Am I the only one who hates the name "Antipaladin"?


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Diffan wrote:
I too hate the word Antipaladin, seems dumb. I just call them ALL paladins and remove the alignment aspect altogether. Paladin is synonymous with a warrior of faith or a cause and not specifically just a righteous one.

D&D 5E has no alignment requirements for paladins, and offers the Oathbreaker as a subclass, but you have to buy the DMG to see what they do with it. I like "Oathbreaker" as a name, though. It's very specific to an evil paladin, if you see what I mean.


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in my games antipaladins are just called paladins (of x god/demonlord)


dragonhunterq wrote:
bookrat wrote:
glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

_
glass.

Really? It's not just a combination of two words - black and guard? How does one pronounce it if not the most obvious way?

Blaggard

edit: linky

Even the US pronunciation drops the "ck". Odd!


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I'm running a game right now in a sci-fi/magic universe where one of the players is playing a... uhm... we call her an "office lady." Sort of a CEO for a CE company. As an antipaladin, her "deity," naturally, is the company itself.

This has almost nothing to do with "actual" antipaladins except to mention that we would never actually call her "antipaladin" in character. I imagine this would be the same with other "evil-paladin" classes, simply being referred to by their job (Doombringer, Paladin of [devil], CEO) rather than an by an out-of-character class.


MeanMutton wrote:
dragonhunterq wrote:
bookrat wrote:
glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

_
glass.

Really? It's not just a combination of two words - black and guard? How does one pronounce it if not the most obvious way?

Blaggard

edit: linky

Even the US pronunciation drops the "ck". Odd!

Why am I hearing a Scottish accent?

"Have at thee Blaggart!"


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Secret Wizard wrote:

I hate "Antipaladin" for the wrong reasons.

It's just that ANTI is latin and PALADIN is french.

Should be INPALADIN.

To be fair, paladin is latin via french.

from Late Latin Palatinus

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The definition of a paladin is a knight renowned for heroism and chivalry.
Seems straight forward to me that an anti paladin would be anti-heroic and anti-chivalric.

I always thought the class rogue was silly because players would introduce themselves as "Hi I'm ____. I'm a rogue." What rogue in his right mind does that?

It goes to reason that some class names shouldn't be used as character titles. Just use the "Blackguard" label when appropriate (or as anti-appropriate, for that matter)..


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In 3.5, it would have been called a paladin of slaughter. In fact, there was a name for variant paladins at each alignment extreme: honor (LG, basic paladin), freedom (CG), slaughter (CE), and tyranny (LE).


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Biztak wrote:
in my games antipaladins are just called paladins (of x god/demonlord)

In my games Paladins are called Antiblackguards.

;)


What ever happened to the Avenger from old school green box D&D (the named level for a fighter w/ a Choatic alignment. The Lawful fighter was a Paladin and I think a Neutral was a Lord.)? I liked that name the best for an "antipaladin." Its what I still call them after all.

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MeanMutton wrote:
The little copyright notice didn't list them on the PDF I was able to find. Maybe a wholly owned subsidiary?

"TSR Periodicals" (which was a division of TSR) published "The Dragon Magazine" from issues number 1 - 38

The magazine shortened its name to just "Dragon Magazine" and was published by "Dragon Publishing" (again, a division of TSR) from issue number 39 - 91

"TSR Inc." is listed as the publisher from issue number 92 onwards (at least until WotC came into the picture).


Digitalelf wrote:
MeanMutton wrote:
The little copyright notice didn't list them on the PDF I was able to find. Maybe a wholly owned subsidiary?

"TSR Periodicals" (which was a division of TSR) published "The Dragon Magazine" from issues number 1 - 38

The magazine shortened its name to just "Dragon Magazine" and was published by "Dragon Publishing" (again, a division of TSR) from issue number 39 - 91

"TSR Inc." is listed as the publisher from issue number 92 onwards (at least until WotC came into the picture).

Cool! I learned something new!


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Gisher wrote:
Biztak wrote:
in my games antipaladins are just called paladins (of x god/demonlord)

In my games Paladins are called Antiblackguards.

;)

this should be a thing


I got your back Knitifine, at my table most martial classes are referred to in universe as their occupation, where casters and some hyper specialized martials (like paladins) are referred to as their class. Does random commoner know the difference? No but who cares what they know if you call my Wizard a Sorcerer you'll get corrected.

To the OP yeah it's pretty weak, best thing you can do is rename it.

It's a good opportunity to identify how they originated in your world's universe, and derive a name from that. Riven Heart Knights, etc.


My Self wrote:
Diffan wrote:
I too hate the word Antipaladin, seems dumb. I just call them ALL paladins and remove the alignment aspect altogether. Paladin is synonymous with a warrior of faith or a cause and not specifically just a righteous one.
Antipaladins are aptly named. Why? Because they create an annihilation reaction when they come into contact with a Paladin.

Well, I had been meaning to ask about that. So this means that a Dragon should not eat both a Paladin and an Antipaladin, because they will annihilate in the Dragon's stomach.


UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Diffan wrote:
I too hate the word Antipaladin, seems dumb. I just call them ALL paladins and remove the alignment aspect altogether. Paladin is synonymous with a warrior of faith or a cause and not specifically just a righteous one.
Antipaladins are aptly named. Why? Because they create an annihilation reaction when they come into contact with a Paladin.

Well, I had been meaning to ask about that. So this means that a Dragon should not eat both a Paladin and an Antipaladin, because they will annihilate in the Dragon's stomach.

they'd probably just be good at helping his digestion until they turn on the dragon...


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Calling individuals by their class name doesn't really make sense with how much classes can change with archetypes. Mage who uses a spellbook could be a wizard, arcanist, occultist, rogue, vigilante, investigator, ninja or a magus. A mage who can do magic out of nowhere could be a bard, sorcerer, witch, bloodrager, magus, psychics, mediums, skald, investigator, oracle, etc. Guy who transforms into animals and has an animal with them could be a wizard, druid, hunter, arcanist, ranger, oracle, shaman, witch.... Even if you go with something like "Get magic powers from their heritage" you get sorcerer, bloodrager, arcanist, oracles, and magus.

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Antipasto


glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

I get that this is a pet peeve for some, but "Black Guard" would still be a better name than anti/counter/un-whatever. Actually, I think it's a better name. Blaggard means scoundrel and feels like a wretch skulking about. "Black Guard" is a champion standing up for the cause of all that is Evil.


Degnanigans wrote:
glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

I get that this is a pet peeve for some, but "Black Guard" would still be a better name than anti/counter/un-whatever. Actually, I think it's a better name. Blaggard means scoundrel and feels like a wretch skulking about. "Black Guard" is a champion standing up for the cause of all that is Evil.

The blaggard is the Blackguard's unpaid intern who is supposed to be helping out but never seems to get anything done. At least the Blackguard has a successful 3.5 resume, something that, while not as good as the Paladin's PF work, is at least not as utterly nonexistent as a blaggard.

On a rather unrelated naming note, does anybody find it weird that there is both a Skald archetype, hybrid class, and language, as well as both a Swashbuckler archetype and hybrid class? It's not like there's an archetype named "Paladin".


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My Self wrote:
Degnanigans wrote:
glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

I get that this is a pet peeve for some, but "Black Guard" would still be a better name than anti/counter/un-whatever. Actually, I think it's a better name. Blaggard means scoundrel and feels like a wretch skulking about. "Black Guard" is a champion standing up for the cause of all that is Evil.

The blaggard is the Blackguard's unpaid intern who is supposed to be helping out but never seems to get anything done. At least the Blackguard has a successful 3.5 resume, something that, while not as good as the Paladin's PF work, is at least not as utterly nonexistent as a blaggard.

On a rather unrelated naming note, does anybody find it weird that there is both a Skald archetype, hybrid class, and language, as well as both a Swashbuckler archetype and hybrid class? It's not like there's an archetype named "Paladin".

Don't forget the Precise Strike Class Feature, the other Precise Strike Class feature, and the Precise Strike teamwork feat. Paizo? Synonyms are your friends.


Green Smashomancer wrote:
My Self wrote:
Degnanigans wrote:
glass wrote:
memorax wrote:
Your not the only. I prefer Blackguard from 3.5. It seems to make the class stand out more IMO. As opposed to being the opposite of a Paladin.

The problem with Blackguard is that most people are not familiar with the word, so mispronounce it.

I get that this is a pet peeve for some, but "Black Guard" would still be a better name than anti/counter/un-whatever. Actually, I think it's a better name. Blaggard means scoundrel and feels like a wretch skulking about. "Black Guard" is a champion standing up for the cause of all that is Evil.

The blaggard is the Blackguard's unpaid intern who is supposed to be helping out but never seems to get anything done. At least the Blackguard has a successful 3.5 resume, something that, while not as good as the Paladin's PF work, is at least not as utterly nonexistent as a blaggard.

On a rather unrelated naming note, does anybody find it weird that there is both a Skald archetype, hybrid class, and language, as well as both a Swashbuckler archetype and hybrid class? It's not like there's an archetype named "Paladin".

Don't forget the Precise Strike Class Feature, the other Precise Strike Class feature, and the Precise Strike teamwork feat. Paizo? Synonyms are your friends.

It's a lot more of a problem than "bonus feat" and "AC bonus", because at least the naming conventions make sense.

Turns out there's a Crippling Critical prestige class feature and a Crippling Critical feat.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Antipasto

That's a whole other anti - the one that means "before". Like "antique" or "anterior".

Antipasto comes before the pasta!


UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Diffan wrote:
I too hate the word Antipaladin, seems dumb. I just call them ALL paladins and remove the alignment aspect altogether. Paladin is synonymous with a warrior of faith or a cause and not specifically just a righteous one.
Antipaladins are aptly named. Why? Because they create an annihilation reaction when they come into contact with a Paladin.

Well, I had been meaning to ask about that. So this means that a Dragon should not eat both a Paladin and an Antipaladin, because they will annihilate in the Dragon's stomach.

*poof*


Diffan wrote:
UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Diffan wrote:
I too hate the word Antipaladin, seems dumb. I just call them ALL paladins and remove the alignment aspect altogether. Paladin is synonymous with a warrior of faith or a cause and not specifically just a righteous one.
Antipaladins are aptly named. Why? Because they create an annihilation reaction when they come into contact with a Paladin.

Well, I had been meaning to ask about that. So this means that a Dragon should not eat both a Paladin and an Antipaladin, because they will annihilate in the Dragon's stomach.

*poof*

Shouldn't it be an explosion of biblical proportions? ;)

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I always preferred Holy Warrior from the Book of the Righteousness from Green Ronin. It allowed even evil gods to have them. As well until 3.5. Came along fixed the Paladin class while Making it more interesting IMO.


^I haven't read that book, but it sounds like what I have been pushing for: A Holy Warrior prestige class (actually set of alternate prestige classes) whose prerequisites (including alignment) and abilities depend upon the corresponding religion or philosophy, with Hellknights being an example of a subtype that would be not necessarily tied to a diety.

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i recommend either the PDF or print version. I think it's a better version of Inner Sea Gods. While that book has better production values. It does a better job of giving DMs a resource to include religion in a game. It has a fully fleshed religion as well.


Isn't the Sentinel something similar?

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Yeah, I have the print version of the Book of the Righteous myself, and I've often considered combining it with Inner Sea Gods. Actually, from the description I've seen of the Rite Publishing pdfs "The Secrets of the Divine", they seem to have Pathfinder conversions of the Great Church and some of the Deities from BotR, only without the original names.

But that's digressing from the topic...


Æthernaut wrote:


I always thought the class rogue was silly because players would introduce themselves as "Hi I'm ____. I'm a rogue." What rogue in his right mind does that?

I don't know about rogues, but a player in one of my games did just that, heh: "I'm ____ and I'm a thief". Frankly if you think about it that might not just be such a bad idea - nobody treats you seriously as a threat after something like that and you can do your thing in peace as long as you keep your harmless fool cover.

Likewise an antipaladin might just do something like that to conceal his atrocities under a mask of failure and showing off false deeds - "I am Worgnaaar..pronouced with aaargh! I am evil! Fear me! You're fearing me now right?" meanwhile you murder a whole homestead and right after cleaning your blade to a shine start gloating about it..noone's going to believe you anyway so you're straight off the suspect list.

I admit though the name antipaladin sounds like all they do is oppose paladins, but truthfully - I aleays end up hating the iconics more.they always look like morons that give more show than thought.


StDrake wrote:
Æthernaut wrote:


I always thought the class rogue was silly because players would introduce themselves as "Hi I'm ____. I'm a rogue." What rogue in his right mind does that?
I don't know about rogues, but a player in one of my games did just that, heh: "I'm ____ and I'm a thief". {. . .}

That reminds me of one of the Babylon 5 TV movies (A Call to Arms, which also served as the pilot for Crusade) did pretty much that.

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lonewolf23k wrote:

Yeah, I have the print version of the Book of the Righteous myself, and I've often considered combining it with Inner Sea Gods. Actually, from the description I've seen of the Rite Publishing pdfs "The Secrets of the Divine", they seem to have Pathfinder conversions of the Great Church and some of the Deities from BotR, only without the original names.

But that's digressing from the topic...

thx downloaded the pdfs tonight


Blackguards are a different thing, black knights/dark knights are not inherently evil, fallen paladins are an atonement away from being paladins again, etc. Or in short, yes. Besides, I think of it more in terms of Christ v Antichrist. Paladins (and antipaladins) are meant to embody their faiths, and in that way it seems fairly apt.

In a more literal sense, besides, antipaladins (at least in Pathfinder) are strictly designed to be the polar opposite of paladins. It makes sense.

In short, yes.


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Tammy doesn't like labels.


Though in all fairness, my antipaladin always introduces himself as a paladin. Although to elucidate a bit, he also wears bright, shining white/gold armor, flashes smiles a lot, and is thoroughly adept at convincing people that the mayor he just slaughtered "had an evil aura about him- no doubt plotting nefarious deeds. And look! The town treasury is laid bare! He was no doubt hiring foul fiends to some dark purpose. Good thing I was here."

Grand Lodge

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The Anti-Paladin is truly one of the classes and names that came from player demand. As far back as first edition, Gary Gygax was writing letters criticising the constant demand for an "Anti-Paladin" class. And while he was in charge, there was never an official class of that designation.

But that never stopped the fans from asking for one.


To be honest, I would have named it Blackguard and basically fuse both the PrC and the current Antipaladin class into one.

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Judecca Bishop wrote:
Though in all fairness, my antipaladin always introduces himself as a paladin. Although to elucidate a bit, he also wears bright, shining white/gold armor, flashes smiles a lot, and is thoroughly adept at convincing people that the mayor he just slaughtered "had an evil aura about him- no doubt plotting nefarious deeds. And look! The town treasury is laid bare! He was no doubt hiring foul fiends to some dark purpose. Good thing I was here."

Lol

If anything says spitting in the face of everything that is a paladin it's the above. Bad enough acting like one. But dressing up as one as well. Pure comedy gold IMO.

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