Is the Vigilante better off as multiple archetypes for other classes?


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The more I have looked at it, the more this class really seems like a mashup of archetypes from other classes. Splitting it apart actually works really well.

Vigilante Stalker - Rogue archetype for Unchained rogue. This one especially, it trades out features almost level by level, and not one of its talents shouldn't already be a rogue talent. One of the Vigilante Stalker talents IS rogue talents. It even gets Hide in Plain Sight, an ability that Paizo has consistently denied rogues in any useful fashion. Given in whole for a single talent. As abilities, it has many that I want on a rogue, but gains nothing meaningfully unique (except a good will save, LoL again Unchained rogue is already being surpassed).

Avenger Vigilante - Ranger Archetype. Same base skill points, Full BAB, saves change a little (good fort instead of will).
Level 1 - Trade out favored enemy and animal empathy for dual ID and social grace. Let them keep track, it fits the flavor just fine.
Level 2 - Talents for combat style. One of the talents is combat feats, so it would change progression little.
Level 3-Renown for Endurance. In its current form it has little enough impact that it is easily equivalent. Keep the favored terrain, it suits the class well enough, maybe make the first one required urban ( and then let the bonus from favored terrain apply on the environment weapon in some way).
Level 4 - Replace Hunter's Bond for a talent.
Level 5 - Favored enemy replacement Startling Appearance
Level 7 - Loyal Aid replaces Woodland Stride

I will post the others tomorrow. I lost track of time going through these. But it seems pretty clear that the class lacks focus. It tries to have too many options compared to the other classes, and seems like it should be split up into archetypes of those classes.

To me it feels like it is built a lot more like a 5th edition class than a 3.5/PF class. Which is not a bad system, but I feel it doesn't fit well on its own alongside the others.


The Vigilante is better off as a small feat chain.

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