# of uses for Elemental Fist.


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I'm confused over how many times I can use Elemental Fist per day.

Benefit: When you use Elemental Strike pick one of the following energy types: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. On a successful hit, the attack deals damage normally plus 1d6 points of damage of the chosen type. You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You may attempt an Elemental Fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.

Special: A monk of the four winds receives Elemental Fist as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. A monk may attempt an Elemental Fist attack a number of times per day equal to his monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels he has in classes other than monk.

The two confusing passages I've marked in bold. I can't tell if it means non-monks get Lvl/4 uses and Monk get Lvl uses OR if it's saying Mo4W gets Lvl uses all others get Lvl/4


Mo4W gets Lvl, others get Lvl/4

Dragon Ferocity treats you as a Mo4W


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My Self wrote:

Mo4W gets Lvl, others get Lvl/4

Dragon Ferocity treats you as a Mo4W

I've seen the interpretation where Mo4W only increases damage, while all monks get the # of uses per level day.

Scarab Sages

All Monks gain Elemental Fist per level. Mo4W only increases the damage.


There's a period for a reason, Monk of Four Winds gets it. Period. Monks (in general) get uses per day equal to their monk level, much like stunning fist.


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Eruvanna wrote:
I can't tell if it means non-monks get Lvl/4 uses and Monk get Lvl uses OR if it's saying Mo4W gets Lvl uses all others get Lvl/4

Reading feats can sometimes be a little confusing because they're not really proper paragraphs with topic sentences and such. I like to think of them as bulleted lists of rules:

Advanced Player's Guide, pg. 158 wrote:

Elemental Fist (Combat)

You empower your strike with elemental energy

Prerequisites

  • Con 13, Wis 13, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +8.

  • Benefit
  • When you use Elemental Strike pick one of the following energy types: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. On a successful hit, the attack deals damage normally plus 1d6 points of damage of the chosen type.
  • You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt).
  • You may attempt an elemental fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.

  • Special
  • A monk of the four winds receives Elemental Fist as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. (supersedes the prerequisites)
  • A monk may attempt an Elemental Fist attack a number of times per day equal to his monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels he has in classes other than monk. (supersedes first clause of the third bullet above)
  • With the rules broken down, it's easier to see how they work together and which rules the Special clause supersedes. Essentially, it looks like this:

    Class other than monk: You can perform an elemental fist once per day for every four levels you have attained. So, an 8th level barbarian can use it twice per day.

    Monk (any): You're special so you get to attempt Elemental Fist a number of times equal to your monk level. You're a monk 10? Well, you can attempt it 10 times per day.

    Multi-classed monk (any): You just had to multi-class didn't you? Well, you still get a number of attempts equal to your monk level. However, for your other class you only get one per four levels. So, a monk 10/barbarian 4 gets 11 attempts per day.

    Monk of the four winds: You're extra special and get the feat at first level without even trying. Of course, you're still a monk. So, like any other monk with this feat you can attempt Elemental Fist a number of times per day equal to your monk level. A MO4W still gets 10 attempts at 10th level.

    Hope that helps!

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