Eidolon+Power Attack+Primary Attack


Rules Questions


Quick question:

If an eidolon has more than one attack that is considered a primary attack, such as bite and claws, would all of them get the +50% from Power Attack or do you need to choose one of them to the primary to gain such benefits and the others become secondaries? If they do become secondary attacks, do they also suffer the penalties being such entails?


Monkeygod wrote:

Quick question:

If an eidolon has more than one attack that is considered a primary attack, such as bite and claws, would all of them get the +50% from Power Attack or do you need to choose one of them to the primary to gain such benefits and the others become secondaries? If they do become secondary attacks, do they also suffer the penalties being such entails?

In order to get the "Two-handed weapon bonus" (1½ Strength and Power Attack bonus), a natural attack needs to be the only natural attack you have. Not the only one you're going to use this round, but the only one you have, at all. Can't be combined with weapon attacks either.

Sczarni

You only gain the +50% if you have a single natural attack.

The moment you acquire more than one, you lose that +50%.

There are a couple exceptions.

You may be confusing primary and secondary attacks with how they functioned in D&D. In Pathfinder you may have multiple primary attacks. Bite and Claw are both primary, for example, whereas Hoof and Tail are secondary.

In addition, if you have a single natural attack that would normally be secondary, it gets upgraded to primary.

Edit: darn, ninja'd by 2 minutes!


Note that the limit of a single natural attack for the 50% bonus does not necessarily cripple you.

At level 9, animal companions and eidolons get the multiattack ability. This has a clause when you only have 1-2 natural attacks- you get another attack with the same weapon at BAB-5.

This still counts for the 150% str/power attack clause (as indicated by NPCs with animal companions like wolves, or dire bats- that is how the devs handles it).

So this is basically like the first and second itertives of a 2 handed weapon full attack (the better hits, admittedly). Throw on a haste on top of that, and you are golden. Also, you can always get even more hits with AoOs, as long as you have the reach to pull off a reach build (the reach evo might help with that...)

...or you could just get the evo that gives you 150% on your bite. That is an option, and your power attack still gets the multiplier too. But that is an eidolon specific thing, rather than natural attacks in general (outside of a few creatures like dragons)

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