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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Having read nothing else in this thread, how long did it take you to come up with a pun-name about your rear-end?

It was never intended to be so, lol. :Þ The name is Polish.

When it is actually pronounced the Polish way, it doesn't even sound like the word you're thinking of. ś = actually a soft sh sound.

Ah, my apologies! I didn't realize you were Polish. (Though I should have guessed, given the rather high Pole-count on these forums!)

EDIT: still haven't read this thread, yet... sorry! The computer has been pretty awful today.

Haha it's fine :Þ

Yeah I'm pleasantly surprised by how many polish people are on this forum o:

Heavily Catholic nation...there's a reason you see a lot of German, Irish, and Polish white people. It is kinda a requirement to make more.

Frankly, I don't know why we don't see more South Americans.


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Well yes there's that but there's also a lot of people in Poland on the boards, Drejk and Gorbacz the main ones, but there's more, many more!


Fun fact: There's a large amount of Brazilian Norse Heathens. c:

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Have you ever read the Witcher books?


lucky7 wrote:
Have you ever read the Witcher books?

Nope.


I want to learn Khoomei, Tuvan throat singing.

It's something that you have to learn through trial and error, however, and until you figure it out you will just sound like a dying horse.


I've picked up the bad habit of borderline yelling at people when I'm frustrated and I hate it so much. I don't go so far as to put people down and overly criticize but it's still bad.

It's an awful habit in my opinion and it's not a habit I want to have. Maybe I'm a horrible person because I lack a consistent and reliable executive function, but I will at least be a better person than someone who yells at others and puts them down, and says things that make them feel awful about themselves.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

I've picked up the bad habit of borderline yelling at people when I'm frustrated and I hate it so much. I don't go so far as to put people down and overly criticize but it's still bad.

It's an awful habit in my opinion and it's not a habit I want to have. Maybe I'm a horrible person because I lack a consistent and reliable executive function, but I will at least be a better person than someone who yells at others and puts them down, and says things that make them feel awful about themselves.

As somebody who occasionally goes against the local grain by taking controversial stands, I will do so here. While I agree that as a general rule of thumb yelling at people is usually a poor way to do things and generates more heat than light, there is a small percentage of the time when it may be the most effective/only way to get things done.

As I don't really know you and your situation I will take it as a given that you're probably doing the right thing. But if, as an example, you need to get somebody's attention before they walk over the spot where the manhole cover used to be (they're probably texting) then yelling strikes me as excellent idea. Thus my advice is not to let what may be a worthwhile intention on your part not to yell so much overly inhibit you if you run into a situation where yelling is actually needed. You claim to be a friend of Thor. Thus you must acknowledge that there are times when lightning is called for. :-)


Ceaser Slaad wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

I've picked up the bad habit of borderline yelling at people when I'm frustrated and I hate it so much. I don't go so far as to put people down and overly criticize but it's still bad.

It's an awful habit in my opinion and it's not a habit I want to have. Maybe I'm a horrible person because I lack a consistent and reliable executive function, but I will at least be a better person than someone who yells at others and puts them down, and says things that make them feel awful about themselves.

As somebody who occasionally goes against the local grain by taking controversial stands, I will do so here. While I agree that as a general rule of thumb yelling at people is usually a poor way to do things and generates more heat than light, there is a small percentage of the time when it may be the most effective/only way to get things done.

As I don't really know you and your situation I will take it as a given that you're probably doing the right thing. But if, as an example, you need to get somebody's attention before they walk over the spot where the manhole cover used to be (they're probably texting) then yelling strikes me as excellent idea. Thus my advice is not to let what may be a worthwhile intention on your part not to yell so much overly inhibit you if you run into a situation where yelling is actually needed. You claim to be a friend of Thor. Thus you must acknowledge that there are times when lightning is called for. :-)

Yeah, you have a good point

I don't mean situations like when someone can't hear you and you need to get their attention or else. I specifically mean situations in which you're intimidating people and putting them down, is what I want to avoid, for the reasons you mention c:

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How exactly does one worship Thor? Do y'all have any equivalents to a Jehovah's Witness?


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lucky7 wrote:
How exactly does one worship Thor? Do y'all have any equivalents to a Jehovah's Witness?

One wonders if they would get to knock on people's doors with their warhammers. :-)


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Hulk knock on doors old fashioned way, with smile...and velocity!!!


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How well-acquainted are you with non-Norse mythology? Celtic, Sumerian, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, etc.


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How exactly does one worship Thor? Do y'all have any equivalents to a Jehovah's Witness?

We do not have proselytizers, though there are heathens among us who seem to think that heathenry works like christianity, because of the baggage they brought with them into the religion. I don't think they know what they're doing and that they're annoying.

I like to proselytize Thor to non-heathen conservatives to annoy them.

Heathenry is a religion based on a deceased oral tradition and lacks scripture (so the scholarship for heathenry is based in the study of history and archaeology of the migration period and viking age more than anything else). Thus, heathenry is a religion without laws or an institution. There is no rite of baptism for entering heathenry. All you have to do be a heathen is to think of it as *your* religion, to think of the gods as *your* gods, to think of the idea of wyrd as having relevance to your life, etc.

And regardless of what some reactionaries, national socialists, white supremacists, self-styled "folkish", "traditionalists", etc would say, heathenry is a religion for everyone. You do not need to have Scandinavian ancestry to be a Norse heathen. You do not have to be white. You do not have to have light skin. You do not have to have European ancestry. You do not have to be raised in a Germanic culture. Thor frowns on those who appropriate his hammer and infect heathenry with their racialism, for they are the enemy of mankind, and they shall be smitten and never know hospitality in the afterlife, for they shall be sent straight to Náströnd.

And of course, there are many ways to worship Thor. Some people have elaborate altars where they place objects devoted to Thor, or they may have formal rituals in which they share food and drink with the god, etc and so forth.

I have no money and am not in one place long enough to keep an actual altar so my venue of devotion is an easily portable wooden plaque that looks like this (side note our religious artwork is really adorable and I love it).

My devotion primarily takes the shape of thinking of Thor daily, constantly, and trying to do things that he would approve of and make him proud. I have actually devoted the rest of my life to combatting white supremacy in however way I can in the name of Thor. Heathenry and Antifa movement are two things that naturally go together.


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How well-acquainted are you with non-Norse mythology? Celtic, Sumerian, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Not very much! I know a little more about Slavic mythology, but reliable sources on that are so scant (since we don't even have anything like a poetic Edda) that I know very little.

I also consider myself a slavic heathen, but due to lack of knowledge I haven't really been able to get my faith off the ground.

I happen to know biblical tidbits, though that is because of my Catholic upbringing and my passing interest in the foundational years of Christianity more than anything else and I definitely don't consider myself a specialist on the subject.


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True story - a friend of mine and member of my last gaming group is legitimately and legally (middle) named Thor (but we call him by his middle name cause his first is even more unusual and significantly less cool)...and he is an adamant Catholic!


Doesn't it seem weird to use the word "heathen" to self-describe your religion, when it's natural and original definition assumes a supremacy of Christianity, as an exclusionary definition? Wouldn't "Norse Pantheonist" be more appropriate?

It's like when Wiccans call themselves witches. The original definition of witch is widely divergent from their use, and Wiccan is a perfectly acceptable adjective or noun to describe a follower of that religion, so the only logical explanation for the alternative is shock value.

Don't worry, I'm equal opportunity and will rag on my own people. "Born Again" or "Evangelical" Christians are just repeating themselves for emphasis when you consider the definition of Evangelical is "of or pertaining to Christianity" and that almost all theology regarding Christianity requires the born-again conceptualization, and Catholics are anything but the literal "universal" definition of the word...


thegreenteagamer wrote:
True story - a friend of mine and member of my last gaming group is legitimately and legally (middle) named Thor (but we call him by his middle name cause his first is even more unusual and significantly less cool)...and he is an adamant Catholic!

Yep! The name occurrs in some Germanic language naming traditions.

It's not unusual to encounter people named Thor in Iceland for example.


thegreenteagamer wrote:
Doesn't it seem weird to use the word "heathen" to self-describe your religion, when it's natural and original definition assumes a supremacy of Christianity, as an exclusionary definition? Wouldn't "Norse Pantheonist" be more appropriate?

A lot of people ask me if it seems odd to use the word 'heathen', and my answer is, not really.

Heathen is an accurate word to use in a context dominated by Christianity, in which we live. We're not a very welcome religion in a Christianized context, that's just simple fact. Lots of other folks in the community use 'heathen' as a self-descriptor so it already has social precedent.

'heathen' doesn't imply 'inferior' to me, it just implies unwelcome, which is a true fact that I accept proudly.

It also, etymologically, is somewhat of a calque of 'pagan', both literally meaning "of the people of the countryside", which accurately implies the nature of my religion, which is tied to land, and is as old as the land itself.

I also don't really use pagan because in the modern day context it is a very vague, broad umbrella term that doesn't mean much of anything. In a historical context for most people it readily implies Roman and Greek polytheisms, which are fundamentally different concept.

"Pantheonist" is a word I've never heard before. I don't even really like to use the word 'pantheon' to describe Norse gods since it is a Roman concept. Polytheist is the word you're looking for, and while that word is technically correct and some folks use it, I personally tend to not use it since it implies (to me) kinship with Roman and Greek polytheisms, and I set myself and my heathenry apart from them.

So yeah that's my 2cp.

EDIT: On a side note, I also already readily call myself heretic, barbarian, savage, and so forth. Heathen as a pejorative is just yet another term on the list. I guess it's my way of taking pride in the parts of me that are considered inferior, ugly, and so forth. Wear it like armor, as Tyrion says.

Also my edits keep being eaten by server timeout. It's very annoying.


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Now hey there you don't wanna make fun of da heathens don'tcha know. Before ya know it, it's off to tha woodchipper for ya, you bet'cha ya!


Dave, Minnesotan Heathen wrote:
Now hey there you don't wanna make fun of da heathens don'tcha know. Before ya know it, it's off to tha worshipper for ya, you bet'cha ya!

Oh no, not the worshipper! I don't even know what that reference means!


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Sorry!

He meant to say woodchipper and I changed it, in my defense tho you should see the s%@& he makes me type, real grade A crap!


I have started referencing d20 game mechanics Order of the Stick-style and I failed my will save to stop.


Captain Yesterday's Phone wrote:

Sorry!

He meant to say woodchipper and I changed it, in my defense tho you should see the s+@& he makes me type, real grade A crap!

ah, now I understand!

Woodchippers, are after all, what you use when you run out of axes.


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Man do I love a good axe!

Or a nice heavy hammer, or a nice hefty pick axe :-)

Dwarves know how to roll, except the armor, not a fan of heavy armor :-)


Demolition Rampage Cap'n Yesterday wrote:

Man do I love a good axe!

Or a nice heavy hammer, or a nice hefty pick axe :-)

Dwarves know how to roll, except the armor, not a fan of heavy armor :-)

yeah, when it comes to armor I'm more of a fan of mail or lamellar


But plate LOOKS really cool. You can get it all intricately designed, and engraved, and ceremonial noble alloy plating...


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I myself am a fan of commemorative plates, especially if they have eagles or Brett Favre on them :-)


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I myself am a fan of commemorative plates, especially if they have eagles or Brett Favre on them :-)

Are we talking 'Hotel California' Eagles, 'Boy Scout' Eagles, or the Philadelphia Eagles?

And Brett Favre still has commemorative plates being made? I thought that stopped after the third retirement after the Packers...


thegreenteagamer wrote:
But plate LOOKS really cool. You can get it all intricately designed, and engraved, and ceremonial noble alloy plating...

what is this plate, of which you speak of? :Þ Are you referring to the platelets in steel lamellar?

(I'm just pulling your leg of course. vikings didn't wear plate)


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captain yesterday wrote:
I myself am a fan of commemorative plates, especially if they have eagles or Brett Favre on them :-)

Are we talking 'Hotel California' Eagles, 'Boy Scout' Eagles, or the Philadelphia Eagles?

And Brett Favre still has commemorative plates being made? I thought that stopped after the third retirement after the Packers...

Bald Eagle of course, soaring majestically over the plate and into our hearts :-)

Brett Favre is timeless :-)


please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick, please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick...

(don't spoil this for me by the way)


The problem with plate from a Viking perspective is that if you fall in the drink you can't swim in it and you can't get out of it fast. Chain mail for providing good protection coupled with the ability to get out of it fast if you have to. There's also a fighting chance that if it's light enough and you're a strong enough swimmer you might be able to swim short distances in it.


Ceaser Slaad wrote:
The problem with plate from a Viking perspective is that if you fall in the drink you can't swim in it and you can't get out of it fast. Chain mail for providing good protection coupled with the ability to get out of it fast if you have to. There's also a fighting chance that if it's light enough and you're a strong enough swimmer you might be able to swim short distances in it.

Is getting out of the gambeson that should definitely always be underneath your mail an integral part of 'getting out of mail fast'?

I also figured it was just because plate armor wasn't really a thing (outside of the roman empire, apparently) in europe until like, the 14th century.


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I think that in an emergency getting out of the chain mail is more important than getting out of the gambeson. But it would be more likely to get out of them both at the same time. Effectively both the chain mail and the gambeson are large tunics. Assuming that the person isn't wearing serious leg armor all they have to do is ditch the weapon belt/harness and shrug the chain mail and the gambeson off at the same time. Potentially made easier in water if the person "dives" while they're doing it so the weight of the items helps pull them off.

It was my understanding that Roman armor would have been some sort of lamellar breastplate with greaves, helmet and vanbraces. True plate armor was almost exclusively used by medieval heavy cavalry. Didn't matter how heavy it was because the horse was carrying the weight.


Ceaser Slaad wrote:

I think that in an emergency getting out of the chain mail is more important than getting out of the gambeson. But it would be more likely to get out of them both at the same time. Effectively both the chain mail and the gambeson are large tunics. Assuming that the person isn't wearing serious leg armor all they have to do is ditch the weapon belt/harness and shrug the chain mail and the gambeson off at the same time. Potentially made easier in water if the person "dives" while they're doing it so the weight of the items helps pull them off.

It was my understanding that Roman armor would have been some sort of lamellar breastplate with greaves, helmet and vanbraces. True plate armor was almost exclusively used by medieval heavy cavalry. Didn't matter how heavy it was because the horse was carrying the weight.

Ah, I see, that all makes a lot of sense.

To be honest the reason for the question was a good chunk because constantly reminding people to always wear a gambeson under their mail is a running gag of mine.


Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick, please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick...

(don't spoil this for me by the way)

NOT SPOILING

The answer to that question is VERY EARLY in the series. You can probably get to it in under an hour of reading.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:


(I'm just pulling your leg of course. vikings didn't wear plate)

Well, yeah. It would be problematic to fall off the boat wearing a set of plate...No matter what Pathfinder says, five ranks in swim will NOT compensate for that. You're going DOWN.

(Actually, in PF, 1 rank, 12 strength, and the +3 class bonus negates the -5 penalty to swim from MW full plate...which is ridiculous. Since it's a DC 10 to swim in calm water, and taking 10 is something you can do when there's no pressure...This means a slightly-above-average strength man who is trained in the basics of swimming could tread water around the deep end of a pool with no waves, etc, without really trying that hard while wearing a set of full plate. I call BS.)


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Well, yeah. It would be problematic to fall off the boat wearing a set of plate...No matter what Pathfinder says, five ranks in swim will NOT compensate for that. You're going DOWN.

(Actually, in PF, 1 rank, 12 strength, and the +3 class bonus negates the -5 penalty to swim from MW full plate...which is ridiculous. Since it's a DC 10 to swim in calm water, and taking 10 is something you can do when there's no pressure...This means a slightly-above-average strength man who is trained in the basics of swimming could tread water around the deep end of a pool with no waves, etc, without really trying that hard while wearing a set of full plate. I call BS.)

I agree with you 100%. The problem is that if you make the rules realistic the characters tend to die rather easily and thus the game ends up not selling that well. As a general rule people don't seem to want too much reality in their fantasy role playing games. Given that Pathfinder survives by selling their games to people willing to shell out money for them then I see no easy solution to this problem. Unless you want to house rule. But then you may find you have a hard time attracting players.


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Ceaser Slaad wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:


Well, yeah. It would be problematic to fall off the boat wearing a set of plate...No matter what Pathfinder says, five ranks in swim will NOT compensate for that. You're going DOWN.

(Actually, in PF, 1 rank, 12 strength, and the +3 class bonus negates the -5 penalty to swim from MW full plate...which is ridiculous. Since it's a DC 10 to swim in calm water, and taking 10 is something you can do when there's no pressure...This means a slightly-above-average strength man who is trained in the basics of swimming could tread water around the deep end of a pool with no waves, etc, without really trying that hard while wearing a set of full plate. I call BS.)

I agree with you 100%. The problem is that if you make the rules realistic the characters tend to die rather easily and thus the game ends up not selling that well. As a general rule people don't seem to want too much reality in their fantasy role playing games. Given that Pathfinder survives by selling their games to people willing to shell out money for them then I see no easy solution to this problem. Unless you want to house rule. But then you may find you have a hard time attracting players.

I don't mind a lack of realism in my games. Giant lizards fly four times faster than eagles defying physics on so many levels and breathe fire!

I just don't think it's something a 1st level character with mediocre strength should be able to do. Make it something a mid-level barbarian can pull off, not a fresh-out-of-school rogue.


thegreenteagamer wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick, please let Loki be a chaotic neutral god in order of the stick...

(don't spoil this for me by the way)

NOT SPOILING

The answer to that question is VERY EARLY in the series. You can probably get to it in under an hour of reading.

Ah, I must have missed it. I'm at 647.


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What is Order of the Stick?


Yeah, I don't expect realism in games either. What I do expect is believability.

On the other hand, it would be fun (my definition of "fun" may have been shaped by Dwarf Fortress) to have a pathfinder campaign houseruled into brutal realism, assuming players agree to it.

I have always wanted to be that mean GM.


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What is Order of the Stick?

Great comic with a great story

Set in a world that operates on 3.5 mechanics. But I emphasize the story. It's really good.

(Honestly if I had known it had a great story I would have gotten into it years ago)


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Ala remarkably funny, and probably second to Penny Arcade for webcomic with the most traffic on the net. Genuinely suprised you never heard of it. The author, Rich Burlew, came in second place for the contest that the guy who invented Eberron won. It was in Dragon Magazine as well.


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I've never looked thru either Dungeon or Dragon magazine :-)


captain yesterday wrote:
I've never looked thru either Dungeon or Dragon magazine :-)

Neither have I!


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Yeah but I'm almost twenty years older than you, for you it's expected, even if you had us old farts would dismiss it because "you weren't there man!" For me it's a reason for people to throw dinner rolls at me, I get what I deserve :-)

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I feel young. I mean, I AM young, but still.

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