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All good. I get the feeling the party may have a chat with Ashe about subtlety is all. I think as a whole no one actually objects the Ashe's goals, merely his approach.
Yes. Some constructive interaction and talking would be appropriate.
Subtlety is NOT one of Ashe's major concerns. He is a Heavy Armor warrior and carries a big shield. He is not a dex-based finesses warrior like most of the rest of the party. He cannot be a finesse fighter with his build... and its not likely to change. He is a Tank and thinks and fights like a tank. He sort of feels there is a party-wide disdane for heavy armor wearing fighting men...which sort of colors he interactions with the group to some extent.In this instance {the execution} Ashe is being particularly obvious to draw most of the attention and ire to him to keep the party out of any reprisal that should be leveled upon him for his actions should his efforts fail. Not that he is grandstanding but he is keeping his actions from hurting the party at least to his mind.
But yes some party discussion on the matter would be productive.
While I understand and agree with many of Ashe's points, here's the one thing that I believe is being missed. Role Playing is a group game. It's not Well "I'll do this", and "You do that". Peoples first instincts are to keep the party together, and do stuff in co-ordination. We could no more let Ashe get carried away or killed, than he would us. If everyone played their character basing the character's actions on the alter-ego created, the game would quickly dissolve into inter-party conflict...which is close to surfacing here, and chaos...the exact opposite of what Ashe is all about.
To act this way forces the party's hands, because we don't leave anyone behind. Not to beat the point into the ground, but the statement of "I don't expect anyone else to help is close to grandstanding, and waiting for everyone else to stand back and applaud. Martyrdom really doesn't fit into role playing games until maybe the end scene of the entire adventure. It's OK to sacrifice your life to save the world...not to save a perceived innocent victim. Pick your battles, and pick your times to shine...not at every opportunity.
I've really enjoyed this game, and I don't think this is something we can't work through...but I do think that Ashe could tone down things a bit. I appreciate your investment and portrayal of the Paladin, just wonder if he could perhaps keep some of the party's motivations, and desires in mind before acting so rashly.
Yes, I agree 100%!
Here is the crux of the issue with Ashe as I see it...
He does not really see the party, save for a few, as being motivated to uphold the good! From his interactions with the party they seem to him to be mostly neutral, reluctant and at best indifferent heroes that view deeds of goodness as a secondary unintentional side-effect of their actions.
Shakhan - If there is killing involved... I'm interested!
Una - If there is profit involved... and foes I can deal with at range where I can't be identified and does not help any obviously unworthy dispicable nobles or annoying foolish holy folks I'm in!
Hytogg - If there is a chance for me to show my superior magical might and power and be regarded as the masterful wonder that is me. I'm in!
This is not meant as a slur or a insult this is what Ashe has witnessed of their motivation in RP! I'm sure this is an oversimplification of the situation but it is what Ashe percives...right or wrong.
...oh and the one he can agree with in spirit at least.
Varrel - If there is injustice that needs avenging with swift permanent judgement and innocent that need protecting from further abuses, I'm in!
So Ashe views himself as the only one that really has truth, righteousness and justice meted out with as merciful and understanding hand as possible in the defense of the innocent as his core motivation. As such he acts with or even without counting on the party assistance not because he is grand-standing but because he is willing to make that stand alone if need be.
Yes the party needs to understand this and some discussion in-character would be useful.
I'm confident all BUT Ashe would survive if it turned REAL bad.
Varrel would flee, hoping to return for a rescue, *Cue a single dramatic gear and the sorrowful italian singer from "Gladiator"The others....well if I recall everybody is neutral, so self preservation would likely rule.
Hell, so long as Varrel can reach the girl, her priority comes first so Varrel IS gonna try and just fly away. Ashe needs.to get out on his own.
Una's chaotic, not neutral. So she's even more about self preservation. I assume you mean tear, not gear. :)
Actually, in a city where the Law of the land is decided by Chelaxian or Chelish rulers, I think a healthy number of neutral and chaotic characters is relatively realistic. Nobility and religious leaders in this city are generally despicably evil (in Una's mind), as most are ruled by Asmodean politics, rather than any true concern for the people or the public at large. The answer, for Una, is to have the least to do with nobility or religion as possible. So, she's not as mercenary as you make her out to be, Ashe. :P
Ah.. from that perspective... that does indeed make some sence Una! But. she should keep in mind Ashe is certainly not of that ilk, as his actions have again and again proven!
Thanks for that freedom to act Megan... it is really nice to be allowed to make the story our own.
But, that is the key word here OUR story. Not just Ashe's story. So i'm not deaf the other player's concerns in this... as some feel that I steal a little too much of the scenes with my long detailed posts.
I promise i'll be more cosiderate in my posts in the future. I'll REALLY try to curb my enthusiasm! :)
Note that when I finally found the Queen's stats, there's no way that Hytogg's spell should have worked... but it gave me such a good laugh that it did anyway!
Rule of Cool!
LOLS... been forgetting all Ashe's singing checks are 1 higher he actually IS trained in singing! :)
Gonna take normal bard or archetype?
:) At 7th level... I was planning a normal Bard level. Since it will only be one level of Bard... most archetypes are not really worth it unless you are at least 4 to 5 levels of bard.
Do you have a archetype suggestion?
Will be out of town until next week. Happy Independence Day, Americans.
Will be out of town until next week. Happy Independence Day, Americans.
Have fun...we will, thanks!
Enjoy!
Enjoy the annual celebration of the time that my American friends' ancestors told my ancestors to get stuffed in some of the most beautiful phrases ever heard in diplomatic discourse... :)
Great Britain and England, on the whole, are probably America's closest ally overseas! Our peoples value very similar values of freedom of speech, justice in courts of law, and the pursuit of prosperity on our own individual merit. We just don't have a cool Royal Family to get behind and cheer for... our Senators {the closest thing we have to Royalty... at least wealth-wise} are not really many of us would per-se admire personally... due to their, at least recent, lack of producing anything really useful or inspiring even though we're ALL paying them to supposedly make our lives better! Partisan grid-lock has disillusioned many of our citizens with all the 'do-nothing' politics.
Queen Elizabeth II is far cooler than any of those dead-beats in our political mess we call government, even if she doesn't have any real political power... she has class, style, a regal demeanor and prestige that just can't be elected to office. I hope some of that... nobility rubs off on her sons.
The men who wrote our Declaration of Independence are NOT the American's in our government 'on the whole' of today. I doubt our 'founding fathers' would recognize our modern America... or be pleased by many of the changes in how government now mostly fails to work - 'By the People, Of the People, For the People'!
Megan,
I was wondering if it would be ok with you to change my trait- Magical Lineage (Shocking Grasp) and Intensify Spell Feat to magical lineage (Frostbite) and Rime Spell.
As it stands I have gotten absolute Zero use out of Magical Lineage and Intensify so I was hoping since I hadn't used them at all, maybe it would be ok.
If not that's cool. Once I hit 6th I'll start to see use from SG.
I just figured it might benefit myself and the party more by my go to spell being a Debuff (Fatigued+Entangled) rather than just big damage (Intensified SG.)
If not, all good.
also the new Advanced Race Guide is up on PFSRD.com
There is a New favored class option for Elven Magus.
Rather than getting bonus HP or SP they can get an Extra Arcana at 6, 12, 18.
If you are allowing ARG I'd love to implement this. I'll take awaythe bonus HP I have had and would get the bonus hex next level.
For reference it's listed under racial favored bonuses here:
Racil favored bonus
As usual you are a paragon of Awesome.
Thankyou.
Can we move along soon please?
I'm waiting for Megan's next post... giving everyone else a chance to do stuff.
Ashe is heading to the Temple Complex of the 'Pantheon of Many' to retrieve his normal weapons and armor. The 'Pantheon of Many' is effectively on the way to the Grey District and the 'Cathedral of Pharasma'. The major roads that lead to the 'Cathedral of Pharasma' lead one past the 'Pantheon of Many' Temple complex as well.
Yes, Ashe requested everyone gather at the Cathedral of Pharasma... if by some drastically bad happenstance any of us were spotted or identified at the execution... the Cathedral of Pharasma IS the most powerful and 'nominally' neutral sanctuary in Korvosa... though Ashe is guessing that Bishop d'Bear in a dispute with the crown would come down on our side.
It was only a suggestion we all meet there... just like Ashe's suggestion we all meet at Zellara's/Hytogg's home before the execution to plan our efforts together... but everyone save Varrel and Diggle chose not to do so or give their input - which is perfectly their choice to do. Ashe only suggested we gather before and after.
From what Megan said I infer the 'execution' was the last encounter for the current Adventure Path.. I think.
Ashe is concerned about tying up all the last ends of this story... the rescued prisoners from the Dead Warrens {see to it they get fed and sent home safely], Trina {find out where she will be hiding as even with her name 'cleared' she is not protected from the Queen's ire}, and Trina-Fake {find out who she really is and where she will be safely hidden from the Queen as well}.
Plus Ashe wants to take Varrel with him to consult with his Uncle on the recent events in the city especially the Queen's distasteful behavior of late.
I think megs is waiting on a post from Shakhan. Maybe a bit more describing how they intend to get away. Her last post did seem to indicate she wanted a bit, rather than 'POOF, you're all at the temple..'.
This has been one of my most Immersive games. A bit of storytelling on all our parts doesn't hurt when the GM is busy in RL or waiting on us. I have in a few Games had GM's seemingly dissappear, only to find they were waiting on the players.to.post a.bit more.
We all gotta help keep it moving.
(Sides, I think were all looking foreward to Una telling Ashe off for too much....'flair'.
Even Varrel has a couple of words reguarding Ashe, possibly, making Andorans a target of tje queens ire. We could have Hellknights rounding them up for 'questioning' and more riots due to thier heavy handed methods. Ashe's actions could concieveably get some innocent Andoran immigrants hurt.)
Tis true... about Andorans... as Ashe is actually a faction member of that organization - at least at this point in his development. But Eagle Knights are Reknown Golarion-wide for doing such dramatic, in your face, and public actions all the while spouting the cause of freedom for all to hear! Which is why Ashe chose that particular eagle facade to make his action.
But I'm sure the Queen's advisors will inform her of the danger of antagonizing the Andoran Nation! They have repulsed and fought many battles to maintain their sovereignty from Cheliax militarily. They are NOT pushovers and have maintained their nation against Cheliax and all her satellite colony's {Nidal, Molthune, etc..} military and political might.
But yes, Ashe is likely going to have some choice words directed his way... though he will likely wonder, 'Why all the huff...? We won, got away clean, and no one got hurt!' Though he will ask who threw the daggers at the Executioner...
Varrel did notice a black masked man dissappear into the crowd...possibly the plot device we sidetracked? Varrel will mention it when we regroup.
Yeah... I'm guessing so. There is also the crowd's mention of 'Blackjack'... who is that supposed to be? I can't find any reference to him in previous posts in the Gameplay. Have I missed something?
No worries. We needed to play out getting to the next book anyway. ;)
Congrats Megan, on the fulltime position. Must be a relief, a little bit of security is a load off the mind.
What is ENnies?
Hmmm, quite interested in what the Set Piece is/was now!
Me too...
Can't really reply for awhile... at work. Will post as soon as I'm off!
The ENnies is a roleplaying game independent judging competition. Fairly competitive with the various game manufacturers hoping their products will receive awards.
Pathfinder/Paizo has won most of them lately, probably pissing off Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast. There's categories like Best Adventure, Best Artwork, things like that.
More importantly though....When is Una gonna start pineing for Varrel. Gotta love a powerful yet scarred boy. He's alot like Edward. All chicks did Edward. My wife told me so. Varrel has the same build by the way. He should probably take his shirt off more....
Hmmm, that might get her attention... =). You could also punch Ashe out at some point. That would definitely get her attention... =).
All he needs to do is sock Ashe.?? DONE!
...I'm feeling a real lack of love here. :)
Shh. Be a good wingman and take it to the face for a bro. Varrel could score. He'd do it for you...
Shh. Be a good wingman and take it to the face for a bro. Varrel could score. He'd do it for you...
{Sigh...} Ok bro... but I think you would do better with a more sweetly dispositioned lady interest. Una might put a quarrel in you in thanks or when you annoy her eventually.
:)
Off to work again.. won't post again until this afternoon.
Find out about the ENnies here, or there is a section on my site about them here which has lists of entries, nominations and winners back to their beginning!
As for in-game romance (or intrigue or whatever), go for it!
Workin on it. Una strikes me as a challenging woman. I'll persue it once we have a chance to ne bought togather when Varrel hands his captive over to the Bishop.
I have to admit, I don't even read Ashes long posts. I log in and see them and can't muster the energy.
I am attempting to act as the collecting force for Shakhan, Hytogg, and Diggle. Which is why I haven't gone to the Cathedral yet. Also, all this posting on the weekend might alarm them when they get back to work/school or whatever. =)
But carry on.
I picked up on that. Thankyou. Not sure why shaktan.took off. He didn't even wait to find his favorite feathered drinking buddy:(
Chatterbeak will have words for him when you all get back.
I'm really just posting to char develop and keep it moving while everyone else is quiet.
I think given the way the execution went down Ashe is in for a party scolding.
The MAIN problem as I see it is Ashe's in Char flamboyance+ his over the top 'heroness' I see the Char as one of those types who won't admit to the fact he loves attention and wants others to act and feel the way he does but also can't admit he's pushing his views onto others. It's quite common in RL people. Kinda like the way certain religions claim to let people make their own choices, but then blah, blah on about thier virtues.
Kinda like the way some TV evangelists push thier views onto others in a nice way.
Or the boyfriend who tries to manipulate his girl into watching the footy (Sure, we can watch whatever you want, baby. #CHANNEL SURFS# Oh, that LOOKS like a great game. #CHANNEL SURFS#Ah, he's your show. You wanted to watch that right?)
He allows you your choice, but you need to be descisive around him otherwise you'll end up watching the footy (I have used this one myself! GO THE COWBOYS!) this is what I think has been happening in game.
So Varrel is gonna propose the group OFFICIALLY makes Una the party leader.
She seems to be the best Measuring stick for the groups intent.
Good leanings and stealthy, with a head for tactics.
She will get jobs done and whilst putting smart tactics as.priority, does lean towards good so as long as jobs are done for the GREATER GOOD (if only in a sneaky and safe way) Ashe should be happy to follow along.
Varrel certainly will. I have explained in char how damaged he is now and while I was gonna have him persue a romance with Una, I am now pretty sure he is not emotionally ready for that.
Annnnyyway, GAME ON!
Incidently, I like long posts by anyone. (Obviously guilty of it myself on occasion)
Really helps develop the chars beyound thier stats.
This game and DM Maslen's 2nd Darkness are by far my 2 favorites of the 10+ games I am in cause I feel I really KNOW who the chars are.
I hope to learn a bit more about Hytogg and Diggle....
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Do me a favor if you do post long posts. Be sure to put plenty of breaks or lines of ----- (dashes) in it, so I'm not looking at walls of text (which can occasionally give me headaches).
Ok
Pretty sure Megan wants us to bring oursleves to gether for some 'end of book forebodeing future type stuff- Diggle, Shakan or Hytogg wanna make a post to bring us together?
Then we can crack on with book 2 ;)