paizo.com Recent Posts in Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?paizo.com Recent Posts in Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?2015-09-29T02:37:28Z2015-09-29T02:37:28ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Avhhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#812015-09-29T20:57:23Z2015-09-29T20:57:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thunderbeard wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote>f they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something.</blockquote>Unless the enemies have more casters on their team (say, low-level bodyguard clerics, or just Arcanists), or the parties rely on their wizard's save-or-die spells in every fight (like most high-level parties). </blockquote><p>Low level bodyguard clerics won't identify the spells. So, problem solved.
<p>And if by luck they manage to identify it, they will have to use a very high level spell for them (Dispel magic) and even then have very low chance of counterspelling (50%, -5% per level behind the PC level).</p>
<p>If you have a PC who is 10th level against several 5th level clerics, we're looking at 11.25% chance of counterspelling a 5th level spell (if it is possible to counterspell it). It raises at 50% chance if 6 clerics try at the same time...</p>thunderbeard wrote:Rynjin wrote:f they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something.
Unless the enemies have more casters on their team (say, low-level bodyguard clerics, or just Arcanists), or the parties rely on their wizard's save-or-die spells in every fight (like most high-level parties). Low level bodyguard clerics won't identify the spells. So, problem solved. And if...Avh2015-09-29T20:57:23ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Devilkillerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#802015-09-29T19:56:59Z2015-09-29T19:56:59Z<p>Can you counterspell a spell with a wand or scroll of the same spell? How about with a spell like ability?</p>Can you counterspell a spell with a wand or scroll of the same spell? How about with a spell like ability?Devilkiller2015-09-29T19:56:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?thunderbeardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#792015-09-29T19:38:24Z2015-09-29T19:38:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote>f they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something.</blockquote><p>Unless the enemies have more casters on their team (say, low-level bodyguard clerics, or just Arcanists), or the parties rely on their wizard's save-or-die spells in every fight (like most high-level parties).Rynjin wrote:f they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something.
Unless the enemies have more casters on their team (say, low-level bodyguard clerics, or just Arcanists), or the parties rely on their wizard's save-or-die spells in every fight (like most high-level parties).thunderbeard2015-09-29T19:38:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Vatrashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#782015-09-29T18:50:42Z2015-09-29T18:50:42Z<p>Very rarely, and the caster was a spontaneous one using a Dispel. Happened only against known heavy spellcasters to shut down their offensive (like Mokmurian in RotRL and a certain lich).</p>Very rarely, and the caster was a spontaneous one using a Dispel. Happened only against known heavy spellcasters to shut down their offensive (like Mokmurian in RotRL and a certain lich).Vatras2015-09-29T18:50:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Threeshadeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#772015-09-29T15:36:30Z2015-09-29T15:36:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Domestichauscat wrote:</div><blockquote> Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums! </blockquote><p>Well, counterspelling if it were more powerful in general, would actually be an indirect nice thing for martials. Even though its casters who get the ability, it's also casters that are the only ones affected by it. Spells would be cast successfully less frequently.Domestichauscat wrote:Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums!
Well, counterspelling if it were more powerful in general, would actually be an indirect nice thing for martials. Even though its casters who get the ability, it's also casters that are the only ones affected by it. Spells would be cast successfully less frequently.Threeshades2015-09-29T15:36:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Devilkillerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#762015-09-29T15:16:48Z2015-09-29T15:16:48Z<p>I've seen counterspells from time to time. There was a spell back in 3.5 which made them a lot easier to use...maybe Spell Ward or something...</p>
<p>I think one of the main reason counterspells don't get used a lot is that spellcasters aren't very common enemies in a lot of adventures. A lot of monsters have spell like abilities, but I don't think those can be counterspelled (or at least I haven't seen somebody do it)</p>I've seen counterspells from time to time. There was a spell back in 3.5 which made them a lot easier to use...maybe Spell Ward or something...
I think one of the main reason counterspells don't get used a lot is that spellcasters aren't very common enemies in a lot of adventures. A lot of monsters have spell like abilities, but I don't think those can be counterspelled (or at least I haven't seen somebody do it)Devilkiller2015-09-29T15:16:48ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?CriticalQuithttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#752015-09-29T15:09:06Z2015-09-29T15:09:06Z<p>In my old game, the party's oracle had readied counterspelling for a particular enemy type in an urgathoa cult. He wanted to counterspell any of their uses of Finger of Death. </p>
<p>Also, I counterspelled his Black Tentacles. get dunked on</p>In my old game, the party's oracle had readied counterspelling for a particular enemy type in an urgathoa cult. He wanted to counterspell any of their uses of Finger of Death.
Also, I counterspelled his Black Tentacles. get dunked onCriticalQuit2015-09-29T15:09:06ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#742015-09-29T14:45:03Z2015-09-29T14:45:03Z<p>Do you mean a 1 round action?</p>Do you mean a 1 round action?Kobold Catgirl2015-09-29T14:45:03ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Charon's Little Helperhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#732015-09-29T14:15:27Z2015-09-29T14:15:27Z<p>For a wizard or other primary spellcaster it seems like bad action economy. (unless you can do it faster with the arcanist etc) You're giving up your turn to maybe cancel what they do on their turn.</p>
<p>I have considered (though never played) building a bard to be awesome at counter-spelling. It's a much more valid option for a bard as, while full caster level, their actual casting is inferior. </p>
<p>In addition, they're helping their allies just by being there using inspire courage and using ooc buffs, so readying an action to dispel isn't really removing them from the combat for the round.</p>
<p>Frankly though - counter-spelling is another reason that I think that most spells should be pushed up to a full-round action. You could spellcraft what spell they're casting and if you have it, counter it 100% on your turn.</p>For a wizard or other primary spellcaster it seems like bad action economy. (unless you can do it faster with the arcanist etc) You're giving up your turn to maybe cancel what they do on their turn.
I have considered (though never played) building a bard to be awesome at counter-spelling. It's a much more valid option for a bard as, while full caster level, their actual casting is inferior.
In addition, they're helping their allies just by being there using inspire courage and using ooc...Charon's Little Helper2015-09-29T14:15:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Louis IX (alias of Louis Capet)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#722015-09-29T10:11:43Z2015-09-29T10:11:43Z<p>Build a sorcerer with Dispel Magic and take a look at these...</p>
<p>Some interesting feats from Kobold Press:
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- Opportunity Counterspell: counterspell as immediate action
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- Counterspell Feedback: spell countered deals damage to caster
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- Usurp Spell: gain benefit from countered spell
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- Dispel Mastery: +3 to checks</p>
<p>From Rite Publishing:
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- Focused Dispelling: +4 to dispel checks
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- Improved version: can reroll 1/day</p>
<p>Trait:
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- Spell Duel Prodigy: +2 to identify and counter a spell being cast</p>Build a sorcerer with Dispel Magic and take a look at these...
Some interesting feats from Kobold Press:
- Opportunity Counterspell: counterspell as immediate action
- Counterspell Feedback: spell countered deals damage to caster
- Usurp Spell: gain benefit from countered spell
- Dispel Mastery: +3 to checks
From Rite Publishing:
- Focused Dispelling: +4 to dispel checks
- Improved version: can reroll 1/day
Trait:
- Spell Duel Prodigy: +2 to identify and counter a spell being castLouis IX (alias of Louis Capet)2015-09-29T10:11:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#712015-09-29T02:21:20Z2015-09-29T02:21:20Z<p>What if Universalist wizards got Improved Counterspell for free? They've always been the weakest school, as far as I can tell, so it wouldn't overpower them grotesquely.</p>What if Universalist wizards got Improved Counterspell for free? They've always been the weakest school, as far as I can tell, so it wouldn't overpower them grotesquely.Kobold Catgirl2015-09-29T02:21:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?requiem_in_mortishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#702015-09-28T22:21:37Z2015-09-28T22:21:37Z<p>The rules for counterspelling are so specific and stupid that I honestly just house-ruled it out. If you've identified the spell and can cast either that spell, Dispel Magic or Greater Dispel Magic, I let you counterspell as an immediate action with a caster level check. With Improved Counterspell, I let you do it so long as it's a spell of the same level or higher and of the same school of magic.</p>
<p>Still not perfect, but I find it preferable to the actual system in the game.</p>The rules for counterspelling are so specific and stupid that I honestly just house-ruled it out. If you've identified the spell and can cast either that spell, Dispel Magic or Greater Dispel Magic, I let you counterspell as an immediate action with a caster level check. With Improved Counterspell, I let you do it so long as it's a spell of the same level or higher and of the same school of magic.
Still not perfect, but I find it preferable to the actual system in the game.requiem_in_mortis2015-09-28T22:21:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Pixie, the Leng Queen (alias of Noireve)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#692015-09-28T21:12:19Z2015-09-28T21:12:19Z<p>Hm.... i wonder how a psychic would do... since they can latch a dispel effect on a spell.</p>
<p>Just ready an action to damage them with a spell as they cast so yhey got to pass a concentration check AND have stuff dispelled on themm</p>Hm.... i wonder how a psychic would do... since they can latch a dispel effect on a spell.
Just ready an action to damage them with a spell as they cast so yhey got to pass a concentration check AND have stuff dispelled on themmPixie, the Leng Queen (alias of Noireve)2015-09-28T21:12:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Icehawkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#682015-09-28T19:25:03Z2015-09-28T19:25:03Z<p>I see it constantly in my Wrath of the Righteous game. Archmage Wizard does it to basically every spell using Flexible Counter. It's amusing that it makes the spellcasters sort of meaningless in fights but all those spell likes which cannot be countered matter a bunch. He just burns through mythic points fairly quick with it.</p>I see it constantly in my Wrath of the Righteous game. Archmage Wizard does it to basically every spell using Flexible Counter. It's amusing that it makes the spellcasters sort of meaningless in fights but all those spell likes which cannot be countered matter a bunch. He just burns through mythic points fairly quick with it.Icehawk2015-09-28T19:25:03ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Imbicatushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#672015-09-28T19:23:09Z2015-09-28T19:23:09Z<p>I may end up using it with a kineticist, as kinetic blast can counterspell any spell of it's elemental type. Otherwise, not so much.</p>I may end up using it with a kineticist, as kinetic blast can counterspell any spell of it's elemental type. Otherwise, not so much.Imbicatus2015-09-28T19:23:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?voska66https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#662015-09-28T19:10:49Z2015-09-28T19:10:49Z<p>It happens from time to time in games I run.</p>It happens from time to time in games I run.voska662015-09-28T19:10:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Sangerinehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#652015-09-28T16:21:56Z2015-09-28T16:21:56Z<p>I had a gunslinger(musketMaster) who liked to counterspell via the readied action(doubleBarrelShotgun).</p>I had a gunslinger(musketMaster) who liked to counterspell via the readied action(doubleBarrelShotgun).Sangerine2015-09-28T16:21:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?RealAlchemyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#642015-09-28T15:45:15Z2015-09-28T15:45:15Z<p>Good ways to "counterspell" include lipstitch, curse (to lower casting stat), enervation, silence, or a good old fashioned lightning bolt.</p>Good ways to "counterspell" include lipstitch, curse (to lower casting stat), enervation, silence, or a good old fashioned lightning bolt.RealAlchemy2015-09-28T15:45:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?alexd1976https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#632015-09-28T15:31:30Z2015-09-28T15:31:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Threeshades wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I was wondering, has anyone ever seen a character actually <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Counterspells" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">counterspell</a> something?</p>
<p>You have to know (and have prepared if you're a prepared caster) any spell you want to counter and expend one of your own uses of that spell. But in order to do that you have to ready an action. So you have to gamble your own turn on the chance that your opponent is going to cast a spell that you have ready and that has you within its range on their next turn and then still have to succeed at a spellcraft check.</p>
<p>This seems like such an unlikely gamble that I don't ever see a counterspell happen in an actual game of Pathfinder. And in my hisory of playing 3rd edition since 3.0 through PF I have never seen anyone even attempt to counterspell anything.</p>
<p>So what about you? Have you ever seen someone attempt a counterspell? Did it work? Was it worth it? </blockquote><p>You don't have to use the same spell, you can use Dispel Magic as well.
<p>yes, have seen it, many times.</p>Threeshades wrote:I was wondering, has anyone ever seen a character actually counterspell something?
You have to know (and have prepared if you're a prepared caster) any spell you want to counter and expend one of your own uses of that spell. But in order to do that you have to ready an action. So you have to gamble your own turn on the chance that your opponent is going to cast a spell that you have ready and that has you within its range on their next turn and then still have to succeed at...alexd19762015-09-28T15:31:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Dekalinderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#622015-09-28T11:28:31Z2015-09-28T11:28:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Domestichauscat wrote:</div><blockquote> Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums! </blockquote><p>Nope, you stumbled on a thread of people saying "I wish there was a way to counteract spellcaster without having to OTK them"Domestichauscat wrote:Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums!
Nope, you stumbled on a thread of people saying "I wish there was a way to counteract spellcaster without having to OTK them"Dekalinder2015-09-28T11:28:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Snowblindhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#612015-09-28T11:19:01Z2015-09-28T11:19:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Domestichauscat wrote:</div><blockquote> Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums! </blockquote><p>It's a nice thing for casters to use against other casters. It <i>not</i> being useful also is nice for casters, since they can also be on the receiving end. It's a bit of a moot point as far as non-casters go, since a good counter-spelling mechanic could be used to both shutting down critical martial buffs and shutting down effects that lock mundanes out of combat.
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">ElyasRavenwood wrote:</div><blockquote> I have seen counter spelling a couple of times.... </blockquote><p>Wouldn't the Wizard be better off tossing Fireballs? At level 7 a fireball will deal about 25 damage. Readied against Black Tentacles you are looking at a DC39 concentration check to keep the spell...yeah, no. Plus you don't need to worry about dispel checks or having the right spells - just ready and nuke. Heck, you can even counter with things like Snowball and Magic Missile - A CL7 Magic Missile is likely to cause a DC28 concentration check against the Black Tentacles, which is more likely to work than a dispel check.Domestichauscat wrote:Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums!
It's a nice thing for casters to use against other casters. It not being useful also is nice for casters, since they can also be on the receiving end. It's a bit of a moot point as far as non-casters go, since a good counter-spelling mechanic could be used to both shutting down...Snowblind2015-09-28T11:19:01ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?ElyasRavenwoodhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#602015-09-28T11:15:16Z2015-09-28T11:15:16Z<p>I have seen counter spelling a couple of times. </p>
<p>One time it was from a PC wizard. There was a sorcerer in the party as well. The sorcerer would go on the offensive. The wizard readied an action to counter spell......and counter spelled an Evard's Black Tentacle spell. Yep it was worth it. </p>
<p>I then took the tactic and used it once to counter an Evard's black tentacle myself as well. </p>
<p>Sometimes you simply don't want a spell to happen.</p>I have seen counter spelling a couple of times.
One time it was from a PC wizard. There was a sorcerer in the party as well. The sorcerer would go on the offensive. The wizard readied an action to counter spell......and counter spelled an Evard's Black Tentacle spell. Yep it was worth it.
I then took the tactic and used it once to counter an Evard's black tentacle myself as well.
Sometimes you simply don't want a spell to happen.ElyasRavenwood2015-09-28T11:15:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Domestichauscathttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#592015-09-29T12:19:27Z2015-09-28T11:13:40Z<p>Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums!</p>Did I just stumble on a thread of people saying "this nice thing for casters really isn't a nice thing?" Woah, this never happens! I think I stumbled into the bizarro world of the paizo forums!Domestichauscat2015-09-28T11:13:40ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Dekalinderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#582015-09-28T08:32:24Z2015-09-28T08:32:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:</div><blockquote><p> A <i>counterspell</i> spell in the vein of Magic: The Gathering, where counterspelling is all it can do and it's cast as an immediate action, seems like an awfully reasonable 4th- or 5th-level spell. As a matter of fact, having thought of it, I'm really surprised neither Wizards of the Coast nor Paizo thought of/implemented it before.</p>
<p>Alternatively, how about a feat that enabled you to counterspell using the same spell of your own as an immediate action? </blockquote><p>Actually there was quite a few. Duel Ward (5° level, counterspell as immediate and +4 to check) and the more powerfull version Battlemagic Perception (3° level, counterspell as <i>free</i>) published later when they realized the first was totally not worth it.
<p>Additionally, in 3.5 the Arcanist Counterspell exploit was a feat called Reactive Counterspell.</p>I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:A counterspell spell in the vein of Magic: The Gathering, where counterspelling is all it can do and it's cast as an immediate action, seems like an awfully reasonable 4th- or 5th-level spell. As a matter of fact, having thought of it, I'm really surprised neither Wizards of the Coast nor Paizo thought of/implemented it before.
Alternatively, how about a feat that enabled you to counterspell using the same spell of your own as an immediate action?
Actually...Dekalinder2015-09-28T08:32:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Have you ever seen a counterspell happen?Pixie, the Leng Queen (alias of Noireve)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syud&page=2?Have-you-ever-seen-a-counterspell-happen#572015-09-28T06:00:24Z2015-09-28T06:00:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">thunderbeard wrote:</div><blockquote> When I GM, my NPCs counterspell all the time! Best way there is to nerf wizards. </blockquote><p>You mean nerf enemy casters? If they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something.
<p>I know I'd much rather face an enemy who doesn't do anything than one who chucks save or suck/dies and whatnot at me, as any class. </blockquote><p>Kinda depends. Especially with an NPC arcanist, ypu can effectively lock down a party with a few counter specialized arcanists w/familiar.
<p>You keep the ability to fly about, counter any ability to fly up to you, gain control of any spells they my try and throw at ypu that are controllable. On top of that, layering anti magic fields on.familairs hidong around... just 2 can be quite nasty and tpugh to deal with without archers...</p>Rynjin wrote:thunderbeard wrote: When I GM, my NPCs counterspell all the time! Best way there is to nerf wizards.
You mean nerf enemy casters? If they're counterspelling, they're not casting. They've traded their ability to actually accomplish anything for the ability to make someone else not accomplish something. I know I'd much rather face an enemy who doesn't do anything than one who chucks save or suck/dies and whatnot at me, as any class. Kinda depends. Especially with an NPC arcanist,...Pixie, the Leng Queen (alias of Noireve)2015-09-28T06:00:24Z