Intimidate and the Vigilante


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Liberty's Edge

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It seems odd that, given all the bonuses to Intimidate this class gets, epecially when making sudden appearances, that only the Avenger actally gets Intimidate as a class skill.
I realise that each specialisation needs a different skill list to a certiain extent, and that class skuills aren't that big a deal, but it seems odd. I would have thought the Stalker at least should also get it.

Grand Lodge

The Zealot gets Intimidate as a class skill as well.

But I agree, it seems a pretty core concept for the class. It's a bit odd that Intimidate wasn't included in the core class skills.


True, but with all the different traits and various racial abilities out there, it's not hard at all to get Intimidate as a class skill.


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Adding my voice to the list of people who think Intimidate should be a default class skill.

Liberty's Edge

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Add me to that list as well.


Yeah, it seems like a rather integral part of the class.

Sovereign Court

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another vote

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Interesting... noted.

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Silver Crusade

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Not everyone is going to be playing for a GM who allows traits... this gets my vote as well.

Liberty's Edge

AGREED!

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Yeah, that really struck me. It's kind of like if the Ranger, whose class gets situational bonuses to survival, didn't have survival as a class skill.

Also seems weird that your "social" persona doesn't always get one of the social skills. What if your alter ego is the gruff butcher who doesn't care about other people's problems (and uses intimidate to deal with most social interaction), but by night, you become the kindhearted rogue who steals from the rich and gives to the poor?


Agreed, the first thing that comes to mind with the Vigilante class was Batman. And Batman is the master of intimidation. So why would the class based on the idea of being a caped crusader/superhero/actual vigilante NOT have Intimidate as a class skill, regardless of specialization?

Grand Lodge

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Depends on the Batman.


Yeah. I was quite surprised that the Stalker didn't have intimidate as a class skill. Kept rereading and checking to make sure I didn't somehow overlook it.


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I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea!

Liberty's Edge

Protoman wrote:
I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea!

Eh. I'm not sure it's needed for the Warlock or Zealot. Avenger should definitely have it, though.


When I looked through the skill list the first thing I thought was, "does the class have all the necesary social skills...wait, really? The class whose flavor role typically involves inspiring fear in the heart of evil does not have intimidate? That's just weird."

Put me down as another who thinks that intimidate should be a class skill.


For a Warlock who wanted to use Intimidate, I would probably get the Bruising Intellect trait to take advantage of the high INT score. Since the trait also make Intmidate a class skill, getting it as a feature of the class probably isn't as important for me as it would be for the other Vigilante types. But I know not everyone uses Traits.

Liberty's Edge

I agree with the OP. To have good use of Intimidate but be denied it as a class skill (i.e., making it a trait-tax) seems non-sensical to me.

Silver Crusade

Agreed that Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.


That was the first skill I thought of when I heard the description of the vigilante. It definitely should be on the class list.


I will add my two cents and agree. Intimidate should be a class skill.


Agreed. Given that they share class features that use it, Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.

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