against Asians in many areas where it is illegal against any one else. AA specifically does NOT include Asians (of any sort) in many of it's discrimination protections.
Did you know that you can actually discriminate on the basis of religion or race if you are Asian in some legal distinctions as opposed to any other race (and in some cases you even have more protection if you are LGBT). Are you aware that Asian americans were actually in concentration camps in the US less than a century ago (though they are called internment camps in the US) and that there is talk about putting all SW Asians (or Muslims) in them again?
The ONLY other minority I know of where it has been suggested either exiling them all or putting them into camps in the US in the past 3 decades have been those who are LGBT. Other minorities have may have it bad, and I do NOT discourage discussion on that, but when it comes to arming yourselves against unarmed civilians to intimidate them, talk about forcing them out of the nation even if they have done nothing and are legal citizens, or putting them into concentration camps...this is bad stuff. The most notorious of nations that discussed doing things like this was Nazi Germany (and there are proposals from the more radical groups of doing just that to Muslims in the US as well...though not in reference to Nazi Germany, just gathering all of them up and killing them as a measure of "defense" against their "invasion" idea) yet when we say...never again...
When it starts to get blatantly in our faces...people ignore it and say...oh...everyone has discrimination...this isn't that bad.
Yes...it is and it's getting worse. I for one do NOT want to go to a concentration camp only to be killed because of what I look like or who I am...and though we are seeing the vestiges of it in the US...people are saying....oh...you are only saying this because you want to ignore everyone else being discriminated against.
I'm not saying that at all...what I'm saying is most people are ignoring just how bad it is getting in regards to being Muslim or SW Asian in the US...either due to ignorance of those who are pushing these issues, or blatant disregard.
I expect when they do come to round all the SW Asians up, it will be more of the same...but I hope that enough consciousness can be brought to the issue before that ever happens. This is why I bring it up again and again...because there IS a push in the US to do this to SW Asians eventually...and just like it has happened in the past...people are either oblivious to it, or unconsciously in agreement through inaction.
This is a very real fear in the SW Asian community from what I can tell right now...though assurances are there that it won't happen because people DO remember and would not allow it.
However, I am constantly reminded that people do NOT remember...and would rather not see rather than deal with it.
This is a minority of people pushing for it...but all it takes for that minority to be successful is that everyone else does nothing.
PS: I AM a normal person, I am do not side with extremism that is the stereotype in any way. Most Asians do NOT...and in fact are strongly opposed to it. This is very real discrimination...one that is being faced on a daily basis. I see myself as a very normal American in many ways, I'm into Video Games, Pathfinder, Books, nature, and freedom.
I'm certain you'd find most Muslims from wherever they are from are as well...and you'd find Asians are also. What you don't see is that even if we are just like everyone else, the discrimination we face is not.
I think discrimination is bad against anyone (and I regularly participate in threads to show my support in regards to other minorities). This is not to detract from their situation, but to point out how bad it is becoming for a certain group of people that most in the US seem to not even realize have problems, much less how serious it's getting.
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As I explained, the reason I say this is because it is LEGAL to discriminate against Asians in many areas where it is illegal against any one else.
This isn't the case.
The law sometimes is not applied equally, but there is absolutely not any actual legal difference between muslims and any other religion or arabs and any other ethnicity. Same laws apply.
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