Fire's Fury

[Derrack]

Ok, I'm a touch confused on this wild talent and was hoping for some clarification. It states that with this you add your elemental overflow damage to fire based simple/composite blasts. Is that in addition to what your overflow already adds?

Example: My level 6 pyro with 2 burn (+4 to damage) has this wild talent and uses a simple fire blast with no infusions. Assume no Con modifier for simple math.

Is the damage equation 3d6 + 4
Or is it 3d6 + 8

Or am I simply confused about the whole process?

[CalethosVB]

Kinetic Blade, Kinetic Whip, and possibly Kinetic Fist do not add your damage bonus from Elemental Overflow.

[FlamingPhenex]

Derrack wrote:

Ok, I'm a touch confused on this wild talent and was hoping for some clarification. It states that with this you add your elemental overflow damage to fire based simple/composite blasts. Is that in addition to what your overflow already adds?

Example: My level 6 pyro with 2 burn (+4 to damage) has this wild talent and uses a simple fire blast with no infusions. Assume no Con modifier for simple math.

Is the damage equation 3d6 + 4
Or is it 3d6 + 8

Or am I simply confused about the whole process?

In this example, your elemental overflow bonus is +2. This gives you a +2 to attack and +4 to damage (damage bonus is double your EO bonus). So with fire's fury, you add another +2 (i.e. your EO bonus) to damage.

It'd be 3d6+6

[Father Drakov]

Ok so

"When using fire blasts or composite blasts that include fire, add
your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt. If the kinetic
blast normally adds double your elemental overflow bonus to
damage, these effects stack."

It says if it normall adds then double it. So

Damage initially would be 3d6+4

Then double your overflow bonus is 4

So it would be 3d6+8.

That is the ways that I read it.

[Mark Seifter]

Father Drakov wrote:

Ok so

"When using fire blasts or composite blasts that include fire, add
your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt. If the kinetic
blast normally adds double your elemental overflow bonus to
damage, these effects stack."

It says if it normall adds then double it. So

Damage initially would be 3d6+4

Then double your overflow bonus is 4

So it would be 3d6+8.

That is the ways that I read it.

If(normally adds double EO bonus)

Then: This stacks with fire's fury, for a total of 3x.

[Father Drakov]

So you triple the EO bonus to damage? It would be 3D6+12? If there was no con modifier to add.

[Chess Pwn]

Father Drakov wrote:

So you triple the EO bonus to damage? It would be 3D6+12? If there was no con modifier to add.

If you had 6 burn, EO would be +2 to attack and normally double that for damage for +4. But fire's fury adds it again so 4+2 =6 which is triple the original amount. So with 6 burn giving EO a +2 you'd get +6 damage.

[Imbicatus]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Father Drakov wrote:

So you triple the EO bonus to damage? It would be 3D6+12? If there was no con modifier to add.

If you had 6 burn, EO would be +2 to attack and normally double that for damage for +4. But fire's fury adds it again so 4+2 =6 which is triple the original amount. So with 6 burn giving EO a +2 you'd get +6 damage.

You wouldn't need 6 burn to give you a +2 elemental overflow bonus, you gain that at 2 burn. You are limited to a maximum bonus of +1 per three levels, but the bonus accumulates at a 1:1 ratio.

Elemental Overflow wrote:

In addition, she receives a bonus on her
attack rolls with kinetic blasts equal to the total number of
points of burn she currently has, to a maximum bonus of +1
for every 3 kineticist levels she possesses.

[Dekalinder]

Mark Seifter wrote:

If(normally adds double EO bonus)

Then: This stacks with fire's fury, for a total of 3x.

I'll go out a limb and ask you a tricky one. Fire's Fury says

Quote:

add your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt.

Does this means that Fire's Fury lets you benefit from Elf/Ork racial alternative favorite class bonus? Say, with a Kinetic Blade?

[Mark Seifter]

Dekalinder wrote:

Mark Seifter wrote:

If(normally adds double EO bonus)

Then: This stacks with fire's fury, for a total of 3x.

I'll go out a limb and ask you a tricky one. Fire's Fury says

Quote:

add your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt.

Does this means that Fire's Fury lets you benefit from Elf/Ork racial alternative favorite class bonus? Say, with a Kinetic Blade?

You're right, that actually is a tricky one! Conceptually the answer should 100% be no (the FCB should never add to kinetic blade), but you're right that the wording here makes it seem far more ambiguous.

Wow, excellent question Dekalinder. Good find indeed! Might be the FAQ on FCBs could use an addendum.

[Dekalinder]

Ouch, I knew I should have kept my mouth shout XD

[Bambara the Fierce]

so does fires fury not work with the kinetic blade? im making a pyrokinetic knight and was curious also would the pyromaniac gnome racial effect the fire blasts?

[willuwontu]

Bambara the Fierce wrote:

so does fires fury not work with the kinetic blade? im making a pyrokinetic knight and was curious also would the pyromaniac gnome racial effect the fire blasts?

Pyromaniac doesn't work as it affects spells, and blasts are an SLA. Seems like fire's fury should work with kinetic blade though.

[Bambara the Fierce]

I wish there was an official FAQ on this subject as i mainly play PFS and im not sure if this thread is enough to say yes it applies. So in the future if it is FAQed i will retrain fire sculptor for it.