Does the Robe of Arcane Heritage advance Bloodrager Bloodlines?

[The Morphling]

Per the recent FAQ regarding Draconic Bloodline Bloodragers and the Blood of Dragons ability of the Dragon Disciple (linked below):

FAQ wrote:

Dragon Disciple and Bloodrager: The dragon disciple’s blood of dragons ability increases draconic sorcerer bloodline powers. What about draconic bloodragers?

Yes, dragon disciple's blood of dragons ability should also increase draconic bloodragers’ bloodline powers.

Does the robe of arcane heritage apply to Bloodrager bloodlines?

[The Morphling]

Thanks for the FAQs, people. I have a bloodrager who will be very happy to get an official answer on this. Since most of the various items which enhance bloodlines were written before bloodragers existed, it would be great to get clarification on how they interact now that sorcerers aren't the only ones with a bloodline.

[Pahlok]

This definitely seems like it ought to work. I'd be glad to see an FAQ on this to confirm.

[The Morphling]

Yeah. It's consistent with the wording on Dragon Disciple, so it makes sense that it would work. The only reason it says "Sorcerer bloodline" at all in the Robe of Arcane Heritage is that when the item was printed, Bloodragers didn't exist.

I've heard this question come up a lot, so an official clarification would be nice.

[Fourshadow]

I would love for this to apply to Bloodrager Bloodlines. It is an arcane bloodline, so why not?

[TheTheos]

FAQ'd. If this gets answered would be nice to know if it also works on eldritch heritage.

[jbadams]

FAQ'd. :)

TheTheos wrote:

FAQ'd. If this gets answered would be nice to know if it also works on eldritch heritage.

Agreed - asked about that and got 29 FAQ clicks so far, but no official response as of yet - the conversation persuaded me to change my stance on the matter though! :)

[The Morphling]

Thanks for the link. Hopefully we can get some more input on this issue.

[The Morphling]

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this might not not work? It seems to use the exact wording of the Dragon Disciple, so I suspect it operates just fine.

[Chess Pwn]

The problem is Marks has said that FAQs only modify/change/work for what they are addressing and nothing else. So with that said all the FAQs in the last year, at least, probably follow that "rule" as such even though the wording is identical it's not safe to assume it carries over.
Example is the buckler counts as having a free hand for slashing grace, but that doesn't mean it's a free hand for dervish dance.

[The Morphling]

Actually, it does. Dervish Dance works fine with a buckler. The FAQ clarified how bucklers work in general, so it absolutely applies to Dervish Dance too.

The Dragon Disciple FAQ is different, though. It just describes the Dragon Disciple's class feature, and unlike the buckler FAQ, doesnt establish a generic rule for what counts as a "sorcerer bloodline."

I wouldn't be asking for FAQs if I thought the Dragon Disciple FAQ had settled this issue for the robe.

[Prof. Löwenzahn]

Can we get some more FAQ's here, fellow Bloodragers?

[Fruian Thistlefoot]

Bump for more FAQ Flags

[MageHunter]

Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:

Bump for more FAQ Flags

Just a note, the team has explained the number of FAQ requests doesn't increase the likelihood of an answer. Be it one request or a hundred, they have a specific system.

[Chess Pwn]

No, they say that the higher count makes it faster, that having multiple threads with counts don't.

[MageHunter]

Chess Pwn wrote:

No, they say that the higher count makes it faster, that having multiple threads with counts don't.

In the How tO Use FAQ's secrion, one of the questions is literally does more FAQ clicks increase the chance of being answered, and they say no. They look at other factors.

[Chess Pwn]

And in DEV posts they say they have a queue, and that higher FAQ counts put it higher in the queue.

[Pathfinder Design Team]

Answered in FAQ

FAQ wrote:

Bloodrager Bloodlines: Can a bloodrager use abilities that require sorcerer levels and relate to sorcerer bloodlines like robe of arcane heritage?

No. Some hybrid classes, like the brawler, have a class feature allowing them to use items related to their parent class, but the bloodrager doesn’t.

[Gisher]

So no Robes of Arcane Heritage for Eldritch Scions then. Good to know. It's nice that Dragon Disciple is an exception.

[Fourshadow]

Wow. Bloodrager has no "Arcane Heritage"? Not the route I would have gone.

[Prof. Löwenzahn]

K, I will cry now for a while and then I got to remodel my character a little...

[Shiniryuu]

FAQ wrote:

Bloodrager Bloodlines: Can a bloodrager use abilities that require sorcerer levels and relate to sorcerer bloodlines like robe of arcane heritage?

No. Some hybrid classes, like the brawler, have a class feature allowing them to use items related to their parent class, but the bloodrager doesn’t.

Does this ruling include the ampoule of false blood? If a bloodrager's bloodline class feature can't benefit from magic items that interact with the bloodline class feature, does that also exempt the bloodrager from penalties from magic items (like the blood-hunting weapon special ability) that interact with the bloodline class feature? Furthermore, if the bloodrager can't utilize magic items that affect the bloodline class feature, why are all iterations of said class feature required to match? How and why can the dragon disciple's blood of dragons class feature interact with the bloodrager's iteration of the bloodline class feature if magic items can't? As things currently stand, the bloodline class feature is suffering from a continuity error. The arguement that the robe of arcane heritage doesn't interact with the bloodrager's bloodline class feature because said magic item references sorcerer level was dismantled before the question of whether they interacted was ruled on with the ruling on dragon disciple and bloodrager:

CRB wrote:

Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline...

FAQ wrote:

Dragon Disciple and Bloodrager: The dragon disciple’s blood of dragons ability increases draconic sorcerer bloodline powers. What about draconic bloodragers?

Yes, dragon disciple's blood of dragons ability should also increase draconic bloodragers’ bloodline powers.

The ruling on the dragon disciple's blood of dragons class feature suggests that the class from which you gain a class feature not as important as the class feature itself when determining if the class feature improves, but the ruling on bloodline magic items says that class is everything, despite the fact that a bloodrager version of a bloodline magic item would have the exact same cost and the exact same feat and spell requirements.

[Cavall]

A bloodhunting weapon doesn't require Sorc levels. The FAQ was specific on how it should interact.

[KingOfAnything]

The Dragon Disciple FAQ should be treated as one-off errata for the prestige class, not a general principle or guideline to follow.

[Cavall]

Agreed. It's core book years before the bloodrager was even a thought, for its own FAQ as an answer that should be considered an exemption (and a generous one at that) to an FAQ that is otherwise clearly spelt out.

[Shiniryuu]

KongOfAnything wrote:

The Dragon Disciple FAQ should be treated as one-off errata for the prestige class, not a general principle or guideline to follow.

Cavall wrote:

Agreed. It's core book years before the bloodrager was even a thought, for its own FAQ as an answer that should be considered an exemption (and a generous one at that) to an FAQ that is otherwise clearly spelt out.

So do you believe that the difference between the bloodrager's and sorcerer's iterations of the bloodline class feature goes deeper than the class that grants the bloodline? As I previously stated, the current issue is a continuity error.

[KingOfAnything]

The bloodlines of sorcerers and bloodragers manifest very differently and should not be treated as interchangeable. I don't see the continuity error you are claiming.

The Dragon Disciple is unusual because it grants a draconic bloodline to characters that do not have sorcerer levels. But, bloodragers already have a draconic bloodline. It's just not a sorcerer bloodline.

Some things (like blood-hunting) trigger on either kind of bloodline. Others are keyed to the specific manifestations of sorcerers' bloodlines. Dragon Disciple is clarified to be the former.