Are Rods Weapons?


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there described as sceptres but I was thinking, scriptures are pretty similar to clubs/maces. can you use a rod as a weapon or would it need to be a special rod that can be used as a weapon. would it be an improvised weapon.

I just think it be cool to use a rod for its magical properties and as a club.

Sczarni

Some are weapons.

Others would be treated as Improvised weapons.


Many rods count as light or heavy maces.


okay guys, thanks. I was looking at the Rod of Balance and figured it be awesome if it could be used as a weapon. when activated it could be a quarterstaff, or when unactivated be a club. basically I figured it could be a cool weapon for a robin/nightwing like character lol.


Staff Magus is eventually good at this:

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Staff Weapon (Su): At 10th level, a staff magus treats any magical staff he is wielding as a magical quarterstaff with an enhancement bonus to attack and damage equal to the staff’s caster level divided by 4 (minimum +1). The staff must have at least 1 charge for the magus to use this ability. A staff magus can restore 1 charge to a staff by expending a number of points from his arcane pool equal to the level of the highest-level spell cast in the staff, as long as at least one spell in the staff is on the magus spell list. The magus cannot restore charges to more than one staff per day. This ability replaces fighter training.


Melkiador wrote:

Staff Magus is eventually good at this:

Quote:
Staff Weapon (Su): At 10th level, a staff magus treats any magical staff he is wielding as a magical quarterstaff with an enhancement bonus to attack and damage equal to the staff’s caster level divided by 4 (minimum +1). The staff must have at least 1 charge for the magus to use this ability. A staff magus can restore 1 charge to a staff by expending a number of points from his arcane pool equal to the level of the highest-level spell cast in the staff, as long as at least one spell in the staff is on the magus spell list. The magus cannot restore charges to more than one staff per day. This ability replaces fighter training.

Is a Rod a Staff?


Ah. Nope. I was mistaken


Leonhart Steelmane wrote:
Is a Rod a Staff?

Um...no

Rod: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rods
Staff: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/staves


Melkiador wrote:

Ah. Nope. I was mistaken

ah lol, fair does.


Quarterstaff of Vaulting ?

That may be a bit Acrobat stylee from the 80's D&D cartoon though...

Actually, you want one of ***These***


I know a few feminists who would say "Absolutley!" followed by "And those things should be outlawed and removed at birth!!!".

Nobody really listens to them. I hope.

Oh, wait, that's not a euphemism?

In that case:

Pathfinder SRD, Magic Items, Rods wrote:
Physical Description: Rods weigh approximately 5 pounds. They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs because of their hardy construction.)

So check the description of the rod; if it's noted that it can be used as a weapon then it certainly can be, and if not, well, they're still "sturdy items made of iron or other metals that have AC 9, 10 hit points, hardness 10, and a break DC of 27" which still sounds like a weapon to me, but that's for you and your GM to decide if it's a mace, a club, an improvised weapon, or something else entirely.


Which is why the Rod of Balance (linked above) sounds like the kind of rod that extends into a 5' bo-staff that's needed


Doki-Chan wrote:
Which is why the Rod of Balance (linked above) sounds like the kind of rod that extends into a 5' bo-staff that's needed

thats the one I was mainly talking about but even when it extends its not a weapon unfortunatly.


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DM_Blake wrote:

I know a few feminists who would say "Absolutley!" followed by "And those things should be outlawed and removed at birth!!!".

Nobody really listens to them. I hope.

Oh, wait, that's not a euphemism?

In that case:

Pathfinder SRD, Magic Items, Rods wrote:
Physical Description: Rods weigh approximately 5 pounds. They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs because of their hardy construction.)

So check the description of the rod; if it's noted that it can be used as a weapon then it certainly can be, and if not, well, they're still "sturdy items made of iron or other metals that have AC 9, 10 hit points, hardness 10, and a break DC of 27" which still sounds like a weapon to me, but that's for you and your GM to decide if it's a mace, a club, an improvised weapon, or something else entirely.

do you mind not using my thread about pathfinder rulings to rag on feminists.


Leonhart Steelmane wrote:
DM_Blake wrote:

I know a few feminists who would say "Absolutley!" followed by "And those things should be outlawed and removed at birth!!!".

Nobody really listens to them. I hope.

Oh, wait, that's not a euphemism?

In that case:

Pathfinder SRD, Magic Items, Rods wrote:
Physical Description: Rods weigh approximately 5 pounds. They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs because of their hardy construction.)

So check the description of the rod; if it's noted that it can be used as a weapon then it certainly can be, and if not, well, they're still "sturdy items made of iron or other metals that have AC 9, 10 hit points, hardness 10, and a break DC of 27" which still sounds like a weapon to me, but that's for you and your GM to decide if it's a mace, a club, an improvised weapon, or something else entirely.

do you mind not using my thread about pathfinder rulings to rag on feminists.

Excellent word choice. They would definitely not approve, but I totally love your sense of humor! LOL. Well played!


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Seriously, quit it. It adds nothing to this thread, not even humor.

Many rods can be used as improvised weapons, which can be useful for providing flanking and such.


If I can swing it and hit something with it, it's a weapon.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
If I can swing it and hit something with it, it's a weapon.

True, but sometimes that object is an improvised weapon and you need to have taken a feat to be any good at hurting someone with it. I believe that is the question here.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
If I can swing it and hit something with it, it's a weapon.

I'd hit that!

(At the risk of setting up a "That's what she said" joke, Yes, it adds a LOT to this thread - mainly because the thread is already answered, so now there's nothing left but silly time...)

Sczarni

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How old are you? Like, 9?


Leonhart Steelmane wrote:
okay guys, thanks. I was looking at the Rod of Balance and figured it be awesome if it could be used as a weapon. when activated it could be a quarterstaff, or when unactivated be a club. basically I figured it could be a cool weapon for a robin/nightwing like character lol.

I can't find a way to accomplish this with a rod. A quarterstaff with the shrinking property might work for your nightwing-ish character, though. In shrunken form I would imagine it would look like a small baton.


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Don't forget the Rod of Lordly Might. That thing has been around for ages.


I'd just treat 'em like clubs.

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