Titan Fighter and Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex) penalty


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Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex): At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an oversized two-handed weapon. This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

There is normally a -2 penalty for weapons larger than yourself, and a two-handed weapon that is larger than you is impossible to use without this feat correct? Giant Weapon Wielder gives an additional -2 for a total of -4?

Is -4 the correct amount for say a large greatsword wielded by a medium titan fighter?


FallzQuick wrote:

Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex): At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an oversized two-handed weapon. This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

There is normally a -2 penalty for weapons larger than yourself, and a two-handed weapon that is larger than you is impossible to use without this feat correct? Giant Weapon Wielder gives an additional -2 for a total of -4?

Is -4 the correct amount for say a large greatsword wielded by a medium titan fighter?

That would be correct though the ability is an alternate class ability not a feat.

-4 is pretty hefty though. I doubt it would be worth the minor damage increase. Even using a greatsword one handed your only getting about 2.5 more points of damage a swing compared to a longsword, and with the 2D6 your working a bell curve so average damage of 7 will be a lot common.

But you will also be missing a lot more so that damage increase may work out to a net damage LOSS overall from misses alone.


Gilfalas wrote:
FallzQuick wrote:

Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex): At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an oversized two-handed weapon. This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

There is normally a -2 penalty for weapons larger than yourself, and a two-handed weapon that is larger than you is impossible to use without this feat correct? Giant Weapon Wielder gives an additional -2 for a total of -4?

Is -4 the correct amount for say a large greatsword wielded by a medium titan fighter?

That would be correct though the ability is an alternate class ability not a feat.

-4 is pretty hefty though. I doubt it would be worth the minor damage increase. Even using a greatsword one handed your only getting about 2.5 more points of damage a swing compared to a longsword, and with the 2D6 your working a bell curve so average damage of 7 will be a lot common.

But you will also be missing a lot more so that damage increase may work out to a net damage LOSS overall from misses alone.

You could multiclass into a Titan Mauler Barb class: remember they lower penalties from oversized weapons.

"At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd (to a minimum of 0). "

You'd need 12 levels of Barb to counteract penalty from Fighter's ability.


Gilfalas wrote:
FallzQuick wrote:

Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex): At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an oversized two-handed weapon. This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

There is normally a -2 penalty for weapons larger than yourself, and a two-handed weapon that is larger than you is impossible to use without this feat correct? Giant Weapon Wielder gives an additional -2 for a total of -4?

Is -4 the correct amount for say a large greatsword wielded by a medium titan fighter?

That would be correct though the ability is an alternate class ability not a feat.

-4 is pretty hefty though. I doubt it would be worth the minor damage increase. Even using a greatsword one handed your only getting about 2.5 more points of damage a swing compared to a longsword, and with the 2D6 your working a bell curve so average damage of 7 will be a lot common.

But you will also be missing a lot more so that damage increase may work out to a net damage LOSS overall from misses alone.

It is impossible to wield two-handers of larger than your character size without the archetypes alternate class ability though yes?


FallzQuick wrote:
It is impossible to wield two-handers of larger than your character size without the archetypes alternate class ability though yes?

Or without some 3.5 (like Powerful Build) or 3PP stuff correct.


FallzQuick wrote:

Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex): At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an oversized two-handed weapon. This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

There is normally a -2 penalty for weapons larger than yourself, and a two-handed weapon that is larger than you is impossible to use without this feat correct? Giant Weapon Wielder gives an additional -2 for a total of -4?

Is -4 the correct amount for say a large greatsword wielded by a medium titan fighter?

Make sure to take the Giant-Blooded trait to cut that -4 in half. "When you wield a weapon that is larger than your size, the penalty on attack rolls for using inappropriately sized weapons is reduced by half."


So, if a character were to take levels in Titan Fighter and the Giant Blooded trait, would the Incredible Heft reduction eliminate the penalty by 7th level? -4 to start, halved to -2, reduced @ 3rd to -1, reduced @ 7th to 0?


All this discussion seems to ignore the irrationality of the titan fighter,who specializes in fighting larger enemies, suffers a greater penalty for using a weapon larger than normal for his size than would an ordinary fighter. What is the rationale behind such a class characteristic?


andyrhi wrote:

All this discussion seems to ignore the irrationality of the titan fighter,who specializes in fighting larger enemies, suffers a greater penalty for using a weapon larger than normal for his size than would an ordinary fighter. What is the rationale behind such a class characteristic?

Necro!

An ordinary fighter cannot wield a two-handed weapon that is a larger size. You can wield a one-handed large weapon with 2 hands for a -2 penalty, but a normal medium sized fighter could never wield a Large Greatsword. This lets you do your Cloud impression.


Taking advantage of necro.

The I'm not sure the -2 from Titan Fighter counts as a penalty from inappropriately sized. So Giant Blooded would reduce the penalty to -3. Also, that archetype already reduces the penalty (it traded Armor Training for it).

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