paizo.com Recent Posts in [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!paizo.com Recent Posts in [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!2015-12-08T01:03:58Z2015-12-08T01:03:58ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Slithery Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#282015-12-07T23:03:47Z2015-12-07T23:03:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steel_Wind wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh yes it does. A <i>dispel magic</i> will first target and interact with the highest level spell then in effect. As a spell with heightened effect, that's a 9th level spell buff of <i>enlarge person</i> at CL20.
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</blockquote><p>You're half right. A dispel will first target the highest caster level, not spell level. So if your 20th level Cleric casts a 1st level buff on your 19th level wizard, that buff spell is the first thing at risk, not his CL 19 Shapechange (or whatever).Steel_Wind wrote:Oh yes it does. A dispel magic will first target and interact with the highest level spell then in effect. As a spell with heightened effect, that's a 9th level spell buff of enlarge person at CL20.
You're half right. A dispel will first target the highest caster level, not spell level. So if your 20th level Cleric casts a 1st level buff on your 19th level wizard, that buff spell is the first thing at risk, not his CL 19 Shapechange (or whatever).Slithery D2015-12-07T23:03:47ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Steel_Wind (alias of Robert Trifts)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#272015-12-07T07:25:29Z2015-12-07T07:25:29Z<p>Oh yes it does. A <i>dispel magic</i> will first target and interact with the highest level spell then in effect. As a spell with heightened effect, that's a 9th level spell buff of <i>enlarge person</i> at CL20. In all but a mere handful of potential exceptions, that spell effect is <i>overwhelmingly likely</i> in this AP to rule the roost as the highest level spell effect when it is in effect. This may matter when the wielder interacts with a caster or when hit with a special weapon - like, a +2 <i>dispelling morningstar</i>, say.</p>
<p>A targeted <i>dispel magic</i> will therefore potentially affect that buff first. It may preserve your other buffs from cancellation. Whether that is perceived a bonus or not is a matter of context, but it absolutely will matter. </p>
<p>It also affects duration for a spell cast from an equivocal source. In this case, given the stated text of the artifact itself, it does not have an impact. It's a CL20 item and the text says it last 20 minutes. Otherwise, for an ambiguous source, we'd be assuming contextually it was CL17 (the minimum level to cast a 9th level spell).</p>Oh yes it does. A dispel magic will first target and interact with the highest level spell then in effect. As a spell with heightened effect, that's a 9th level spell buff of enlarge person at CL20. In all but a mere handful of potential exceptions, that spell effect is overwhelmingly likely in this AP to rule the roost as the highest level spell effect when it is in effect. This may matter when the wielder interacts with a caster or when hit with a special weapon - like, a +2 dispelling...Steel_Wind (alias of Robert Trifts)2015-12-07T07:25:29ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Niztaelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#262015-12-07T01:27:52Z2015-12-07T01:27:52Z<p>Heightened affects neither duration or the possibility of dispel being effective or not. Globe of Invulnerability would almost apply, but it's not an offensive spell. It just seems to be a waste of 8 levels of metamagic, assuming it's even heightened to 9th level which remains unclear.</p>Heightened affects neither duration or the possibility of dispel being effective or not. Globe of Invulnerability would almost apply, but it's not an offensive spell. It just seems to be a waste of 8 levels of metamagic, assuming it's even heightened to 9th level which remains unclear.Niztael2015-12-07T01:27:52ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Steel_Wind (alias of Robert Trifts)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#252015-12-07T01:12:19Z2015-12-07T01:12:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Niztael wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm just curious about Agrimmosh and I thought this would be a good place to ask. What is the purpose of the heightened quality of the enlarge person and to what level was it heightened? Are we to assume it's been heightened to 9th level? I've only read the first part of the AP, and I thought the heightened might matter later but I would like to know so I can plan to change it. </blockquote><p>Duration and, more importantly, for dispelling purposes.Niztael wrote:I'm just curious about Agrimmosh and I thought this would be a good place to ask. What is the purpose of the heightened quality of the enlarge person and to what level was it heightened? Are we to assume it's been heightened to 9th level? I've only read the first part of the AP, and I thought the heightened might matter later but I would like to know so I can plan to change it.
Duration and, more importantly, for dispelling purposes.Steel_Wind (alias of Robert Trifts)2015-12-07T01:12:19ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Niztaelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#242015-12-07T00:55:54Z2015-12-07T00:55:54Z<p>I'm just curious about Agrimmosh and I thought this would be a good place to ask. What is the purpose of the heightened quality of the enlarge person and to what level was it heightened? Are we to assume it's been heightened to 9th level? I've only read the first part of the AP, and I thought the heightened might matter later but I would like to know so I can plan to change it.</p>I'm just curious about Agrimmosh and I thought this would be a good place to ask. What is the purpose of the heightened quality of the enlarge person and to what level was it heightened? Are we to assume it's been heightened to 9th level? I've only read the first part of the AP, and I thought the heightened might matter later but I would like to know so I can plan to change it.Niztael2015-12-07T00:55:54ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Myrryrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#232015-09-10T14:35:22Z2015-09-10T14:35:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragonchess Player wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote> Giantslayer probably has more artifacts fall into the PCs' hands than any AP to date... </blockquote><p>Compared to Wrath of the Righteous? Not even close.
<p>Also, the powers of •• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>To be totally honest [Spoiler omitted]Dragonchess Player wrote:Archpaladin Zousha wrote: Giantslayer probably has more artifacts fall into the PCs' hands than any AP to date...
Compared to Wrath of the Righteous? Not even close. Also, the powers of ** spoiler omitted ** To be totally honest [Spoiler omitted]Myrryr2015-09-10T14:35:22ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Dragonchess Playerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#222015-09-07T16:08:21Z2015-09-07T16:08:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote> Giantslayer probably has more artifacts fall into the PCs' hands than any AP to date... </blockquote><p>Compared to Wrath of the Righteous? Not even close.
<p>Also, the powers of [Spoiler omitted]</p>Archpaladin Zousha wrote:Giantslayer probably has more artifacts fall into the PCs' hands than any AP to date...
Compared to Wrath of the Righteous? Not even close. Also, the powers of [Spoiler omitted]Dragonchess Player2015-09-07T16:08:21ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Joey Virtuehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#212015-09-06T14:01:44Z2015-09-06T14:01:44Z<p>I really don't see the problem, for once the spell casters don't get all the nice things. There is no rules in RPGs that everyone has to be balanced and equal powered. Give the melee fighter a break for once and let them be one of the dominate forces at high level.</p>I really don't see the problem, for once the spell casters don't get all the nice things. There is no rules in RPGs that everyone has to be balanced and equal powered. Give the melee fighter a break for once and let them be one of the dominate forces at high level.Joey Virtue2015-09-06T14:01:44ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Sic_Pixiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#202015-07-23T14:45:32Z2015-07-23T14:45:32Z<p>Yea my party is a Trox Warpriest of Calistra using a whip. An Assimar Summoner and a human Wizard ... The Eidelon is using the only artifact we have so far. Just finished the second book.</p>
<p>Going well so far but I am looking forward to who gets the hand later :)</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Sic</p>Yea my party is a Trox Warpriest of Calistra using a whip. An Assimar Summoner and a human Wizard ... The Eidelon is using the only artifact we have so far. Just finished the second book.
Going well so far but I am looking forward to who gets the hand later :)
Regards
SicSic_Pixie2015-07-23T14:45:32ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Seannosshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#192015-07-22T16:07:10Z2015-07-22T16:07:10Z<p>My PCs were nice, only one dwarf and he's a druid. Although finding Agrimmosh did make the melee wizard pick up a level of ranger to use it as my group has no melee classes.</p>My PCs were nice, only one dwarf and he's a druid. Although finding Agrimmosh did make the melee wizard pick up a level of ranger to use it as my group has no melee classes.Seannoss2015-07-22T16:07:10ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Misroihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#182015-07-22T15:14:27Z2015-07-22T15:14:27Z<p>True, but some people like to play against stereotype. I made a paladin for Skull & Shackles, for example.</p>True, but some people like to play against stereotype. I made a paladin for Skull & Shackles, for example.Misroi2015-07-22T15:14:27ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Balginhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#172016-11-09T20:46:05Z2015-07-22T12:45:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Okay, it looks like a spoiler tag was added to the title. Thank you to whomever did that! Now, back to the question in the OP:</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>What do you mean <i>if</i> there's multiple dwarf pc's? It's the Giantslayer adventure path. If the players know what's good for them they'll all be wanting to play dwarfs and gnomes in this one.
<p>:D</p>Archpaladin Zousha wrote:Okay, it looks like a spoiler tag was added to the title. Thank you to whomever did that! Now, back to the question in the OP:
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What do you mean if there's multiple dwarf pc's? It's the Giantslayer adventure path. If the players know what's good for them they'll all be wanting to play dwarfs and gnomes in this one. :DBalgin2015-07-22T12:45:37ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Robert G. McCrearyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#162015-07-21T22:56:10Z2015-07-21T20:28:02Z<p>Two things to point out regarding these 3 artifacts:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Two things to point out regarding these 3 artifacts:
[Spoiler omitted]Robert G. McCreary2015-07-21T20:28:02ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!captain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#152016-11-09T20:45:00Z2015-07-21T19:55:16Z<p>Of course if you have an all Dwarf party then you run into the problem of not enough War Hammers:-)</p>Of course if you have an all Dwarf party then you run into the problem of not enough War Hammers:-)captain yesterday2015-07-21T19:55:16ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Tangent101https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#142015-07-21T18:28:38Z2015-07-21T18:28:38Z<p>I'm sorry, but if I'm a leader of Giants and have found out through various means about X character with his Giant-killing Artifacts, I'm going to tell my minions "gang-pile the artifact wielder. We kill him/her, the others will fall easily."</p>
<p>In short, the artifact wielder should become the primary target and be subject to death after death after death. And after seeing that character die five or so times? Most other people will go "sure! Give him the big-ass hammer! I don't want to die like he/she has!"</p>I'm sorry, but if I'm a leader of Giants and have found out through various means about X character with his Giant-killing Artifacts, I'm going to tell my minions "gang-pile the artifact wielder. We kill him/her, the others will fall easily."
In short, the artifact wielder should become the primary target and be subject to death after death after death. And after seeing that character die five or so times? Most other people will go "sure! Give him the big-ass hammer! I don't want to die like...Tangent1012015-07-21T18:28:38ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Archpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#132015-07-21T18:08:26Z2015-07-21T18:08:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Seannoss wrote:</div><blockquote> I think the OPs observation or complaint is that all the artifacts would be best for one PC, not one type of PC. As in one PC has 2 artifacts and the rest of the group has none. </blockquote><p>Yes, that's correct. To wit:
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Seannoss wrote:I think the OPs observation or complaint is that all the artifacts would be best for one PC, not one type of PC. As in one PC has 2 artifacts and the rest of the group has none.
Yes, that's correct. To wit: [Spoiler omitted]Archpaladin Zousha2015-07-21T18:08:26ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!shadowkrashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#122015-07-21T17:45:33Z2015-07-21T17:45:33Z<p>To be fair, none of them <b>should</b> have an artifact.
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They are part of the epic elements of the campaign.</p>To be fair, none of them should have an artifact.
They are part of the epic elements of the campaign.shadowkras2015-07-21T17:45:33ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Seannosshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#112015-07-21T16:47:35Z2015-07-21T16:47:35Z<p>I think the OPs observation or complaint is that all the artifacts would be best for one PC, not one type of PC. As in one PC has 2 artifacts and the rest of the group has none.</p>I think the OPs observation or complaint is that all the artifacts would be best for one PC, not one type of PC. As in one PC has 2 artifacts and the rest of the group has none.Seannoss2015-07-21T16:47:35ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!shadowkrashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#102019-04-06T04:34:12Z2015-07-21T16:02:27Z<p>Well, the enemies are giants, it makes a LOT of sense that their artifacts are hammers and similar weapons.</p>
<p>I would find it really weird if a stone giant dropped an artifact dagger.
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But yes, you can replace the item type, you could even say that the artifact forge can imbue a newly forged weapon with one of artifacts properties.</p>Well, the enemies are giants, it makes a LOT of sense that their artifacts are hammers and similar weapons.
I would find it really weird if a stone giant dropped an artifact dagger.
But yes, you can replace the item type, you could even say that the artifact forge can imbue a newly forged weapon with one of artifacts properties.shadowkras2015-07-21T16:02:27ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Misroihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#92015-07-21T15:48:34Z2015-07-21T15:48:34Z<p>I dunno, when you name the AP <i>Giantslayer</i>, the odds of someone choosing to play a dwarven martial of some flavor begins to approach 100%, so a preponderance of warhammers doesn't seem like a bad thing. Still, RuyanVe's right. If you're outside the norm, change the loot. Or don't. Up to you.</p>I dunno, when you name the AP Giantslayer, the odds of someone choosing to play a dwarven martial of some flavor begins to approach 100%, so a preponderance of warhammers doesn't seem like a bad thing. Still, RuyanVe's right. If you're outside the norm, change the loot. Or don't. Up to you.Misroi2015-07-21T15:48:34ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!RuyanVehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#82015-07-21T09:46:12Z2015-07-21T09:46:12Z<p>I don't know this AP but why don't you just [Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Ruyan.</p>I don't know this AP but why don't you just [Spoiler omitted]
Ruyan.RuyanVe2015-07-21T09:46:12ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Archpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#72015-07-21T04:57:15Z2015-07-21T04:57:15Z<p>Okay, it looks like a spoiler tag was added to the title. Thank you to whomever did that! Now, back to the question in the OP:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Okay, it looks like a spoiler tag was added to the title. Thank you to whomever did that! Now, back to the question in the OP:
[Spoiler omitted]Archpaladin Zousha2015-07-21T04:57:15ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Archpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#62015-07-20T23:12:50Z2015-07-20T23:12:50Z<p>That's okay, spoilers evoke visceral reactions. I should have remembered that. The frowny face is more me being ashamed of myself than being hurt by the chastisement (which I fully deserved). No harm done!</p>That's okay, spoilers evoke visceral reactions. I should have remembered that. The frowny face is more me being ashamed of myself than being hurt by the chastisement (which I fully deserved). No harm done!Archpaladin Zousha2015-07-20T23:12:50ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!captain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#52015-07-20T23:07:55Z2015-07-20T23:07:55Z<p>It's all good, sorry it came out so strong, I should've said that nicer:-\</p>It's all good, sorry it came out so strong, I should've said that nicer:-\captain yesterday2015-07-20T23:07:55ZRe: Forums: Giantslayer: [Spoilers] Artifact Aggravation!Archpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2si7a?Spoilers-Artifact-Aggravation#42015-07-20T23:02:13Z2015-07-20T23:02:13Z<p>I flagged it properly now. Thanks for reminding me. Sorry I forgot that :(</p>I flagged it properly now. Thanks for reminding me. Sorry I forgot that :(Archpaladin Zousha2015-07-20T23:02:13Z