paizo.com Recent Posts in Intimidate and the Vigilantepaizo.com Recent Posts in Intimidate and the Vigilante2015-06-19T21:04:44Z2015-06-19T21:04:44ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteBrellichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#232015-07-04T15:53:38Z2015-07-04T15:53:38Z<p>Agreed. Given that they share class features that use it, Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.</p>Agreed. Given that they share class features that use it, Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.Brellic2015-07-04T15:53:38ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteSilkinsanehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#222015-06-27T02:13:16Z2015-06-27T02:13:16Z<p>I will add my two cents and agree. Intimidate should be a class skill.</p>I will add my two cents and agree. Intimidate should be a class skill.Silkinsane2015-06-27T02:13:16ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteRelkyn Luenyrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#212015-06-26T18:17:28Z2015-06-26T18:17:28Z<p>That was the first skill I thought of when I heard the description of the vigilante. It definitely should be on the class list.</p>That was the first skill I thought of when I heard the description of the vigilante. It definitely should be on the class list.Relkyn Luenyr2015-06-26T18:17:28ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteJack Amyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#202015-06-21T17:06:39Z2015-06-21T17:06:39Z<p>Agreed that Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.</p>Agreed that Intimidate should be a class skill for all Vigilantes.Jack Amy2015-06-21T17:06:39ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteThe black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#192015-06-21T15:58:50Z2015-06-21T15:58:50Z<p>I agree with the OP. To have good use of Intimidate but be denied it as a class skill (i.e., making it a trait-tax) seems non-sensical to me.</p>I agree with the OP. To have good use of Intimidate but be denied it as a class skill (i.e., making it a trait-tax) seems non-sensical to me.The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2015-06-21T15:58:50ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#182015-06-20T19:02:36Z2015-06-20T19:02:36Z<p>For a Warlock who wanted to use Intimidate, I would probably get the Bruising Intellect trait to take advantage of the high INT score. Since the trait also make Intmidate a class skill, getting it as a feature of the class probably isn't as important for me as it would be for the other Vigilante types. But I know not everyone uses Traits.</p>For a Warlock who wanted to use Intimidate, I would probably get the Bruising Intellect trait to take advantage of the high INT score. Since the trait also make Intmidate a class skill, getting it as a feature of the class probably isn't as important for me as it would be for the other Vigilante types. But I know not everyone uses Traits.Gisher2015-06-20T19:02:36ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteSnowblindhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#172015-06-20T18:58:42Z2015-06-20T18:58:42Z<p>When I looked through the skill list the first thing I thought was, "does the class have all the necesary social skills...wait, really? The class whose flavor role typically involves inspiring fear in the heart of evil does <i>not</i> have intimidate? That's just weird."</p>
<p>Put me down as another who thinks that intimidate should be a class skill.</p>When I looked through the skill list the first thing I thought was, "does the class have all the necesary social skills...wait, really? The class whose flavor role typically involves inspiring fear in the heart of evil does not have intimidate? That's just weird."
Put me down as another who thinks that intimidate should be a class skill.Snowblind2015-06-20T18:58:42ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#162015-06-20T17:37:16Z2015-06-20T17:37:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Protoman wrote:</div><blockquote> I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea! </blockquote><p>Eh. I'm not sure it's needed for the Warlock or Zealot. Avenger should definitely have it, though.Protoman wrote:I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea!
Eh. I'm not sure it's needed for the Warlock or Zealot. Avenger should definitely have it, though.Deadmanwalking2015-06-20T17:37:16ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteProtomanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#152015-06-22T13:28:20Z2015-06-20T16:28:21Z<p>I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea!</p>I'd personally would like Acrobatics as a class skill for the base Vigilante. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop is like a standard for any vigilante idea!Protoman2015-06-20T16:28:21ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the Vigilante-Steve Johnston-https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#142015-06-20T16:18:24Z2015-06-20T16:18:24Z<p>Yeah. I was quite surprised that the Stalker didn't have intimidate as a class skill. Kept rereading and checking to make sure I didn't somehow overlook it.</p>Yeah. I was quite surprised that the Stalker didn't have intimidate as a class skill. Kept rereading and checking to make sure I didn't somehow overlook it.-Steve Johnston-2015-06-20T16:18:24ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the Vigilanteblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#132015-06-21T02:07:17Z2015-06-20T06:38:20Z<p>Depends on the Batman.</p>Depends on the Batman.blackbloodtroll2015-06-20T06:38:20ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteTheEverbloodFighterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#122015-06-20T06:01:10Z2015-06-20T06:01:10Z<p>Agreed, the first thing that comes to mind with the Vigilante class was Batman. And Batman is the master of intimidation. So why would the class based on the idea of being a caped crusader/superhero/actual vigilante <b><i>NOT</i></b> have Intimidate as a class skill, regardless of specialization?</p>Agreed, the first thing that comes to mind with the Vigilante class was Batman. And Batman is the master of intimidation. So why would the class based on the idea of being a caped crusader/superhero/actual vigilante NOT have Intimidate as a class skill, regardless of specialization?TheEverbloodFighter2015-06-20T06:01:10ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteBrew Birdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#112015-06-20T00:36:38Z2015-06-20T00:36:38Z<p>Yeah, that really struck me. It's kind of like if the Ranger, whose class gets situational bonuses to survival, didn't have survival as a class skill. </p>
<p>Also seems weird that your "social" persona doesn't always get one of the social skills. What if your alter ego is the gruff butcher who doesn't care about other people's problems (and uses intimidate to deal with most social interaction), but by night, you become the kindhearted rogue who steals from the rich and gives to the poor?</p>Yeah, that really struck me. It's kind of like if the Ranger, whose class gets situational bonuses to survival, didn't have survival as a class skill.
Also seems weird that your "social" persona doesn't always get one of the social skills. What if your alter ego is the gruff butcher who doesn't care about other people's problems (and uses intimidate to deal with most social interaction), but by night, you become the kindhearted rogue who steals from the rich and gives to the poor?Brew Bird2015-06-20T00:36:38ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilantePhillip Fathom (alias of DM_aka_Dudemeister)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#102015-06-20T00:21:20Z2015-06-20T00:21:20Z<p><b>AGREED!</b> </p>
<p><b><span class=messageboard-bigger>MY PARENTS DIED AT SEA!</span></b></p>AGREED!
MY PARENTS DIED AT SEA!Phillip Fathom (alias of DM_aka_Dudemeister)2015-06-20T00:21:20ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteTerminalmancerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#92015-06-19T23:15:29Z2015-06-19T23:15:29Z<p>Not everyone is going to be playing for a GM who allows traits... this gets my vote as well.</p>Not everyone is going to be playing for a GM who allows traits... this gets my vote as well.Terminalmancer2015-06-19T23:15:29ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteJason Bulmahn (Director of Game Design)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#82021-06-01T19:21:25Z2015-06-19T23:05:18Z<p>Interesting... noted.</p>
<p>Jason Bulmahn
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Lead Designer</p>Interesting... noted.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead DesignerJason Bulmahn (Director of Game Design)2015-06-19T23:05:18ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteMad Alchemisthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#72015-06-19T23:01:19Z2015-06-19T23:01:19Z<p>another vote</p>another voteMad Alchemist2015-06-19T23:01:19ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteVictor Ravenporthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#62015-06-19T22:50:22Z2015-06-19T22:50:22Z<p>Yeah, it seems like a rather integral part of the class.</p>Yeah, it seems like a rather integral part of the class.Victor Ravenport2015-06-19T22:50:22ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#52015-06-22T13:28:13Z2015-06-19T22:47:30Z<p>Add me to that list as well.</p>Add me to that list as well.Deadmanwalking2015-06-19T22:47:30ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteExtra Anchovieshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#42015-06-22T13:28:12Z2015-06-19T22:36:03Z<p>Adding my voice to the list of people who think Intimidate should be a default class skill.</p>Adding my voice to the list of people who think Intimidate should be a default class skill.Extra Anchovies2015-06-19T22:36:03ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteDekoTheBarbarianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#32015-06-19T22:32:09Z2015-06-19T22:32:09Z<p>True, but with all the different traits and various racial abilities out there, it's not hard at all to get Intimidate as a class skill.</p>True, but with all the different traits and various racial abilities out there, it's not hard at all to get Intimidate as a class skill.DekoTheBarbarian2015-06-19T22:32:09ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilanteEvilTwinSkippyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#22015-06-19T22:30:21Z2015-06-19T22:30:21Z<p>The Zealot gets Intimidate as a class skill as well. </p>
<p>But I agree, it seems a pretty core concept for the class. It's a bit odd that Intimidate wasn't included in the core class skills.</p>The Zealot gets Intimidate as a class skill as well.
But I agree, it seems a pretty core concept for the class. It's a bit odd that Intimidate wasn't included in the core class skills.EvilTwinSkippy2015-06-19T22:30:21ZForums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Intimidate and the VigilantePaul Watsonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdc9?Intimidate-and-the-Vigilante#12015-06-19T21:04:44Z2015-06-19T21:04:44Z<p>It seems odd that, given all the bonuses to Intimidate this class gets, epecially when making sudden appearances, that only the Avenger actally gets Intimidate as a class skill.
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I realise that each specialisation needs a different skill list to a certiain extent, and that class skuills aren't that big a deal, but it seems odd. I would have thought the Stalker at least should also get it.</p>It seems odd that, given all the bonuses to Intimidate this class gets, epecially when making sudden appearances, that only the Avenger actally gets Intimidate as a class skill.
I realise that each specialisation needs a different skill list to a certiain extent, and that class skuills aren't that big a deal, but it seems odd. I would have thought the Stalker at least should also get it.Paul Watson2015-06-19T21:04:44Z