Has The Slayer Killed The Ranger and The Rogue?


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Trekkie90909 wrote:

I enjoy the Rogue from a flavor perspective, but I admit it is outclassed mechanically by everything (arguably the ninja archetype is very strong levels 2-5 and level 20, and ok levels 10-13). Honestly Investigator outclasses it on flavor as well, so I'd say the class is pretty non-functional. Even with the release of unchained its only defined party role is: that guy who disarms traps or talks to people. It needs something unique which screams Rogue, or at least some parity buffs to make it flexible.

Ranger has more staying power; animal companion (or party buff), decent spellcasting, bonus feats -- all make for a strong class. I'd say it's on the weaker end of a lot of spectra, but it can shape out a defined place in the party as anything from the trapmaster to ranged support, from the DPS to the tank, and can to a limited extent even fill multiple of these roles simultaneously.

Slayer by contrast is PURE DPS, it has no real flexibility (other than that it can cover trapper/face and remain relevant).

** spoiler omitted **

If you want major/minor magical talent to be effective, simply have it replace Sneak Attack and scale all the way up to level 9.

i.e. each new 'sneak attack' level instead improves the Talent to a new level of spells.

You get a VERY fixed number of spells and spell like abilities, and skills, lose the SA.

It's a good tradeoff and really suits the Rogue.

==Aelryinth


Rynjin wrote:
chaoseffect wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Offensive Defense is no longer legal if you play unchained rogue. Every rogue can now get a similar bonus via debilitating injury...
So RAW 90% of all printed Rogue Talents can't be used by the Unchained Rogue because they weren't reprinted or listed in the very small section included unchanged Talents? Or is that a PFS thing?

Most of the Rogue Talents were re-printed, that I saw.

All of the ones people actually used, at the least.

I don't think anyone will mourn the loss of Rumormonger.

I don't have access to the book, only what I saw on d20pfsrd and at a glance the list of Rogue Talents seemed awfully small, but perhaps I just misjudged it. Thanks for the heads up.


chaoseffect wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
chaoseffect wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Offensive Defense is no longer legal if you play unchained rogue. Every rogue can now get a similar bonus via debilitating injury...
So RAW 90% of all printed Rogue Talents can't be used by the Unchained Rogue because they weren't reprinted or listed in the very small section included unchanged Talents? Or is that a PFS thing?

Most of the Rogue Talents were re-printed, that I saw.

All of the ones people actually used, at the least.

I don't think anyone will mourn the loss of Rumormonger.

I don't have access to the book, only what I saw on d20pfsrd and at a glance the list of Rogue Talents seemed awfully small, but perhaps I just misjudged it. Thanks for the heads up.

You may have missed the "Unmodified Rogue Talents" bit at the very bottom.

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