death comes to everyone.....


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


but i wana talk about the deaths of rangers ad druids and what happens after they die what happens to their animal companion. do they die as well or do they go off into their natural habitat. if that happens what happens to their companion lvls do they vanish? and if that does not happen what if another druid gets the same animal as his/her animal companion? can someone take the dead urban ranger's dog companion as a pet? yea a urban ranger can still get an animal companion just takes two feats and being lvl 4.does the animal companion follow its masters last command? like save Timmy from wells.

what happens to the paladins old horse when he gets his new steed thingy?


The answer is: the GM decides. If it would make for an interesting and fun story, then yes to whatever. If it would make for a fitting conclusion, then yes.

There are no rules on this besides rule 1.


Anything gained through class features is fine when the class feature disappears. Its up to the gm to decide how


Secret Wizard wrote:
Anything gained through class features is fine when the class feature disappears.

Not necessarily.


what is rule 1?

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I was pondering a similar point not long ago, regarding the aging process of familiars. Assuming that the aging process stops during its time as a familiar (not necessarily a given) I wondered if a familiar past its age limit would die the moment a caster did or if it would simply start aging normally as if the intervening time didn't count.

I came to the conclusion that the rules weren't likely to tell me. Same probably applies to your question.


Given that rangers or druids don't die when their animal companions die, and the whole balance-of-nature vibe, I wouldn't rule it as the animal companion die. Cohorts and followers gained through Leadership don't die when the PC dies, they just no longer have any particular loyalty to the party.

But yeah - I don't think there's a written-rules answer, just the GM's individual ruling.


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zainale wrote:
what is rule 1?

Rule 1: GM's word is law.

(Rule 0: Have fun. Seriously)


I find it rather flavorful that the souleater's new familiar eats its previous familiar. Raw bird never tasted so good!


Valar morghulis.

As for animal companions, no I don't kill them but they will depart. In a sense they now feel an aversion to cooperating with the greater party and feel drawn back into the wild.

This could create some problems in getting there if they died in a dungeon or mid invasion of an enemy castle. Fortunately it hasn't come up much as druids and paladins are hard to kill, in part because of their companions.


reincarnate
does it still allow you to be turned into an animal. or is that the older D&D spells.

where does the new body come from? is it made from the place where all magically made things come from?

what if it steal some poor blokes body and replaces his soul with your own? if it takes some blokes body and its some monstrous body do you have to deal with its mate if it finds you? or some child gnoll starts following you around calling you papa?or worse you take over the body of some wanted persons body and are now hunted by bounty hunter? heck that could work for any race as well.

does the reincarnated body just appear where the spell is cast or do you wake up where the body was last. say its home. you would have to bluff your way out of the town or what ever and have to meet back up with your party.


Ok so here's what you do. Buy a scroll of awaken, get enough UMD to use it, etc. Wait until the Druid/ranger/hunter/other is dead and his companion becomes free -- then bam! Awaken it. Now it's friendly to you and will stick around for the rest of the adventure.

But wait there's more. We're still going to Rez that guy. Come on, party loyalty. And when he comes back to life you get to watch that whole awkward conversation where the animal tells him it's found someone else and maybe they can still be friends just not, you know, companions anymore. Hilarious.


chocobot wrote:
Ok so here's what you do. Buy a scroll of awaken, get enough UMD to use it, etc.

Don't buy a scroll. Hunt down a high-level Arcanist and get them to metamagic it up to an Empowered Maximized Awaken, maybe using rods or something. Watch as the animal gets 18+3d6/2 INT (Average 23.25). Now who's the smart one?


My Self wrote:
chocobot wrote:
Ok so here's what you do. Buy a scroll of awaken, get enough UMD to use it, etc.
Don't buy a scroll. Hunt down a high-level Arcanist and get them to metamagic it up to an Empowered Maximized Awaken, maybe using rods or something. Watch as the animal gets 18+3d6/2 INT (Average 23.25). Now who's the smart one?

the animal, who then becomes our supreme overlord?


This average 23 INT is its base INT, before levels and equipment and tomes and junk. That's a whole 3 higher, or a +1 modifier higher, than you can get with any core race. On top of that, you get a not-bad animal STR/DEX/CON. With any luck, you could roll even higher and get a better bonus. That means your dog companion could have more skill points/level than your 10 INT Rogue. But you know what class dogs with amazing INTs take?

You're a wizard, Hairy.

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