Monk with tiger style and slashing grace


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Would a monk with tiger style be able to qualify for slashing grace, if he takes all the other prerequisite feats.

Grand Lodge

Unarmed Strikes are Light weapons, not One-handed Weapons.

It does not work.

Get an Agile Amulet of Mighty Fist if you want Dex to damage with Unarmed Strikes.


or an agile clockwork prosthesis--it's cheaper/more powerful (in the long run) and gives more bonuses!


Where do I find these agile items you are talking about.

Grand Lodge

It's an enchantment for weapons.


So agile brass knuckles would work and would also use the monks unarmed damage as well.

Grand Lodge

Well, no.

Brass Knuckles do Brass Knuckles damage.


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Look them up, for monks they do unarmed damage.


wintersrage wrote:
Look them up, for monks they do unarmed damage.

That was errata'd because melee, and ESPECIALLY monks, can not have good things.


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yeah brass knuckles do not allow you to use monk damage dice.

anyway 3 levels of unchained rogue also will allow you to get dex to damage on unarmed strikes. stacks well with monks since they don't have off-hand unarmed strikes.

Scarab Sages

And if you are going for three levels of unchained rogue, you might as well go four and grab debilitating injury as well.


There used to be an item that monks could buy and enchant like weapons in 3.5, I believe it was called monk wraps.

It is basically a set of wraps the monk wraps himself in and it will allow his attacks do what ever the wraps are enchanted with.

Do they exist in pathfinder.


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Imbicatus wrote:
And if you are going for three levels of unchained rogue, you might as well go four and grab debilitating injury as well.

throw in rogue talents of minor and major magic and you're golden. bookish rogue feat just to make it work.


wintersrage wrote:

There used to be an item that monks could buy and enchant like weapons in 3.5, I believe it was called monk wraps.

It is basically a set of wraps the monk wraps himself in and it will allow his attacks do what ever the wraps are enchanted with.

Do they exist in pathfinder.

Amulet of Mighty Fists


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wintersrage wrote:

There used to be an item that monks could buy and enchant like weapons in 3.5, I believe it was called monk wraps.

It is basically a set of wraps the monk wraps himself in and it will allow his attacks do what ever the wraps are enchanted with.

Do they exist in pathfinder.

nope, but it's called using a temple sword to flurry.

kestral287 wrote:


Amulet of Mighty Fists

technically, i guess, but not hand wraps.


There has to be something I can do to make my monks unarmed strikes that doesn't require me dipping into another class or using an actual weapon or a magic item that costs 2-3 times as much as a standard magic weapon, to get dex to damage and hit.


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wintersrage wrote:
There has to be something I can do to make my monks unarmed strikes that doesn't require me dipping into another class or using an actual weapon or a magic item that costs 2-3 times as much as a standard magic weapon, to get dex to damage and hit.

nope, paizo believes monks can't have nice things.

at least if they're trying to fist people, or headbutt them or do a flying crane kick...


wintersrage wrote:
There has to be something I can do to make my monks unarmed strikes that doesn't require me dipping into another class or using an actual weapon or a magic item that costs 2-3 times as much as a standard magic weapon, to get dex to damage and hit.

Prepare for disappointment.

Grand Lodge

What about the Body Wrap of Mighty Strikes?

I mean, it's for a single attack during the round, but it is cheaper...


It could be debatable in any game that isn't PFS.

In the Unchained release, the feat is referenced as affecting light and one handed weapons, and a certain Eidolon around these forums may have indicated that this isn't a mistake, hinting at one of the many needed errata in the infamous ACG.


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master_marshmallow wrote:

It could be debatable in any game that isn't PFS.

In the Unchained release, the feat is referenced as affecting light and one handed weapons, and a certain Eidolon around these forums may have indicated that this isn't a mistake, hinting at one of the many needed errata in the infamous ACG.

oh thank god


What page of the unchained book is there a recence to the slashing grace feat.


wintersrage wrote:
What page of the unchained book is there a recence to the slashing grace feat.

Combat Stamina section, so somewhere around 116 (section starts on page 112 and runs ~6 pages).


wintersrage wrote:
What page of the unchained book is there a recence to the slashing grace feat.

It starts at the very end of page 131.


Gisher wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
What page of the unchained book is there a recence to the slashing grace feat.
It starts at the very end of page 131.

... Wow, is the Combat Stamina section really that long?

I've read through it a dozen times and never realized that.


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kestral287 wrote:
Gisher wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
What page of the unchained book is there a recence to the slashing grace feat.
It starts at the very end of page 131.

... Wow, is the Combat Stamina section really that long?

I've read through it a dozen times and never realized that.

yes, i've yet to sit down and read all of them, instead i skimmed for feats that needed buffs or ones that i already used.


I actually did read the whole thing and skimmed it a ton. Once you get into it you stop looking at page counts though.


akitayne wrote:

What about the Body Wrap of Mighty Strikes?

I mean, it's for a single attack during the round, but it is cheaper...

Tiger Style is all about the Single Strike, though, so that doesn't seem like a bad idea at all.


Tiger style doesn't say anything about a single attack, that is tiger claws

Tiger Style:
Your unarmed fighting style emulates the strength and ferocity of a tiger.

Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +3 or monk level 3rd.

Benefit: While using this style, you gain a +2 bonus to your CMD against bull rush, overrun, and trip maneuvers. You can also deal slashing damage with your unarmed strikes. Whenever you score a critical hit with your slashing unarmed strike, your opponent also takes 1d4 points of bleed damage at the start of his next two turns.

Normal: Unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning damage.


Yes, I meant the Tiger Style Feat Tree. Perhaps I should have said tiger style?


If this is a home game, you could just ask your GM to houserule slashing grace to light or one handed slashing weapons.
I've done that and also extended fencing grace to one light or one handed piercing weapon. I want to do the same for bludgeoning, but haven't really had the need yet (and I don't know what to call it "Bludgeoning Grace" just seems a little oxymoronic)


dragonhunterq wrote:

If this is a home game, you could just ask your GM to houserule slashing grace to light or one handed slashing weapons.

I've done that and also extended fencing grace to one light or one handed piercing weapon. I want to do the same for bludgeoning, but haven't really had the need yet (and I don't know what to call it "Bludgeoning Grace" just seems a little oxymoronic)

There is no need to house rule slashing grace, in the stamina section of the unchained book it says light or 1 handed for slashing grace.

This is from page 131 of that book

Slashing GraceACG (Combat): You can spend 2 stamina points to select another light or one-handed slashing weapon. That weapon counts as a chosen weapon for Slashing Grace until the start of your next turn.

They errated it in the that book.

Grand Lodge

Will there be an official FAQ for Slashing Grace?

EDIT: Should I start a separate thread for it?

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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Will there be an official FAQ for Slashing Grace?

EDIT: Should I start a separate thread for it?

The separate thread would probably be a good idea.

As for Slashing Grace, it seems likely that the errata for the ACG will contain the adjusted text, and they've confirmed that it will be done by Gencon. ^_^


So my first question still stands would a monk using tiger style be able to qualify for slashing grace?


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Will there be an official FAQ for Slashing Grace?

EDIT: Should I start a separate thread for it?

yes

wintersrage wrote:
So my first question still stands would a monk using tiger style be able to qualify for slashing grace?

also, yes


wintersrage wrote:
dragonhunterq wrote:

If this is a home game, you could just ask your GM to houserule slashing grace to light or one handed slashing weapons.

I've done that and also extended fencing grace to one light or one handed piercing weapon. I want to do the same for bludgeoning, but haven't really had the need yet (and I don't know what to call it "Bludgeoning Grace" just seems a little oxymoronic)

There is no need to house rule slashing grace, in the stamina section of the unchained book it says light or 1 handed for slashing grace.

This is from page 131 of that book

Slashing GraceACG (Combat): You can spend 2 stamina points to select another light or one-handed slashing weapon. That weapon counts as a chosen weapon for Slashing Grace until the start of your next turn.

They errated it in the that book.

That is not an errata to Slashing Grace. It is an optional rule that expands on Slashing Grace. The excerpt you've shown makes absolutely no change to Slashing Grace whatsoever, even if you use that optional rule.

SG becomes: Choose a one handed weapon, spend 2 stamina to choose a light or one-handed weapon.

Unless there is more to it, of course.


dragonhunterq wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
dragonhunterq wrote:

If this is a home game, you could just ask your GM to houserule slashing grace to light or one handed slashing weapons.

I've done that and also extended fencing grace to one light or one handed piercing weapon. I want to do the same for bludgeoning, but haven't really had the need yet (and I don't know what to call it "Bludgeoning Grace" just seems a little oxymoronic)

There is no need to house rule slashing grace, in the stamina section of the unchained book it says light or 1 handed for slashing grace.

This is from page 131 of that book

Slashing GraceACG (Combat): You can spend 2 stamina points to select another light or one-handed slashing weapon. That weapon counts as a chosen weapon for Slashing Grace until the start of your next turn.

They errated it in the that book.

That is not an errata to Slashing Grace. It is an optional rule that expands on Slashing Grace. The excerpt you've shown makes absolutely no change to Slashing Grace whatsoever, even if you use that optional rule.

SG becomes: Choose a one handed weapon, spend 2 stamina to choose a light or one-handed weapon.

Unless there is more to it, of course.

it says another light or 1 handed, to me that means you had the choice of choosing a light weapon all along with slashing grace and this just lets you change that if the need arises.

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It is presumed by many that the fixed version we're waiting for will say just that. ^_^


Kalindlara wrote:
It is presumed by many that the fixed version we're waiting for will say just that. ^_^

well im hoping it does as it will help the monks MAD issue


wintersrage wrote:
well im hoping it does as it will help the monks MAD issue

Eh, by the time you can do this combo you can also afford an Agile AoMF


Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
well im hoping it does as it will help the monks MAD issue
Eh, by the time you can do this combo you can also afford an Agile AoMF

im not paying through the nose to get dex to damage and hit, when all i need to do is retrain at level 3 to get the feat once i pick up tiger style, i will have weapon finesse at first level anyways


wintersrage wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
well im hoping it does as it will help the monks MAD issue
Eh, by the time you can do this combo you can also afford an Agile AoMF
im not paying through the nose to get dex to damage and hit, when all i need to do is retrain at level 3 to get the feat once i pick up tiger style, i will have weapon finesse at first level anyways

I don't get how you can reach all of this at level 3

You need Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Tiger Style and Slashing Grace and none of these are on the bonus feats the monk can get.
Even factoring retraining and Human, you can't reach Dex to Damage earlier than level 5, while the Agile amulet can be bought at level 2 or 3 (and still requires Weapon Finesse).

You can do master of many styles but it's a very specific build that excludes many other archetypes


Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
well im hoping it does as it will help the monks MAD issue
Eh, by the time you can do this combo you can also afford an Agile AoMF
im not paying through the nose to get dex to damage and hit, when all i need to do is retrain at level 3 to get the feat once i pick up tiger style, i will have weapon finesse at first level anyways

I don't get how you can reach all of this at level 3

You need Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Tiger Style and Slashing Grace and none of these are on the bonus feats the monk can get.
Even factoring retraining and Human, you can't reach Dex to Damage earlier than level 5, while the Agile amulet can be bought at level 2 or 3 (and still requires Weapon Finesse).

You can do master of many styles but it's a very specific build that excludes all the other archetypes

I could have sworn that monks get access to all style feats for free, im just not sure where i read this.

Silver Crusade Contributor

They do not, unless they have the master of many styles archetype (and even then, only as bonus feats). Sorry. ^_^


well its ok i don't mind having to wait till 5th level before being able to get it.

Do you think it is worth getting rid of flurry of blows and perfect self to be able to pick style feats as monk bonus feats.

even though it would still be 5th level before i could get the feats i need.


wintersrage wrote:

well its ok i don't mind having to wait till 5th level before being able to get it.

Do you think it is worth getting rid of flurry of blows and perfect self to be able to pick style feats as monk bonus feats.

even though it would still be 5th level before i could get the feats i need.

The most painful thing about giving up flurry isn't giving up the multiple attacks, but that you no longer have a way to count as full BAB


Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:

well its ok i don't mind having to wait till 5th level before being able to get it.

Do you think it is worth getting rid of flurry of blows and perfect self to be able to pick style feats as monk bonus feats.

even though it would still be 5th level before i could get the feats i need.

The most painful thing about giving up flurry isn't giving up the multiple attacks, but that you no longer have a way to count as full BAB

in the unchained book they changed monk to full base attack, and they have a s+*$ load of ki powers to choose from like the rogue has rogue talents.


wintersrage wrote:
in the unchained book they changed monk to full base attack, and they have a s$&% load of ki powers to choose from like the rogue has rogue talents.

But the Unchained Monk can't be Master of Many Styles if I recall correctly


Entryhazard wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
in the unchained book they changed monk to full base attack, and they have a s$&% load of ki powers to choose from like the rogue has rogue talents.
But the Unchained Monk can't be Master of Many Styles if I recall correctly

no where under the unchained monk does it say it can't use archtypes.

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