Is there any way for a spell to critically hit for x3 or x4 damage?


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Shadow Lodge

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As far as I know, even with the Magus's spellstrike ability, no spell can crit for x3 or x4 damage (just x2). Is there any exception to this rule? I've searched and found nothing.


Not really.

You could argue for Improved Critical (Ray) being applicable, which would open up Mythic Improved Critical to make Rays 19-20/x3.

But that's all I know of.

Sovereign Court

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It's obviously hard to come by, but Mythic Improved Critical (ray) seems like the business. ^_^

EDIT: Too slow...

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

The 20th Level Fighter capstone would work, for "Ray", but you probably wouldn't have any Rays if you took 20 Levels in Fighter =\

Shadow Lodge

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Spellslinger with a single gun gets a x3 crit from level 1

Dark Archive

Christopher Van Horn wrote:
Spellslinger

Spellslinger =P


There's also the critical hit deck product which has some effects that can be drawn on any critical hits, even for magic. Some of the cards you can draw state that you deal double damage on your critical hit damage roll, which while not the same as a x3 roll, can equate to that. I'll look around for the product to see what the name of it is and I'll post it here later.

Here it is.


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Nefreet wrote:
The 20th Level Fighter capstone would work, for "Ray", but you probably wouldn't have any Rays if you took 20 Levels in Fighter =\

Just be a level 20 Gestalt Fighter Wizard/Sorcerer/Arcanist. I'm sure you get that opportunity all the time.


You can deliver touch spells with natural attacks, but I do not know if that makes the spell crit as the natural attack does. If so take improved critical bite and polymorph into something witha x3 bite (I think there are monsters that have it.) . Else something with a 19-20x2


Just a Guess wrote:
You can deliver touch spells with natural attacks, but I do not know if that makes the spell crit as the natural attack does. If so take improved critical bite and polymorph into something witha x3 bite (I think there are monsters that have it.) . Else something with a 19-20x2

It does not borrow the multiplier.

I'd have to cross-check on the range, but that's nothing new-- Magi can be pulling off 15-20/x2 touch spells entirely under their own power by level 5, sooner with some decent gold.


The only way I know of is a feat from a pdf that contains many feats geared for the Magus (though not all require Magus class features.) One of which states that, when using Spell Strike to deliver a spell, if you roll a Nat 20 on the dice, the spell uses the weapon's crit multiplier. So that shocking grasp scythe may seem silly, but if that 20 comes up....

Dark Archive

I cannot find this feat...

Link?


It's a third-party one. If it comes from the PDF I'm thinking of, it has many silly things for the Magus that a GM should probably avoid.


Yeah, it is a third party PDF. While I've always wanted to build a magus with that feat, I've never been able to bring myself to. It did have some other neat feats, like casting touch spells at the end of a charge (which meant you could Spell Strike), but some were a bit silly. I'd rather build my unarmed strike Magus idea. Not to derail the topic, though.


Well, to continue the derail: unarmed strike Magi are awesome. Use Hexcrafter, take Hex Strike, see if you can convince your GM to allow Hex Strike's stamina trick to pump your action economy a bit, punch out all the things.


kestral287 wrote:
Well, to continue the derail: unarmed strike Magi are awesome. Use Hexcrafter, take Hex Strike, see if you can convince your GM to allow Hex Strike's stamina trick to pump your action economy a bit, punch out all the things.

I'll have to look into that option.... I was going to with the Extempresario archetype on the d20pfsrd to be spontaneous and charisma based (I know people say prepared is better, I've never been a fan personally.) That way I can take Eldritch Heritage at 3rd level to get the 3rd party giant bloodline (also on the pfsrd) to get a monks unarmed strike scaling. There are probably simpler/more efficient ways to build it, but I wont post my rough build here now.

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