Myrrh, Frankincense, and Steel: Kurald Galain's Guide to the Magus


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A dip into bloodrager or using the Raging Blood feat, let's you grab Blooded Arcane Strike. This means you dont need a swift action to use Spell Cartridge.

It might also make it possible to really use Riving Strike with Spell Combat & Spellstrike.


baggageboy wrote:

Sure, but I'm not trying to say that Phantom Blade is better than bladebound, just that if VMC multiclassing is allowed phantom blade is improved greatly. Being able to access both a second pool and magus arcana greatly improve a Phantom Blade. Spellstrike at level 11 is redundant, but it does mean that you can now Spellstrike with a weapon other than your phantom weapon.

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Good catch. I forgot about the redundant Spellstrike, and VMC makes no provision for non-stacking redundant abilities. (Of course, VMC needs a fix, but that isn't going to happen since 2nd Edition is replacing all that . . . unless somebody else decides to make 1.5th Edition.)

baggageboy wrote:

Advantages of a Phantom Blade:

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  • Conversely can be charisma based of combined with the fractured mind archetype
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  • At first glance, it looks like the archetype rules would allow these archetypes to combine, but I'm not sure if it really works, because some Fractured Mind features depend upon Emotional Focus, which refers to Phantom, which Phantom Blade replaces, so implicitly these archetypes are incompatible, even though they are not explicitly stated to modify or replace any top level class feature in common with each other.

    baggageboy wrote:

    Disadvantages of a Phantom Blade:

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  • Spell combat is hard to utilize before level 4 when you get enteric focus.
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  • Judicious use of beans, prune juice, and spices should provide a serviceable workaround.

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    Temperans wrote:
    A dip into bloodrager or using the Raging Blood feat, let's you grab Blooded Arcane Strike. This means you dont need a swift action to use Spell Cartridge.

    Yeah, that works. So you spend one level, and then the feats Mad Magic + Arcane Strike + Blooded Arcane Strike + EWP Firearm + Spell Cartridge + Riving Strike... that's a pretty steep cost though.

    baggageboy wrote:
    The Phantom Blade is slightly weaker than a bladebound magus. It trades away striking ability for tankyness. It is one of the few ways to make a spontaneous "magus" and allows wisdom or charisma based casting. The progression is more linear, less exponential. You don't have to worry as much about low AC at low levels of strength based, but this is wasted if going dex based.

    Thank you for writing the summary. I'd like to add the drawback that the Spir pays twice as many pool points to enchant his weapon. Requiring a swift action to concentrate is still an issue, the Magus has a lot of competition for his swift actions. And since you credit the Spir's will saves, you should likewise note the Magus has "very good" knowledge skills. By my count, a mid-level Magus is ahead by four feat/arcana slots (which could e.g. give him higher will save, perception, medium armor, and ghost touch).

    It strikes me that adding the Fractured Mind archetype simply means you get no benefit from Emotional Power (since you don't actually have an emotional focus); you just lose the four SLAs. But they're very situational and mostly for flavor anyway, so that's not a big deal. This is nice since the other way of playing a charisma Magus (i.e. Eldritch Scion) does not stack with Bladebound.

    Overall this suggests that a green rating is a fair assessment for the Spir Phantom Blade.


    I agree, I think a green rateing is appropriate, I just wanted to point out that VMC magus does a great deal to shore up the phantom blades weaknesses.


    Anyone take a look at Infused Spell Cartridges yet? It’s a little redundant compared to spellstrike, but you’re still firing a force bullet and a spell at the same time. That ought to do something positive for your action economy.

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    Reduxist wrote:
    Anyone take a look at Infused Spell Cartridges yet? It’s a little redundant compared to spellstrike, but you’re still firing a force bullet and a spell at the same time. That ought to do something positive for your action economy.

    Well it doesn't work with spell combat (since it's a standard action) so I don't see this as very useful for a Magus. And yes, it's pretty redundant to spellstrike.


    ^It does give you a way to get effectively a Ranged Spellstrike if you didn't take a Magus archetype that already gives you one. If you mainly want to be a melee Magus and don't want to take the Myrmidarch archetype, and want an occasional ranged Spellstrike, and have a feat to spare, and somehow already have proficiency with a firearm (Human Martial Tradition alternate racial trait, maybe? . . . or obviously a 1 level Gunslinger dip) and have an enchanted one(*), this might be for you.

    (*)Needed to make this better than just firing off the ranged spell in the normal way; however, if you're going to use a firearm at all for any other reason, eventually you're going to want to get an enchanted firearm anyway.

    Too bad they made it so specific to firearms and didn't let it work with ranged weapons more generally.

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    Well if you're a melee Magus who wants to occasionally make a ranged attack, I don't think you're going to invest three feats in that. Either a rod of Reach Spell or simply casting a ranged spell is going to be more effective.


    Hello Kurald, I very much enjoy and appreciate your work!

    Is there a change log that shows what you change each month?


    Kurald Galain wrote:

    Well if you're a melee Magus who wants to occasionally make a ranged attack, I don't think you're going to invest three feats in that. Either a rod of Reach Spell or simply casting a ranged spell is going to be more effective.

    Well, you wouldn't want to invest 3 feats just for that, but if you had the prerequisites for some other purpose, it might be worthwhile. Admittedly, the prerequisite of Arcane Strike (which is mostly a trap) slipped my mind in my last post.

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    noral wrote:

    Hello Kurald, I very much enjoy and appreciate your work!

    Is there a change log that shows what you change each month?

    Thank you. And no, I do not keep a change log; although new additions are generally mentioned in this thread. Anything in particular you're looking for?


    Thanks, I was just wondering if there is a changelog. ;-)
    do you have a version from last October? Then I could do a ‘track changes’ analysis to see what great ideas you added since the last time I checked out the guide in detail.

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    Don't know if it has been seen already, but Wyrwoods have a FCB for Magus now.

    Magus (Heroes of Golarion pg. 6): Add 2 rounds to the duration of the magus’ arcane pool enhancements.

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    Dragonborn3 wrote:
    Magus (Heroes of Golarion pg. 6): Add 2 rounds to the duration of the magus’ arcane pool enhancements.

    Thanks, I missed that (wow, that race is weird). But it's not very good: without this ability, pool enchant already reliably lasts through one combat, and with this ability it still doesn't reliably last through two combats.

    noral wrote:
    do you have a version from last October?

    No, I don't.


    This fcb does give up to 6 minutes of Arcane Pool as opposed to 2 minutes for other races. Perfect for setting up ambushes and for Armor versions of Arcane Pool.


    Temperans wrote:
    This fcb does give up to 6 minutes of Arcane Pool as opposed to 2 minutes for other races. Perfect for setting up ambushes and for Armor versions of Arcane Pool.

    I count it as 5 minutes.

    Also the ENDURING BLADE arcana already kinda does this but better (I guess if you combine them you end up with 24 minutes duration). I like that arcana more than Kurald does, but this FCB doesn't really keep up.

    For me it comes down to: "how often will this actually be useful?" - Even at level 10 with a 3 minute duration the answer seems like: "not very often."


    Is it just me or is it deeply strange to have a FCB which adds a duration in rounds to something which has traditionally been measured in minutes? Like I know how to convert between the two, but it's still odd.

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    Pretty odd, not as odd as the kinitecists talents that let you accept burnt to use a racial feature again, but still odd.

    I guess +1/5th of a minute wasn't working for them haha


    MrCharisma wrote:
    Temperans wrote:
    This fcb does give up to 6 minutes of Arcane Pool as opposed to 2 minutes for other races. Perfect for setting up ambushes and for Armor versions of Arcane Pool.

    I count it as 5 minutes.

    Also the ENDURING BLADE arcana already kinda does this but better (I guess if you combine them you end up with 24 minutes duration). I like that arcana more than Kurald does, but this FCB doesn't really keep up.

    For me it comes down to: "how often will this actually be useful?" - Even at level 10 with a 3 minute duration the answer seems like: "not very often."

    I also counted the Bladed Magic trait that increases the base time from 1 to 2 minutes. So 2 minutes + 20*2rds (4 minutes) = 6 minutes; with the arcana it would be 24 minutes still.

    As to how useful it really depends on the campaign, if you are constantly fighting (say a horde of mooks) then it becomes great.


    Temperans wrote:
    <Other Stuff (snipped for space)> As to how useful it really depends on the campaign, if you are constantly fighting (say a horde of mooks) then it becomes great.

    Yeah there are circumstances where it could be good, but you can re-cast your weapon enhancement as a swift action, so it's not that hard to get by without this trait/arcana/fcb anyway. If you're in a campaign where you're having long fights consistently then it's 100% worth it, but if it only comes up once every couple of levels you're probably better off with more hp or more skill points (or a different trait/arcana).

    I like Enduring Blade a little more than Kurald does, but the trait/fcb don't add enough to reliably get through 2 fights without re-buffing.

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    Temperans wrote:
    As to how useful it really depends on the campaign, if you are constantly fighting (say a horde of mooks) then it becomes great.

    Well of course it depends on the campaign, but I've never even heard of a campaign (or adventure path) where it you fight hordes of mooks for more than 10 rounds in a row AND use your swift action on other things during all that time.

    Even if I did have such long combats, personally I'd rather have the +20 hit points, considering Wyrwood doesn't have a con bonus.

    Shadow Lodge

    There is an alternate racial trait for that now too, actually.


    Once 2nd edition is out, is there any chance of you doing a guide on how best to simulate a magus using the new rules?

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    Saint Bernard wrote:
    Once 2nd edition is out, is there any chance of you doing a guide on how best to simulate a magus using the new rules?

    That is unlikely, as currently none of the groups I play in have expressed an interest in switching.


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    Pity, I have a lot of respect for you opinions on the Magus. Your guide is the best for advise on the Magus. Thanks for all of your hard work.


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    I wouldn't be surprised if Paizo published rules for Magi in second edition -- eventually.


    From what I remember every spell-casting class can do a little of what the Magus does in 2E. The action economy is different enough that the mechanics of the Magus don't really translate, but anyone can cast and attack.

    It's been a while since I looked at 2E though, so I could be mis-remembering.

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    Paizo has hinted that a Magus will be printed in 2020. In the meantime, any one-action spells (such as Shield) can be combined with two attacks per round, in P2's action economy.


    And the new Magus Capstone? Chronicle of Legends is out and there is a capstone for the magus: Legendary Blade. Someone know what it does?


    There are a few of the classless new capstones that could benefit a Magus as well. Is there any sort of ToS against posting the specific abilities?


    Also the book added some PrC feats. Eldtrich Knight might become more viable.

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    Aranel2000 wrote:
    And the new Magus Capstone? Chronicle of Legends is out and there is a capstone for the magus: Legendary Blade. Someone know what it does?

    The new capstone gives you two more pluses when enchanting your weapon; which is decent but nothing special. A better option (open to all classes) is to boost your strength or dex by eight points. And really, the most fitting capstone for a Magus is one that changes your weapon into an artifact with customized properties.

    Temperans wrote:
    Also the book added some PrC feats. Eldtrich Knight might become more viable.

    There are two feats that give the EK a lesser spellstrike ability; but this doesn't help the Magus any.


    The familiar boosting is also an option for capstones, but it takes a wizard/sorcerer/arcanist to utilize the full potential (Wish as SLA) of that.


    It's sort of odd that the new magus capstone is "you can use arcane pool to increase your weapon's enhancement bonus up to +7" whereas the new fighter capstone is "your weapon training goes up by 2", considering the latter is always on and is involved in a bunch of things via advanced weapon training.

    I guess the fighter needs it more. I feel like the original capstone is better than the new one for the magus generally.


    For the capstone, it does give a bit more versatility since you can get more mods. But yeah it's quite meh.

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    The first Eldritch Knight feat could be useful for a Myrmidarch or Thrown weapon magus. The second one is weird and maybe circumstantial.

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    Interestingly, archetypes that trade out the True Magus ability may not pick an alternative capstone. That means kensai, myrmidarch, and puppetmaster. Now kensai's capstone is actually pretty good, but it's sad for the other two.

    PossibleCabbage wrote:
    It's sort of odd that the new magus capstone is "you can use arcane pool to increase your weapon's enhancement bonus up to +7" whereas the new fighter capstone is

    Oh, it's pretty obvious that some capstones are much better than others. Not that balance particularly applies at level 20 anyway :)

    deuxhero wrote:
    The familiar boosting is also an option for capstones, but it takes a wizard/sorcerer/arcanist to utilize the full potential (Wish as SLA) of that.

    Case in point. Yeah, that probably wasn't intentional.

    Temperans wrote:
    The first Eldritch Knight feat could be useful for a Myrmidarch or Thrown weapon magus.

    How do you envision that? Why would you take a prestige class and a feat to gain spellstrike, on a class that already has spellstrike?


    Because Eldricth Archer and Myrmidarch dont have melee spellstrike? Which means it enables switch hitter builds to an extent. It also might help archetypes that trade away spellstrike (sigilus, puppetmaster and spellblade).

    I'm not saying it needs to get a better review, but a brief mention might be nice for those builds.


    Doesn't the Myrmidarch keep melee spellstrike as well though?


    So does the eldritch archer technically, but puppet master does indeed lose spellstrike, and it would be nice to pick up, though there aren't that many illusion or enchantment spells to cast with spell combat and the deliver via spellstrike per the usual magus mode.


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    I always read Eldritch Archer as losing the ability to melee spellstrike.

    But yes, I was wrong about Myrmidarch, it replaces spell recall not spellstrike. Card Caster on the other had does fit better for what I mean to a lesser degree: It depends on whether thrown ranged weapon means ranged attack only.

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    I am sorry, about misreading Myrmidarch.


    As far as I know, Myrmidarch is the only Magus archetype that has both melee and ranged Spellstrike, and no Magus archetype has both melee and ranged Spell Combat. (Given that Myrmidarch has only the normal melee Spell Combat, it would be better if it didn't have Ranged Spellstrike and instead kept Spell Recall -- then it would be approaching a solid archetype, although still hurting from not getting anything in exchange for diminished spellcasting.)

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    Temperans wrote:
    I always read Eldritch Archer as losing the ability to melee spellstrike.

    I concur; but an archer probably doesn't want to spend a prestige class and a feat to get back melee spellstrike. The puppetmaster, maybe.

    UnArcaneElection wrote:
    (Given that Myrmidarch has only the normal melee Spell Combat, it would be better if it didn't have Ranged Spellstrike and instead kept Spell Recall -- then it would be approaching a solid archetype, although still hurting from not getting anything in exchange for diminished spellcasting.)

    I'm afraid myrm got another slap in the face from being unable to take alternative capstones...


    Have you seen this item for the magus?

    Armband of the Golden Serpent

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    zook1shoe wrote:
    Have you seen this item for the magus?

    Yes, you brought that to my attention two years ago :) My response still stands, i.e. by the time you can afford that, your concentration check should be high enough that you can cast defensively with no problem.


    oh, right. sorry about that.

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