Question about Gang up (Combat) Feat.


Rules Questions


If you are mounted and both you and your mount threaten a target, would you trigger the effect of the Gang up Combat feat? I feel like the answer is yes based on the Faq link bellow but i wanted other opinions.

Gang Up:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/gang-up-combat

"Benefit: You are considered to be flanking an opponent if at least two of your allies are threatening that opponent, regardless of your actual positioning."

Possibly Relevant FAQ:
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9nda

"You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

Liberty's Edge

There have been quite a few threads on this, like this one.

I am on the side of No. It says 'two of your allies', referring to two other people.

Now, if you were mounted on a horse AND had a monkey on your shoulder who has the Gang Up feat...well, he could flank then... :)


Just take Pack Flanking, if you're a Hunter or Sacred Huntmaster.

Silver Crusade

Pack flanking is not a combat feat :/

I'm sure it should be, but it isn't (pending ACG errata). So you currently need Combat Expertise and Int 13 as prerequisites.


supervillan wrote:

Pack flanking is not a combat feat :/

I'm sure it should be, but it isn't (pending ACG errata). So you currently need Combat Expertise and Int 13 as prerequisites.

Uh, Gang Up has identical pre-requisites...?


mplindustries wrote:
supervillan wrote:

Pack flanking is not a combat feat :/

I'm sure it should be, but it isn't (pending ACG errata). So you currently need Combat Expertise and Int 13 as prerequisites.

Uh, Gang Up has identical pre-requisites...?

The big thing with Gang up is it is a combat feat, This means 2 things in my case at least being that i am aiming for a build using Brawler.

Unlike Pack Flanking, Gang ups prereq of 13int is covered by The level 1 class ability "Brawlers Cunning" and if need be it can also be used With Martial flexibility to gain access to the feat whenever i want if i don't have it permanently yet.

Pack Flanking is not combat feat and thus does not work well with Brawler as it requires me to adjust my point buy to allot for a 13 int. I Feel its a bit weird pack flanking is not a Combat feat considering its prereq is and a lot of other flanking effecting feats are combat Feats (example Flanking foil, Outflank). I was mainly looking to see if gang up was a possible substitute due to its interesting wording.

Grand Lodge

supervillan wrote:

Pack flanking is not a combat feat :/

I'm sure it should be, but it isn't (pending ACG errata). So you currently need Combat Expertise and Int 13 as prerequisites.

This is the very first thing I'm faq'ing (errata-requesting) when the errata gets released if this hasn't been addressed. I've got a character that's sitting in limbo waiting for this to be addressed because I was given some bad advice in the planning stages and didn't realize it until it was too late.

Silver Crusade

Likewise I am wanting to play a melee Hunter but I want to see Pack Flanking fixed before I build the character.

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