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Anything Anti-mage is fantastic in my book.
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Why in hell is this a spell and why does it do what Feeblemind to some or better points in a lower level spell slot?
School divination [mind-affecting]; Level bard 2, mesmerist 1,
psychic 2
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
You lock access to the target’s procedural memories, preventing
it from drawing upon its experience and expertise. The target
loses all skill ranks, spells known, spells prepared, and activated
feats, as well as its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like
abilities. Each round at the end of the target’s turn, the target
can attempt another Will save to end this effect.
Feeblemind is permanent. This gives a save each round. Really it is more comparable to the 2nd level spell Hold Person than Feeblemind as both can seriously screw you over temporarily, except Hold Person also lets people coup de grace you. Also note that it is a Will save, the good save for the kind of target that it screws over the most. Enemies that focus on kicking your s%@* in with weapons/natural attacks are much less bothered beyond not being able to use Power Attack.
So yeah, it looks like it would be a lot less awesome in practice than it does on paper.
Unless the person casting this has a really high DC, this is not going to be a useful spell to toss at any caster.
A smart caster never targets an enemy's strong save.
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Anything Anti-mage is fantastic in my book.it anti any thing. it can block a fighter Bravery (Ex),Armor Training (Ex), Weapon Training (Ex) It can block off a barbarian rage
hell i think it can stop a paladin Divine Health (Ex) if only for small number of rounds..The spell kills class powers out right for mostly any class.
So does Hold Person and it also lets you get your throat cut.
So does Hold Person and it also lets you get your throat cut.Anything Anti-mage is fantastic in my book.it anti any thing. it can block a fighter Bravery (Ex),Armor Training (Ex), Weapon Training (Ex) It can block off a barbarian rage
hell i think it can stop a paladin Divine Health (Ex) if only for small number of rounds..The spell kills class powers out right for mostly any class.
"Can work on non-humanoids" vs "allows Coup De Grace and stops running or full attacking" seems like a fair trade to me.
Actually, for Bards it is not only competing with Hold Person but with Suggestion as well. Yeah...not quite as good as Suggestion.
What is pretty cool though is that it isn't a charm or compulsion, or even an enchantment...for some insane reason. Suck it, Still Mind.
Could be used to decent effect in combination with Bestow Curse, or Mind Fog, or some other way to reduce will saves (ironically those all require their own will saves, but that's life).
Keep in mind, most arcane casters won't have a great wisdom score, so even though they have a 'good' will save it won't be amazing without investment. I can't count how many times my wizards have failed saves against fear and spent a fight running away.
Overall, the fact that it allows a save each round means it likely won't stick for more than a few, unless you're lucky. Not terrible, but not amazing.
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I can see it being annoying for the math. Recalculating numbers without features you take for granted.
Oooh Oooh...pick me pick me! I was me guys, I was the one that did this. Can anyone tell me what an activated feat is? To me it is anything that a player would have to state he is using, Two-Weapon Fighting/Power Attack/Deadly Aim. It would not apply to things like Iron Will, Skill Focus, Extra Traits.
What do you all think?
Agreed, it's feats that you choose to use. Note that Two-Weapon Fighting doesn't belong on that list, it's an always-on conditional feat that always activates when you full attack with two weapons.
Activated feats are things like PA, Cleave, Vital Strike,most style feats, and Spring attack.
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Technically, you're finding and sealing away information.
It should actually be a divination/abjuration effect, since it's operating like a curse effect, but you aren't allowed to 2-school spells in PF, so they waved it as a gimme to Divination, which has very few offensive spells.
==Aelryinth
I can see it being annoying for the math. Recalculating numbers without features you take for granted.
This is where I could see the spell providing the largest problem. Rarely do character sheets have the space for, or do players take the time to note down, what every single +1 or +2 bonus they have to their attack/dmg/saves is and where that bonus came from.
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in the name of [add pathfinder god here you like]... the spell can block Mythic powers as well.
sure unlikely to come up but it sure of a hell of a way to by pass
Immortal (Su) tier 10At 9th tier, if you are killed, you return to life 24 hours later, regardless of the condition of your body or the means by which you were killed. When you return to life, you aren't treated as if you had rested, and don't regain the use of abilities that recharge with rest until you next rest. This ability doesn't apply if you're killed by a coup de grace or critical hit performed by either a mythic creature (or creature of even greater power) or a non-mythic creature wielding a weapon capable of bypassing epic damage reduction. At 10th tier, you can be killed only by a coup de grace or critical hit made with an artifact.
I'm chuckling at the imagery
"oh s$@$ I forgot how to not die!"
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Honestly, this spell is as bad as Sacred Geometry, only now the work-load is on the GM rather than the player. I don't want to have to scan through the monster's/NPC's statblock for everything this will affect and recalculate it mid-combat. No, just no, banned at my table.
in the name of [add pathfinder god here you like]... the spell can block Mythic powers as well.
sure unlikely to come up but it sure of a hell of a way to by pass
Immortal (Su) tier 10At 9th tier, if you are killed, you return to life 24 hours later, regardless of the condition of your body or the means by which you were killed. When you return to life, you aren't treated as if you had rested, and don't regain the use of abilities that recharge with rest until you next rest. This ability doesn't apply if you're killed by a coup de grace or critical hit performed by either a mythic creature (or creature of even greater power) or a non-mythic creature wielding a weapon capable of bypassing epic damage reduction. At 10th tier, you can be killed only by a coup de grace or critical hit made with an artifact.
Dear god, I didn't even think about that. What the utter crap, Paizo? How does a second level spell shutting down demi-god immortality make ANY @#*&ing sense?!?
What does it mean Lose Spells Known. Does this mean you get to reselect them? I mean you lose all those spells but you are allowed to know those spells via your own spells section.
To be fair, if a Tier 10 Immortal mythic character can't make the save against as second (or first) level spell, they freaking deserve to die.
I can just see it now...
After a long fight, the mesmerist is down to a few spells. He thinks, what the hell? So he casts this...
The GM is all, that is never gonna work lol
*Roll*
Nat 1.....
Gm Is all.... i hate you...
Mmm, I guess that depends on whether you view the ability as activating upon their demise, or activating 24 hours later...when the spell has certainly run out by, since it's only one round per level.Dear god, I didn't even think about that. What the utter crap, Paizo? How does a second level spell shutting down demi-god immortality make ANY @#*&ing sense?!?in the name of [add pathfinder god here you like]... the spell can block Mythic powers as well.
sure unlikely to come up but it sure of a hell of a way to by pass
Immortal (Su) tier 10At 9th tier, if you are killed, you return to life 24 hours later, regardless of the condition of your body or the means by which you were killed. When you return to life, you aren't treated as if you had rested, and don't regain the use of abilities that recharge with rest until you next rest. This ability doesn't apply if you're killed by a coup de grace or critical hit performed by either a mythic creature (or creature of even greater power) or a non-mythic creature wielding a weapon capable of bypassing epic damage reduction. At 10th tier, you can be killed only by a coup de grace or critical hit made with an artifact.
The wording of the ability makes it pretty clear that it triggers the respawn timer when you die. If you are killed and you have this mythic ability, you come back the next day. If you are killed and you don't have the ability, then you're already dead when the spell wears off and you can't, so far as the rules are concerned and to my knowledge, be killed while dead. Unless Paizo subscribes to the Iraqi method of thinking, of course.
And Imbicatus, Persistent/Heighten Spell is a thing. Just saying.
Mmm, I guess that depends on whether you view the ability as activating upon their demise, or activating 24 hours later...when the spell has certainly run out by, since it's only one round per level.Dear god, I didn't even think about that. What the utter crap, Paizo? How does a second level spell shutting down demi-god immortality make ANY @#*&ing sense?!?in the name of [add pathfinder god here you like]... the spell can block Mythic powers as well.
sure unlikely to come up but it sure of a hell of a way to by pass
Immortal (Su) tier 10At 9th tier, if you are killed, you return to life 24 hours later, regardless of the condition of your body or the means by which you were killed. When you return to life, you aren't treated as if you had rested, and don't regain the use of abilities that recharge with rest until you next rest. This ability doesn't apply if you're killed by a coup de grace or critical hit performed by either a mythic creature (or creature of even greater power) or a non-mythic creature wielding a weapon capable of bypassing epic damage reduction. At 10th tier, you can be killed only by a coup de grace or critical hit made with an artifact.The wording of the ability makes it pretty clear that it triggers the respawn timer when you die. If you are killed and you have this mythic ability, you come back the next day. If you are killed and you don't have the ability, then you're already dead when the spell wears off and you can't, so far as the rules are concerned and to my knowledge, be killed while dead. Unless Paizo subscribes to the Iraqi method of thinking, of course.
And Imbicatus, Persistent/Heighten Spell is a thing. Just saying.
Or duplicating it with Wish/Miracle.
To be fair, if a Tier 10 Immortal mythic character can't make the save against as second (or first) level spell, they freaking deserve to die.
This spell is probably worth using Heighten on, to be honest. It's pretty damn good.
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I can see it being annoying for the math. Recalculating numbers without features you take for granted.This is where I could see the spell providing the largest problem. Rarely do character sheets have the space for, or do players take the time to note down, what every single +1 or +2 bonus they have to their attack/dmg/saves is and where that bonus came from.
But that's the thing, the spell doesn't effect Weapon Focus, Iron Will, Two-Weapon Fighting or any other 'always on' Feats. Only 'activated' ones.
So unless you've forgotten what your bonuses are when not Power attacking, no recalculation is necessary. You just can't use any optional Feats.
Except you have to figure out what bonuses are from other things. It's not the feats you have to recalculate. It's the (Ex) and (Su).
So a level 2 Bard spell can perma kill a Lich without the whole hassle of hunting down the Lich's phylactery. Need to be sure to pick this up.
[mind-affecting]. Sorry.
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So a level 2 Bard spell can perma kill a Lich without the whole hassle of hunting down the Lich's phylactery. Need to be sure to pick this up.[mind-affecting]. Sorry.
Threnodic Spell.So a level 2 Bard spell can perma kill a Lich without the whole hassle of hunting down the Lich's phylactery. Need to be sure to pick this up.[mind-affecting]. Sorry.
I don't know how I forgot that given Heaven Oracle shenanigans. That's pretty awesome against Liches then. Hilarious to.
Ha, that's pretty great if you can get the spell to work. Though it can be fixed with a dispel magic.
Though re-reading, I'd rule it's supposed to be turn off activated (Ex) and (Su) abilities.
So the red dragon forgets how to breath fire, but doesn't stop being fire immune.
Ha, that's pretty great if you can get the spell to work. Though it can be fixed with a dispel magic.
Though re-reading, I'd rule it's supposed to be turn off activated (Ex) and (Su) abilities.
So the red dragon forgets how to breath fire, but doesn't stop being fire immune.
Yeah, I think its pretty clear that this is RAI
"activated feats, as well as [activated] EX and SU abilities. . ."
as compared to "activated feats, as well as [all including static] EX and SU abilities".
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No, it's clear that it shuts off everything. I mean, you forget how to climb and jump under this spell's effect.