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I believe this one will be officially a 1-2 just like all the other evergreens.
Ehhh... Just let it be with the other two evergreen scenarios that will never become a tier 1-2. At least those two scenarios emphatically state level 1 only and have completely different chronicle sheets for reasons.
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Well, I'd just come to the conclusion that this was still an open question, but language in the new Guide actually clears it up. As an evergreen, whether Tier 1 or 1-2, it can be played/run once for 2nd level.
All Tier 1 and 1-2 adventures can be replayed an unlimited number of times with a 1st-level character for credit. The Tier 1 and 1–2 adventures can also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each campaign mode (Core and Standard Modes). GMs receive another Chronicle sheet each time they run one of the Tier 1 and Tier 1-2 adventures, but can only apply a Chronicle sheet to one 2nd-level character per adventure per campaign mode.
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It never ceases to baffle me as to why anyone would want to run level 2 characters through this thing. It's an mild challenge at best for 4 1st level characters (although there's one encounter that can be a bit tough...'nuf said on that).
It was written for 4 1st level characters and the chronicle sheet only delineates Tier 1. I'm not sure it could be any clearer.
Forcing the allowance of 2nd level characters to play this module is ridiculous.
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It never ceases to baffle me as to why anyone would want to run level 2 characters through this thing. It's an mild challenge at best for 4 1st level characters (although there's one encounter that can be a bit tough...'nuf said on that).
It was written for 4 1st level characters and the chronicle sheet only delineates Tier 1. I'm not sure it could be any clearer.
Forcing the allowance of 2nd level characters to play this module is ridiculous.
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Well, I'd just come to the conclusion that this was still an open question, but language in the new Guide actually clears it up. As an evergreen, whether Tier 1 or 1-2, it can be played/run once for 2nd level.
All Tier 1 and 1-2 adventures can be replayed an unlimited number of times with a 1st-level character for credit. The Tier 1 and 1–2 adventures can also be played with a 2nd-level character once for credit in each campaign mode (Core and Standard Modes). GMs receive another Chronicle sheet each time they run one of the Tier 1 and Tier 1-2 adventures, but can only apply a Chronicle sheet to one 2nd-level character per adventure per campaign mode.
So glad this is finally resolved.
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I just want this to have a seconday success condition so players can get 2 PP :) Suggestions include "Don't knock down the building" and "Save the Pathfinder."
I'd like that too. Even if it's something as specific as "only on Free Games Day" like others have had, that's fine. Limiting, but it gives you another option.
I know that people who've ran this multiple times can do the whole thing in about 30-60 minutes, but when we first did it, it was six hours. Everyone felt rather depressed/defeated that two characters had died and all they got was 1 PP because it's a "short" module.
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It's stories like kevin_video's that make me wonder at people who call it a cakewalk. It's six (I think) combats, plus possible falling damage. There's not a ton of healing provided in the module, from what I remember. Playing it with a party (especially a 4-player party) of brand new characters, without a wand or a Cleric among them, can be difficult.
Mainly, though, wanting a level 2 character to play has very little to do with the difficulty of the scenario (to me, anyway). It's more about flexibility in scheduling a game and consistency of rules.
Having an extra game you can play with a level 2 character means someone who shows up without a new character built, and who doesn't want to play a pregen, can still participate (once, like any other scenario/module).
Having a consistent rule means all Evergreens work the same, instead of all of the confusion that existed before.
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Out of curiosity, is a GM allowed to make the table Tier 1 only, or do they have to accept Level 2 characters?
I would think that would be something that would fall to the event organizer. For example, I don't think there's anything wrong with an event organizer saying a table will be high tier only or whatever, so I don't think there's an issue saying level 1s only for this. If you're a GM at an event and you want a level 1 only table, I'd just make sure you and your event organizer are on the same page, so they don't try to move a level 2 to your table.
If you are the event organizer, or it's a single game online or something, go for it. I'd just make sure to make that clear when you advertise the game.
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Having a consistent rule means all Evergreens work the same, instead of all of the confusion that existed before.
Many believed we had a consistent rule already: that you could only play an in-tier character.
It was simple, immediately visible, and easy to understand.
The only positive to this decision is that it's in writing.
Guess I'll start organizing a bunch of these to level my 2s to 3s.
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Guess I'll start organizing a bunch of these to level my 2s to 3s.How are you going to apply this to "a bunch" if it is applied to only one PC per campaign?
I count 8 potential PCs:
GM and play MotFF in Standard.
GM and play First Steps in Standard.
GM and play MotFF in CORE.
GM and play First Steps in CORE.
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You could just as easily say, "I'm organizing a bunch of Thornkeep #1s to level my 2s to 3s".
That was already done a very long time ago.
Lots of people in my area have Thornkeep as their first session ^_^
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As for subtiers - We often post games as being a particular subtier, and encourage players to adhere to that. Sometimes it's at the request of players to play certain characters; other times it's to ensure there is a subtier 1-2 game running during a particular slot. We try to avoid out-of-tier PCs like the plague - while it's legal, a level 1 in a 4-5 or a level 5 in a 1-2 changes things too much.
At cons, we take what we are given, though, and mixed tier is much more common. It's a matter of whether game experience can be placed above "gotta play in this slot" or not.
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Hey Lamplighter, you got your fifth star! Congrats!Thanks, Majuba - yeah, my rates went way down when kid #2 was born.
I thimk we hit four about the same time, I remember Identifying with you a bit :). Just four specials from mine now, 3+ years later. [/off-topic]
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I'm a strong advocate of playing Evergreen material until you can't.
It prolongs your PFS experience.
Many older players I know wasted time playing their level 1s through Tier 1-5 and 1-7 scenarios.
I always try to play the highest Tier possible, and while they've played through virtually every scenario, I still have many left to do.
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Many older players I know wasted time playing their level 1s through Tier 1-5 and 1-7 scenarios.
I'm one that can literally only play for credit Tier 1-5 scenarios that are released recently. I've played all Season 6 to Season 0 level 1-5 stuff. Sad times.
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I like to get "the whole story" when I play a scenario (or any adventure, really).
The best experiences, IMO, are when you make all the Knowledge Checks, discover all the secrets, encounter all the enemies, understand what's going on, and find all the stuffs.
That doesn't happen when you play low tier.
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