They didn't mention it, and I suspect that any clarification/errata regarding this issue would have to change/clarify the dragon disciple... so you might have to wait for a CRB errata.I agree with this, but I also agree with the disappointment.
Same, I was really hopeful
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Does no one realize that in Advance class origins in page 5 there is a list that says what class qualifies for what prestige class?
There is no debate that a bloodrager can qualify for the dragon disciple prestige class. The debate is whether they can continue on with the bloodrager dragon bloodline or they have to switch to the sorcerer dragon bloodline. As it is written, by a strict reading of the prestige class in the CRB, you have to switch.
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There's no dispute that the bloodrager qualifies, Chad. The question is whether the a bloodrager with the Draconic bloodline would get the same benefits as a sorcerer with their version of the Draconic bloodline. RAW, they don't.
Interestingly, now that you mention it, the entry for Magaambyan Arcanist in that table is also incorrect. The Spell Mastery feat required specifies it is a Wizard only feat, despite the fact that the class features seem to think witches are eligible. It's silly, but it's the way things work.
Problems like that are the reason that the brawler's class features include the text: "a brawler counts her total brawler levels as both fighter levels and monk levels for the purpose of qualifying for feats." Otherwise, Disruptive, Weapon Specialization, and other feats that specify fighter pre-reqs wouldn't be RAW attainable.
I believe the ruling tends to be that the CRB isn't intended to rely on any other books (except the Bestiary now and then, so Disruptive will never get "or Brawler" added to it). Assuming that's the case, CRB errata won't ever cover it, but CRB FAQ could possibly.
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The debate is whether they can continue on with the bloodrager dragon bloodline or they have to switch to the sorcerer dragon bloodline.
They don't have to "switch", they receive the powers of the Sorcerer Draconic bloodline in addition to the Bloodrager Draconic bloodline. Each bloodline's abilities are simply determined independently by the number of levels in the class that grants it. So a Bloodrager 5/Dragon Disciple 2 has the Bloodline powers of a 5th level Bloodrage and a 2nd level Sorcerer.
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Interestingly, now that you mention it, the entry for Magaambyan Arcanist in that table is also incorrect. The Spell Mastery feat required specifies it is a Wizard only feat, despite the fact that the class features seem to think witches are eligible. It's silly, but it's the way things work.
Please note this post.
why is this even a question?
this is very simple: the bloodrager with the dragon bloodline should advance with his bloodline when taking the dragon disciple prestige class because it is already a dragon bloodline
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Also currently a bloodrager can be any bloodline to get into dragon disciple as it isn't a sorcerer so isn't limited by that restriction
You must have missed this:
If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform.
Dragon Disciple gives you the sorcerer Draconic Bloodline, and it says the bloodlines must match.
Also currently a bloodrager can be any bloodline to get into dragon disciple as it isn't a sorcerer so isn't limited by that restrictionYou must have missed this:
If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform.Dragon Disciple gives you the sorcerer Draconic Bloodline, and it says the bloodlines must match.
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.
I would say that you only get the sorcerer's dragon bloodline if you take levels in sorcerer after this prestige class
edit: after looking at the blood of the dragons class feat i would say it would increase the bloodrager's bloodline level just like it would a sorcerer's
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Having played Dragon Disciples from 3.0 to now I agree that RAI they should be allowed to continue in power (bloodrager 5/DD2 = Bloodrager 7). As this is the PFS we have to go RAW which means that it is as described by Dheen and Polydactylpolymath. Personally, in a home game I would allow it to stack.
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The two bloodlines are pretty different. Bonus spells, bonus skills, bonus feats, etc. don't match. Even some of the abilities that do match, come at different levels. Which is expected with multi-classing (or character level vs class level.) As noted in previous threads, the things that should stack are called out. These shouldn't stack in my opinion. A multi-class character should not be as good as a single class character in [ability X].
IMHO If you want to play a sorcerer, play a sorcerer. If you want to multi-class, multi-class.
This is firmly in the GM discretion area; I didn't expect a FAQ to the ACG to change anything. You will have to petition the Decemvirate for this instead.
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The Blood of dragon's doesn't give you a bloodline, it increases it if you do have the draconic sorcerer bloodline or it gives you the powers of the bloodline same as eldrich heritage. Thus a bloodrager can be any bloodline going into it and the blood of dragon's doesn't increase the bloodrager's bloodline
The Blood of dragon's doesn't give you a bloodline, it increases it if you do have the draconic sorcerer bloodline or it gives you the powers of the bloodline same as eldrich heritage. Thus a bloodrager can be any bloodline going into it and the blood of dragon's doesn't increase the bloodrager's bloodline
but blood of the dragon increases the level of the draconic bloodline, it doesn't designate that it only increases the sorcerer's draconic bloodline
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According to the PRD
Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
So argue all you want but as it is written a bloodrager has no sorcerer levels, and until the CRB gets errata'd to "change sorcerer to class that grants bloodline and spontaneous casting" there will be an issue when it comes to a bloodrager dragon disciples.
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The Blood of dragon's doesn't give you a bloodline, it increases it if you do have the draconic sorcerer bloodline or it gives you the powers of the bloodline same as eldrich heritage. Thus a bloodrager can be any bloodline going into it and the blood of dragon's doesn't increase the bloodrager's bloodlinebut blood of the dragon increases the level of the draconic bloodline, it doesn't designate that it only increases the sorcerer's draconic bloodline
What Temec said. The bloodrager has no sorcerer levels so he gains bloodline powers kinda like eldrich heritage.
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Dragon Disciple and Bloodrager: The dragon disciple’s blood of dragons ability increases draconic sorcerer bloodline powers. What about draconic bloodragers?
Yes, dragon disciple's blood of dragons ability should also increase draconic bloodragers’ bloodline powers.
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Doesn't seem like it should. The exception called out in the FAQ applies to a specific PRC and it's relation to a specific bloodrager bloodline. It isn't a blanket statement that means bloodrager bloodlines and sorcerer bloodlines are interchangeable for the purposes of other game mechanics, like magic items.
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My reasoning comes from the text in the Dragon Disciple;
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline....
Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
The Blood of Dragons ability clearly expects your bloodline to be a draconic one; I'd interpret that to mean that it only advances draconic bloodline powers.
So as a crossblood you could level up to 5 and get a 1st and 4rth level non-draconic power, and then just continue with draconic powers.
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My reasoning comes from the text in the Dragon Disciple;
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline....
Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
The Blood of Dragons ability clearly expects your bloodline to be a draconic one; I'd interpret that to mean that it only advances draconic bloodline powers.
So as a crossblood you could level up to 5 and get a 1st and 4rth level non-draconic power, and then just continue with draconic powers.
A cross-blooded sorcerer has been confirmed to have both his bloodlines advanced by the DD ability. Why would a cross-blooded bloodrager be any different?