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Sovereign Court

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Maybe I used a bad example, as X-Files was awesome and Sense8 is definitely not.

I think when it comes to post-Matrix Wachowski projects, most people generally like their storytelling style or they don't. I'm not saying they're perfect by any means, but I loved Sense8 season 1 and Speed Racer, and I really enjoyed Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Ascending. If I were to guess, I'd bet PDK disliked all of them to some degree. I think it's just a matter of personal preference.

Sovereign Court

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Correct. :)

I think SENSE8 is the best thing the Wachowskis have worked on since the original MATRIX, by far, and the best thing that Straczynski has worked on since BABYLON 5.

They're a pretty good team, as Straczynski is strong on worldbuilding, foreshadowing and dialogue and the Wachowskis are great on visual flair, atmosphere, music and action.

Sovereign Court

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The music is cool. The fight scenes are good.

Liberty's Edge

Has anyone finished season two yet?

I'm eight episodes in and I crave discussion!

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My take:


The sensates are in danger. The sinister Whispers has formed an unwanted, hideously invasive mental connection with Will and is stalking his every move, hoping he betrays his location. However, Will is likewise stalking Whispers, determined to defeat this enemy before he can kill anyone else. The rest of the group has to deal with their own problems, but soon find new allies waiting as they make contact with other clusters and discover their numbers are far greater than they could possibly imagine.

Sense8's first season was a deliberately-paced introduction to eight different, diverse characters hailing from completely different parts of the world, each accompanied by their own set of supporting characters but linked by a shared mental connection. It was excellent, but it was slow and at times risked becoming self-indulgent.

Season 2 has no truck with this. After the Christmas special bridging the two seasons (which gets the show's apparent annual need for a rave scene and orgy out of the way quickly) the show kicks into gear and slams the accelerator down so hard you'll be forgiven for thinking this is the same show. By the end of the second episode our characters have already reversed many of the devastating incidents of misfortune that afflicted them in the first season and the story is moving forwards on all fronts.

The show employs the same structure that we saw the first time around, with each of the eight sensates having their own story to follow as well as being unified by the ever-growing threat of Whispers and the organisation he fronts. The biggest difference is that we now know all eight characters and they now know all each other. When confronted by individual danger they can call upon the entire team's help rather than just one or two as with last season and this definitely massively ups the stakes in both emotional and dramatic terms. Seeing the team join forces to expose the identity of one of Whispers' superiors based on a glimpse of his office, like a telepathic edition of CSI, is a great idea. It's also good to see slightly under-served characters having more to contribute: Kala gets to use her scientific knowledge to great effect in several scenes (including working out how to blow up a van during a gunfight whilst Wolfgang and Will are arguing about whether to flank or fall back).

This is also the year that the show ups the stakes in action and visual terms. Season 1 had some excellent moments (rocket launcher, anyone?) but Season 2 takes it up to the next level. Lana Wachowski - flying solo for the first time as a director (Lily took a break this year) - revisits the Matrix lobby scene with a shoot-out in a restaurant between two sensates (complete with their own cluster, meaning sixteen skillsets being showcased together) which is ridiculously good fun. Even better is a high-speed car chase through the streets of Seoul - complete with vehicles flipping through the air and crashing for real - which is jaw-dropping and looks as good as any feature film. The production values, if anything, step up a notch in line with the confidence of the directors and returning co-writer J. Michael Straczynski.

But the show's characters remain the core focus of the show. As well as the central cluster and their returning allies (including a still-excellent Freema Agyeman, acting on an altogether different level to her stint on Doctor Who) there are new characters, including a wonderfully batty turn by ex-Doctor Who, ex-Radagast the Brown Sylvester McCoy as an older Scottish sensate and Valeria Bilello as a sensate from another cluster who works as an enforcer and fixer for a shady German businessman. But the core cast remains at the centre of attention, including newcomer Toby Onwunmere who is given the difficult task of replacing he likeable and energetic Aml Ameen as Capheus. Onwunmere is a different kind of actor, less funny and more intense, and the adjustment is a bit rough (not helped by a couple of comments lampshading the change) but by the end of the season he has managed to make the role his own. The rest of the cast are on top form, with Jamie Clayton in particular improving from the first season where her massive, hacker-driven infodumps of exposition could be clunky.

The second season also spends some time developing the backstory of the sensates - no Lost-style teasings here, the sensates have pretty mundane origins and well-established rules on how they operate - and how many clusters there are and how they operate. "Our" cluster, it turns out, is pretty lucky in having so many complimentary skills. We also learn that just being a sensate isn't enough to make you a good person and that some sensates are downright nasty. There's more to come on this front but the sheer size of the sensate population means that the writers have a lot of material to play with in coming seasons.

Weaknesses? Well, there are some very jarring tonal moments in Season 2 which don't quite connect with the rest of the story, some bum lines of dialogue and occasional over-indulgence in positivity (as refreshing as this is from shows like Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead almost making a fetish out of grisly cynicism). A scene where Nomi and Nita form a secret hackers' alliance with Anonymous, who it turns out know all about the sensates and have been helping protect them (no, seriously), feels like it was biked in by a totally different writer who'd done three minutes Internet research on the organisation before he wrote it. Also, and this was exacerbated by watching this show immediately after Mr. Robot, the hacking scenes in general are pretty unconvincing. Overall, though, this year emerges as slightly stronger than its predecessor season, more confident, much better-paced and with more of a sense of purpose and energy.

Season 2 ends on a titanic cliffhanger, which is a sign of huge confidence from the writers, producers and Netflix themselves. Sense8 is massively expensive, probably the most expensive show on the Netflix roster apart from the in-production Altered Carbon, and it hasn't quite hit the same level of success in the USA as the likes of Stranger Things and Daredevil. However, it's a lot more popular in many other parts of the world (such as Brazil, which gets its own huge shout-out in an episode set in Sao Paolo) and a third season seems pretty likely at this point. Hopefully Netflix won't tease us for quite so long like they did last time and also won't make us wait two years for the next full season.

Sense8's second season (****½) is wacky, bizarre, over-brimming with optimism and also deeply rooted in interesting and engaging characters, with an interesting backstory and some of the greatest action scenes ever filmed for television. It is available on Netflix now.

Overall, better than Season 1, far-better paced and it moves the story ahead much further than I think most people were expecting. It's actually very much the same story structure Straczynski used in Season 2 of BABYLON 5, with more dynamic action and they pretty much come out and explain most of the backstory and propel the story forward. It shows up some of the less well-structured Netflix shows considerably (like the recent Marvel ones).

My favourite scenes were the car chase and the end of Episode 5 (the sensate "round-robin"). The weirdest scene was definitely the one with Anonymous.

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I was concerned when the Christmas special seemed to rehash a lot of the things we had seen in season 1, but they managed to break out of that and explore some new ideas for the rest of season 2.

The new 'Van Damme' is a bit jarring because the actor doesn't play him the same way (more calm and deliberative / less joy of life), but a fine (just different) character.

Getting Sun out of prison was an improvement and having nearly the whole cluster in the same place at the end was a nice change... though it would have been interesting to see how they all interact with Neets when she can actually SEE them.

I just finished this up

I enjoyed this season, but actually found Season 1 a bit better. I thought the action sequences were a bit better last season, what with a certain degree of wtfery going regarding what was going on which is lacking this season. It also seemed if anything way slower paced, which made it harder to binge (the fact that I mostly took over a week to get through 10 eps, versus my normal long weekend binge, is a testament to that).

I also felt they built up the BPO plotline at the expensive of some of the individual character arcs.

Looking forward to where the hell they go next season.

...and they cancelled it :(

Profoundly annoying. But unsurprising given the way the cost and scale of the show went completely out of control in the second season. If they'd agreed to scale things back to the level of S1 (which wasn't exactly a small show), they'd probably have been renewed.

Netflix have to take some of the blame though. I know some people who loved Season 1 and didn't know Season 2 was even out. Compared to some of the their much smaller, lower-budget shows (like 13 Reasons Why), Sense8 got pretty much zero marketing and publicity.

It's interesting... I didn't hear anything about 13 Reasons Why until the media started harping about it and the controversy. However I did see a LOT of commercials at the theater of all places for Sens8 s1...

I also got e-mail notifications about the 2nd season... but it never interested me. Not to mention the 'new episodes' bump they do when a new season shows up...

I'm just not sure how much 'marketing' a format like Netflix really has available without directly advertising on a competitor...

I feel I heard more news about the the cancellation than I did about the actual show.

It sucks since it ended on a cliff hanger, but on the other hand, I did think it felt weaker overall this season than last.

Personally the show I am on pins and needles waiting to hear of renewal is MST3K. Although given the budget I would think it would be a sure thing.

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Netflix resurrects SENSE8!

For a single two-hour finale episode, but at least the story will get an ending now. And Netflix have said this is because of the enormous, worldwide outpouring of support for the show since the cancellation news broke.

And no peanuts were required (unlike Jerico, brought back for a short final season by 50,000 lbs of peanuts mailed to the studio, why, because one of the main characters used that now famous WWII line uttered by a commander at besieged Bastogne in response to the German request for their surrender: "Nuts!")

That said...YES!!! Sense8 final episode!!!

Just got to the end of season 2...I am so glad I had already heard about the 2hour finale going to happen to wrap things up because if it had just been cancelled on that cliffhanger I would have gone nuts.

I wonder if there is any chance of continuing the series with Books or Comics.

"Adult entertainment" site XHamster offers to fund the remaining seasons of SENSE8 (note: not a link to that website).

Which is definitely not a headline I was expecting to write today. And actually makes more sense than it first sounds. There is an alignment of ideology and XH have a ludicrous amount of money they're not doing anything with.


No official reaction from Netflix, the Wachowskis or Straczynski yet. Interesting to see if this goes anywhere.

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