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I played the above using my Tengu Vigilante (Avenger Specialization) named Drake Mallard. So far, I'm loving the class. Most of the time the party didn't even know I was there. I passed my civilian identity off as a scholar who was recording the exploits of Pathfinders to be put within the Chronicles, but as soon as trouble started I Stealthed my way out and in-character the group thought I chickened out (excuse the pun). I shadowed them for a while until they got into combat, then I popped a smoke bomb and revealed myself in a dramatic manner as befitting a masked avenger of the night. Combat-wise, I like the Avenger's "Assault Training" class ability, as it essentially lets me have a Dex-based character (which is my favorite to play) while still getting the effect of a full BAB. I cannot wait to get a few levels on this guy and test out some of the Vigilante Talents, but even if I never become great at combat the role-play and theatrics of this class are exactly the kind of thing I've been wanting in Pathfinder.
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Why exactly can you not have the same theatrics as a Slayer?
Those aren't part of the Vigilante class, just because you were inspired to play a certain way, doesn't mean the option never existed in the first place. (And with any other class you don't need 50 rounds to be useful, or worry about getting caught in NPC mode)
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Why exactly can you not have the same theatrics as a Slayer?
Those aren't part of the Vigilante class, just because you were inspired to play a certain way, doesn't mean the option never existed in the first place. (And with any other class you don't need 50 rounds to be useful, or worry about getting caught in NPC mode)
I've said in another (now-locked) thread that there' no REAL reason right now to play a Vigilante; the Social Persona has no real abilities unique to itself, and all 4 Specializations are just weak knock-offs of other classes, rather than unique things.
Master Spy hides alignment extremely well, hides thoughts, etc.
Lv5 Rogues can put on a Disguise in 1-3 Minutes.
Rogues with 10 Ranks in Disguise can do it in 1-3 ROUNDS.
A lv6 Rogue with Major Magic (Disguise Person) can do it as a Standard Action 3/day for 30 Minutes at a time.
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A lv7 Rogue / Lv4 Master Spy has the same BAB as a lv11 Stalker Vigilante, can adopt a disguise faster than a Stalker Vigilante, has better Talents than a Stalker Vigilante, gets Dex to Damage which the Stalker Vigilante doesn't, gets a much-better Sneak Attack than a Stalker Vigilante does with the same number of damage dice, gets a bonus against Truth-detecting Magic, can mask its Alignment, can hide the magical aura of a Magic Item, can make Untrained Knowledge and Profession Checks; and depending on whether it goes the Major Magic route or the Rogue's Edge route, the Master Spy can either take Vanish (if it chooses Disguise Rogue's Edge), or choose any other Rogue's Edge (if it chooses Major Magic (Disguise Self)).
Yeah, I really fail see ANY reason to play a Stalker Vigilante over a Rogue/Master Spy, or even just a straight Rogue. And this is a VANILLA Rogue - this isn't even adding in Archetypes to the equation.
I have a very sneaking suspicion that this is also the case for taking either a Stalker/Master Spy or a Mysterious Avenger Swashbuckler/Master Spy in place of an Avenger Vigilante.
Magus/Master Spy and Inquisitor/Master Spy may or may not be worse than the Warlock & Zealot Vigilante, simply because they lose several levels of spellcasting; that being said, it might just be better to play a straight Magus or straight Inquisitor.
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If the Avenger and Stalker were combined, and the Social Persona were actually given plenty of useful tricks based on things like espionage, I could totally see playing the Vigilante over a Rogue/Master Spy or a Slayer/Master Spy.
I played the above using my Tengu Vigilante (Avenger Specialization) named Drake Mallard.
This is admirably silly. Bravo, Sir!
I played the above using my Tengu Vigilante (Avenger Specialization) named Drake Mallard. So far, I'm loving the class. Most of the time the party didn't even know I was there. I passed my civilian identity off as a scholar who was recording the exploits of Pathfinders to be put within the Chronicles, but as soon as trouble started I Stealthed my way out and in-character the group thought I chickened out (excuse the pun). I shadowed them for a while until they got into combat, then I popped a smoke bomb and revealed myself in a dramatic manner as befitting a masked avenger of the night. Combat-wise, I like the Avenger's "Assault Training" class ability, as it essentially lets me have a Dex-based character (which is my favorite to play) while still getting the effect of a full BAB. I cannot wait to get a few levels on this guy and test out some of the Vigilante Talents, but even if I never become great at combat the role-play and theatrics of this class are exactly the kind of thing I've been wanting in Pathfinder.
I see what you did there.
'I am the terror that flaps in the night!'
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I played the above using my Tengu Vigilante (Avenger Specialization) named Drake Mallard. So far, I'm loving the class. Most of the time the party didn't even know I was there. I passed my civilian identity off as a scholar who was recording the exploits of Pathfinders to be put within the Chronicles, but as soon as trouble started I Stealthed my way out and in-character the group thought I chickened out (excuse the pun). I shadowed them for a while until they got into combat, then I popped a smoke bomb and revealed myself in a dramatic manner as befitting a masked avenger of the night. Combat-wise, I like the Avenger's "Assault Training" class ability, as it essentially lets me have a Dex-based character (which is my favorite to play) while still getting the effect of a full BAB. I cannot wait to get a few levels on this guy and test out some of the Vigilante Talents, but even if I never become great at combat the role-play and theatrics of this class are exactly the kind of thing I've been wanting in Pathfinder.I see what you did there.
'I am the terror that flaps in the night!'
" I am the batteries that are not included."
Nope. Still no support capabilities. "I am the thing without batteries included" works however." I am the batteries that are not included."
Some assembly required?
Some assembly required?Nope. Still no support capabilities. "I am the thing without batteries included" works however." I am the batteries that are not included."
Early LINUX versions required less assembly...
Early LINUX versions required less assembly...Some assembly required?Nope. Still no support capabilities. "I am the thing without batteries included" works however." I am the batteries that are not included."
We could just go back to (the) Basic(s)
Fortran and Country!
I'll give that one a grade of C++
WHATCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER, WHEN THESE 24INCH PYTHONS COME FOR YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU????Fortran and Country!I'll give that one a grade of C++
No need to Hulk out, I'll just slip into my social guise and have another cop of Java