*Seldom Asked Questions
1) Do you get free (gp) implements at 1st level ?
2) Does the Samsaran alternate trait Mystic Past Life work with psychic spells ?
3) Can the focus power for example legacy weapon stack if they provide different abilities eg keen and bane ( on a +1 sword) at first level ?
That is all
1) It doesn't say so anywhere. I'd assume you have to buy them.
2) Technically, yes. As long as they are in another class' psychic spell list only though.
3) Nothing in the language says it can't, but you bet your ass your GM will say it doesn't work, because it was clearly intended to be that way.
Because all similar abilities work that way. If it didn't, it would be called out specifically.
*Seldom Asked Questions
1) Do you get free (gp) implements at 1st level ?
2) Does the Samsaran alternate trait Mystic Past Life work with psychic spells ?
3) Can the focus power for example legacy weapon stack if they provide different abilities eg keen and bane ( on a +1 sword) at first level ?That is all
Your phrasing for part 3 is very confusing. What are you trying to stack Legacy Weapon with?
Your phrasing for part 3 is very confusing. What are you trying to stack Legacy Weapon with?*Seldom Asked Questions
1) Do you get free (gp) implements at 1st level ?
2) Does the Samsaran alternate trait Mystic Past Life work with psychic spells ?
3) Can the focus power for example legacy weapon stack if they provide different abilities eg keen and bane ( on a +1 sword) at first level ?That is all
With a second use of legacy weapon.
no, the same ability can't add again, because same abilities don't stack.
no, the same ability can't add again, because same abilities don't stack.
You're thinking of bonuses. Everything else does stack with itself, unless it says otherwise.
no, the same ability can't add again, because same abilities don't stack.You're thinking of bonuses. Everything else does stack with itself, unless it says otherwise.
This would be good it would then be possible to have a flaming, frost, shocking, corrosive +1 weapon for 5 rounds at 1st level. Then again maybe not so good a bit powerful.
Chess Pwn is correct. The general rule is that multiple applications of the same spell or ability do not stack with each other. This would be "same effect with differing results" from the magic chapter, so it would default to the later use of legacy weapon trumping the earlier.
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Chess Pwn is correct. The general rule is that multiple applications of the same spell or ability do not stack with each other. This would be "same effect with differing results" from the magic chapter, so it would default to the later use of legacy weapon trumping the earlier.
Is this the same with a spell such as Resist Energy? Trying to add resist fire and resist acid effects together defaults to the latest casting? (Bit of a thread jump)
Even the same ability can be considered a different source, though. So just because it's the same ability doesn't necessarily mean it won't stack.
There's even an official FAQ for it.
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Reading it further, Legacy Weapon says it grants an enhancement bonus (for which you can use it to purchase things like flaming or frost). As these are all enhancement bonuses, they shouldn't stack.
Conversely, the Physical Enhancement implementation could be used multiple times, each time applying to a different physical ability. Just like the Legacy Weapon can apply to different weapons. But neither can be used on the same target for the same bonus (an enhancement bonus in both cases).
This also means that you have to be careful when using Legacy Weapon on magic weapons, as is may be a waste of your powers.
Even the same ability can be considered a different source, though. So just because it's the same ability doesn't necessarily mean it won't stack.
There's even an official FAQ for it.
Yup, exactly so. There are exceptions out there to that general rule too (otherwise it's too general and wouldn't play well with things like catching multiple diseases). I was thinking of mentioning the evil eye FAQ in my post as well, but didn't want to muddy the waters right away.
Yup, exactly so. There are exceptions out there to that general rule too (otherwise it's too general and wouldn't play well with things like catching multiple diseases). I was thinking of mentioning the evil eye FAQ in my post as well, but didn't want to muddy the waters right away.Even the same ability can be considered a different source, though. So just because it's the same ability doesn't necessarily mean it won't stack.
There's even an official FAQ for it.
How do we figure out what stacks and what doesn't, then?
I can see from a balance stand point why you might want to allow energy resistance applied multiple times, while simultaneously not allowing multiple instances of enhancements on the same weapon.
However, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two rules-wise.
Should we just go on here to get an individual assessment of everything?
To further would adding two different bane abilities count as different effects such as orc and human against half orcs this could get problematic fast.
In general, if something gives the same type of bonus, like an enhancement bonus, then it doesn't stack unless the ability specifically says otherwise (for example, dodge bonuses stack).
If the bonus it gives is not typed or it is a different bonus, then it will stack.
The Witch Hex Evil Eye is a good example. When it gives a penalty to AC, it won't stack with another use that gives another penalty to AC. But it will stack with another use that gives a penalty to something else, like attack or saves.
Our example for this thread - legacy weapon - gives an enhancement bonus, following the magic weapon rules. So in order to get flaming or bane or keen or any other magical ability, you have to have an enhancement bonus equivalent to the cost of that ability. This means that you're actually getting and enhancement bonus, so it won't stack with itself or with other abilities that grant an enhancement bonus (the highest bonus will apply).
It isn't the simplest of rule systems, but it does make a bit of sense.
The special abilities are only +1 etc for determining the price or total allowable bonus (+10 from Pg 468 crb) so there is not a specific bonus or if it is it is untyped, and I don't think in the case of a special ability it is a bonus at all. Referencing evil eye faq. I can understand flaming and flame burst not stacking for instance but given the precident of evil eye looks like most of the special abilities would stack. I can see the other perspective however and you raise a logical argument.
Yoi can only add one special ability. So at 10th level, if you had a +4 weapon you could make it a +5 Frost weapon or a +4 Icy Burst weapon but not a +4 Keen Frost weapon.
Legacy Weapon only lets you add special abilities that cost enhancement equivalents. You can't add the the ones like Transformative or Duelling that have a fixed gold value.