Crafting by RAW; how it can get silly.


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


This is specifically for craft: alchemy, and with use of the feats signature skill and master alchemist so you need to be at least level 7.

Lets say a Gnome with a +4 int mod and skill focus on craft alchemy, and all 7 levels he puts a point into said craft. Decides he wants to make some Dwarven Stout. The DC for this would be 15 (High quality item, and since alcohol is a drug it is an alchemical item) And he decides to accelerate the craft making the DC a nice 25. With a +21 on the check and a full alchemists lab the Gnome decides to take 10, making his craft check a nice 33.

This is where it gets silly.

With the first tier of Signature skill; Craft the skill-check is doubled before being multiplied by the DC. Making it a whopping 66, meaning this gnomes weekly progress is 1650. and with master alchemist any alchemical items you make are progressed by their gold values instead of their silver values.

Dwarven Stout is 1/2 a pound, meaning two servings (8cp) is a pint. You can fit 600 pints in a regular barrel (75 gallons). Translated; Dwarven Stout is worth 3gp a barrel.

Using the crafting rules by RAW and doing a single days worth of progress; you can make more then 78 barrels of Dwarven Stout in a 8 hour period. That is 5850 gallons of tasty dwarven tradition in a 8 hour period, or 731.25 gallons a hour, or 12.1875 gallons a minute.

It's not glamorous, and it's not gonna slay any dragons (unless you plan to molotov it to death) But by the entire pantheon you and every village, town, hamlet, city, and random encounter within a 600 mile radius of you will be so hammered they can't do a thing for a week.


That Gnome is a naturally skilled character who has more experience(ranks) in the relevant skill than any real person alive by a significant margin. They have also through their years of research discovered magic/pseudo magic ways of massively speeding up their creation of products, and they have spent their entire life devoted to being the best damn brewer there ever was.

They have something to show for it?

Good.

Grand Lodge

Do you not need all the materials to craft that much stout though? How much would all that cost?


Raltus wrote:
Do you not need all the materials to craft that much stout though? How much would all that cost?

It costs 1/3rd of the items total cost in raw materials to craft it. so in this case 1gp a barrel


DeusTerran wrote:


Using the crafting rules by RAW and doing a single days worth of progress; you can make more then 78 barrels of Dwarven Stout in a 8 hour period. That is 5850 gallons of tasty dwarven tradition in a 8 hour period, or 731.25 gallons a hour, or 12.1875 gallons a minute.

Shrug. The Coors brewery in Golden, Colorado, makes something like a million gallons of beer per day, and doesn't have magical or pseudomagical abilities to aid it. I think they make something like forty million barrels of Budweiser a year, although they do that at multiple sites.

Remember that you need both materials and equipment to craft. so our hypothetical master brewer still needs vats that will hold 78 barrels worth of wort and is not going to be doing this in the back of a wagon using a household pump.


Orfamay Quest wrote:


Shrug. The Coors brewery in Golden, Colorado, makes something like a million gallons of beer per day, and doesn't have magical or pseudomagical abilities to aid it. I think they make something like forty million barrels of Budweiser a year, although they do that at multiple sites.

Remember that you need both materials and equipment to craft. so our hypothetical master brewer still needs vats that will hold 78 barrels worth of wort and is not going to be doing this in the back of a wagon using a household pump.

That is a massive facility with hundreds of thousands of workers, this is one person. If we go by the math of 40mill barrels a year coors puts out 109589 barrels a day. That's about 1405 times more then the gnome, but again, facility vs one person

as for crafting constraints 1/3rd the price in materials and an alchemy lab is all you need to make it, with a big enough wagon to hold all the barrels this gnome technically could do it in the back of a wagon.


DeusTerran wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:


Shrug. The Coors brewery in Golden, Colorado, makes something like a million gallons of beer per day, and doesn't have magical or pseudomagical abilities to aid it. I think they make something like forty million barrels of Budweiser a year, although they do that at multiple sites.

Remember that you need both materials and equipment to craft. so our hypothetical master brewer still needs vats that will hold 78 barrels worth of wort and is not going to be doing this in the back of a wagon using a household pump.

That is a massive facility with hundreds of thousands of workers, this is one person. If we go by the math of 40mill barrels a year coors puts out 109589 barrels a day. That's about 1405 times more then the gnome, but again, facility vs one person

Goodness, no. The entire population of Golden, Colorado is only 20,000 people; fewer than 1000 people actually work at the brewery, if I recall correctly. The Coors brewers are actually about as productive on a per capita basis as the gnome, and that's including the various management drones whose only contact with the actual beer is in a glass.


DeusTerran wrote:

as for crafting constraints 1/3rd the price in materials and an alchemy lab is all you need to make it, with a big enough wagon to hold all the barrels this gnome technically could do it in the back of a wagon.

That's a quite impressive wagon if it will hold 250,000 pounds of beer.


Orfamay Quest wrote:
DeusTerran wrote:

as for crafting constraints 1/3rd the price in materials and an alchemy lab is all you need to make it, with a big enough wagon to hold all the barrels this gnome technically could do it in the back of a wagon.

That's a quite impressive wagon if it will hold 250,000 pounds of beer.

Just push the wagon around as the gnome crafts. The population of the gnome's resident country can leave beer kegs outside their houses to be refilled.


Snowblind wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
DeusTerran wrote:

as for crafting constraints 1/3rd the price in materials and an alchemy lab is all you need to make it, with a big enough wagon to hold all the barrels this gnome technically could do it in the back of a wagon.

That's a quite impressive wagon if it will hold 250,000 pounds of beer.
Just push the wagon around as the gnome crafts. The population of the gnome's resident country can leave beer kegs outside their houses to be refilled.

So instead f leaving jugs out for the milkman you leave barrels out for the beerman?


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Snowblind wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
DeusTerran wrote:

as for crafting constraints 1/3rd the price in materials and an alchemy lab is all you need to make it, with a big enough wagon to hold all the barrels this gnome technically could do it in the back of a wagon.

That's a quite impressive wagon if it will hold 250,000 pounds of beer.
Just push the wagon around as the gnome crafts. The population of the gnome's resident country can leave beer kegs outside their houses to be refilled.
So instead f leaving jugs out for the milkman you leave barrels out for the beerman?

Sounds more like a plot for how the gnomes keep nearby dwarven lands placated. Every night their freshly discarded barrels turn up refilled upon their doorstep, and thoughts of war are discarded once again for a day of heavy drinking.


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That's nothing.

If you dip a cup into raw sewage you can make Budweiser instantly.

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