What new races would you like to see in PFS


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kinevon wrote:


Because a Con can create hundreds of new PFS players, and therefore sales opportunities for Paizo products, where game stores create maybe one or two in a week, so maybe 30 in a good year.

Sure getting new PFS players on board is great but if they don't have anywhere to play after the con how likely is it that they buy more than one or two books in the long run.

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If anyone wants to continue the discussion then we can just make another thread, let's stop derailing this thread. So, getting back on track...

I'm going to reiterate my stance on changelings, they're a cool race with good flavor.

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I would like to see a 1-12 race like at a convention or something. You set up your team and run though a set number of scenarios that would get your characters through to lvl 12. It doesnt matter if youve played the scenario before nor if you finish it so long as the primary objective is complete and you qualify for 1xp. The scenarios can be preset by the coordinator so that everyone has equal footing or there can be several lists of chains people can do so not everyone is on the same track. Buying and selling is done at the end of each part as normal but because you can end one adventure early you may not be at appropriate gold per level. Each character would have to be pfs legal but things like ongoing conditions and alignment drop dont have to be handled at the end of each part, as the idea is the entire race is "one scenario".
Shorter versions of this type of race would be acceptable as well such as first from lvl 5-8 or first to complete the entire emerald spire. There would be a Lot of gm prep but this would most likely be its own thing at a convention or the likes so people would be very committed if participating. I encourage any suggestions.

Silver Crusade 5/5

G-Zeus wrote:

I would like to see a 1-12 race like at a convention or something. You set up your team and run though a set number of scenarios that would get your characters through to lvl 12. It doesnt matter if youve played the scenario before nor if you finish it so long as the primary objective is complete and you qualify for 1xp. The scenarios can be preset by the coordinator so that everyone has equal footing or there can be several lists of chains people can do so not everyone is on the same track. Buying and selling is done at the end of each part as normal but because you can end one adventure early you may not be at appropriate gold per level. Each character would have to be pfs legal but things like ongoing conditions and alignment drop dont have to be handled at the end of each part, as the idea is the entire race is "one scenario".

Shorter versions of this type of race would be acceptable as well such as first from lvl 5-8 or first to complete the entire emerald spire. There would be a Lot of gm prep but this would most likely be its own thing at a convention or the likes so people would be very committed if participating. I encourage any suggestions.

What is this I don't even...

Oh, I see! You're talking about like, an actual race. While the rest of us (minus the sidebar on GM rewards) are talking about character races. It's a neat idea, but competetive stuff has not worked out in the past, and it seems unlikely that management will try it again. This is something that should probably get it's own thread.

How about Vishkanya? They've been a GM boon for a while, and they seem pretty neat, I could go for some Vishkanya.

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Andrew Roberts wrote:
I want more short races! There are already so few of them that it would be nice to have more. :)

More short races, I agree, and please don't take away wayangs this year (I haven't played my cavalier yet to 2nd level)

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G-Zeus wrote:

I would like to see a 1-12 race like at a convention or something. You set up your team and run though a set number of scenarios that would get your characters through to lvl 12. It doesnt matter if youve played the scenario before nor if you finish it so long as the primary objective is complete and you qualify for 1xp. The scenarios can be preset by the coordinator so that everyone has equal footing or there can be several lists of chains people can do so not everyone is on the same track. Buying and selling is done at the end of each part as normal but because you can end one adventure early you may not be at appropriate gold per level. Each character would have to be pfs legal but things like ongoing conditions and alignment drop dont have to be handled at the end of each part, as the idea is the entire race is "one scenario".

Shorter versions of this type of race would be acceptable as well such as first from lvl 5-8 or first to complete the entire emerald spire. There would be a Lot of gm prep but this would most likely be its own thing at a convention or the likes so people would be very committed if participating. I encourage any suggestions.

I think this is a very bad idea that just encourages the under 1 hour run throughs through some scenarios. How else would something like this be done in 2-3 days? On a normal 2 day convention you can go through 2 levels already, isn´t that enough?

Sovereign Court

I demand equal representation for my reptillian brethren!

The ranks of S.E.R.P.E.N.T. must grow, and kobolds have been worthy supporters!

Kobolds of the world, join me, Serpent Shogun, in destroying the foolish ASPIS CONSORTIUM--*shakes fist*--because there can only be ONE SNAKE-THEMED

Whispered:
pseudo-terrorist
ORGANIZATION IN THE INNER SEA!

And it's MINE!

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Tell me, in one sentence, why sitting in my underwear running a game online is dming to be encouraged with boons, while playing at a game day is not.

Because boons help drive convention attendance, and convention attendance drives the gaming industry.

Boons are not a way for Paizo to sanction content - that is what Additional Resources is for. Boons are a way to reward the people who are helping build Paizo's brand by running games at the biggest venues of gamers, so more new gamers can see PFS and be tempted to try it. My last con cost me about $200 and dozens of hours, just to make the terrain I brought - that doesn't make it better than your game in your basement *as a game*, but it did make it better *as a marketing tool* because a bunch of non-PFS players saw it, said, "Cool, what's this?" and I got to recruit new players. The thank-you I get from Paizo is a GM boon.

Why should I get the same reward whether I do that, or just run a game for my friends and me one day?

It's not about "better", it's about doing a different job.

As for online cons (which was your real question): I agree, online cons *aren't* in the same category as real cons, or maybe even games days. But they allow GMs who don't/can't travel to cons, a venue to get the GM boons as well (in fact, I think that's why they started to qualify for boons - because Gms who didn't go to cons wanted a way to get the race boons).

But if you give out boons to anyone running a table or three, then you short-change the folks who are putting a lot into not just playing PFS but marketing PFS. Doing the one does not necessarily do the other.

I'm sure that won't convince you, and really do I wish we could find a way to both keep GM boons to drive conventions *and* make them accessible to everyone, but it should be clear that you can't. They are mutually exclusive.

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I would like to see any and all races opened up, but then again, I like to see what people do when all options are available, because people will come up with interesting concepts.

That said, I do have a problem with the way boons are distributed, because it makes it so that it is very difficult for most players to get boons, meaning less diversity for most people who I play with. It also encourages GMing at cons for personal benefit, in order to get boons, and not how I view that it should be, for the benefit of the table and the convention. (To be clear at this point, my stance is not about myself. I have a small number of boons and have generally been able to play what I want, and while I would not be opposed to getting more options, I think the campaign would benefit more from expanded options for everyone)

In short, I am in favor of opening up any new races that we have not seen before just to see what people would do with them.

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I question the automatic assumption that conventions are "more valuable" than game days -- while they may generate more new player numbers, that doesn't tell you anything about retention rates or conversion rates to actual sales. I've done enough reporting on things like this to know that you have to be really careful in how you run the numbers because it is very easy to get answers that just confirm your preconceptions due to improperly choosing what to measure.

That said, the Paizo people are very business savvy, and I trust their ability to read the numbers and make good business decisions based on them.

My preconception is that conventions and game days are equally important and equally necessary -- conventions draw new players in, and game days keep them coming back and spending money. IMO I don't think that convention GMs are "more valuable" per se -- what I think they are is rarer. So boons are given to ensure that they have enough sign up to meet the demand they have for tables. I've certainly seen that locally where we had one convention organizer telling us that they had enough interest to run twice as many games, if we'd had the GMs for it. (And we'd already upped the tables significantly over the previous year.)

If gamedays were consistently failing on a local level because of a lack of GMs -- then you might see more perks given to gamedays. In the absence of that, I don't see anything changing.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Hey guys, I've set up this thread for discussing GM rewards. Let's take the off-topic conversations there, guys.

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pH unbalanced wrote:
My preconception is that conventions and game days are equally important and equally necessary -- conventions draw new players in, and game days keep them coming back and spending money. .

What they are not is equal investment by the player base. If I go to a game day, my investment is transit fare, table fee, and maybe some munchies. If I go to a convention it's admission fee, travel expenses, and hotel room rates at a convention. You're talking at the very least a triple-digit investment so I can be there as a player. And this is for the CHANCE of a boon. or the opportunity to pay a four digit price to bid on an ultra-rare boon. For boons to become equally available to both game day attendee and convention goer is a slap in the face to the latter.

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LazarX wrote:
pH unbalanced wrote:
My preconception is that conventions and game days are equally important and equally necessary -- conventions draw new players in, and game days keep them coming back and spending money. .
What they are not is equal investment by the player base. If I go to a game day, my investment is transit fare, table fee, and maybe some munchies. If I go to a convention it's admission fee, travel expenses, and hotel room rates at a convention. You're talking at the very least a triple-digit investment so I can be there as a player. And this is for the CHANCE of a boon. or the opportunity to pay a four digit price to bid on an ultra-rare boon. For boons to become equally available to both game day attendee and convention goer is a slap in the face to the latter.

I'll answer you in the other thread.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Would love to see some races from the newer Bestaries be put in. Maybe something in 5 soon release to promote the book?

3/5

Jeff Merola wrote:
glass wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Hurry, you've only got about a month left.
Three months, surely? Seasons begin/end at Gencon in August, don't they?
GenCon starts July 30th this year.

30th July is still more than "about a month" away though. Hence my confusion about BNW's comment.

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glass.

5/5 5/55/55/5

glass wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
glass wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Hurry, you've only got about a month left.
Three months, surely? Seasons begin/end at Gencon in August, don't they?
GenCon starts July 30th this year.

30th July is still more than "about a month" away though. Hence my confusion about BNW's comment.

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glass.

I thought gencon was june 30th. My bad. Glad i saw this though. More time to get in a few more kitsune.

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PBP Play Day 4 (probably) coming soon...

Another option forgetting a race boon BNW :)

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I remember 3.5 had a book called Savage Species that broke down monsterous races by level. So you could play some of the more interesting races even at lower levels, though they weren't "fully charged" so to speak. i.e. a minotour may have been equivalent to a 8th lvl charecter; but you could work them up to that lvl by lvl gaining a little bit of its abilities along the way. You could even throw in class levels along the way as you wished.

I always loved pulling some races from that book; my favorites were minotaurs and hound archons.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

2nd Ed AD&D had the Complete Book of Humanoids, too, which was one of our group's first purchases.

Our early adventuring parties consisted of everything from Goblins to Centaurs to Gargoyles.

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Races you should consider for play this year:
Ifrits, Oreads, Sulis, Undine, Sylphs: The Elementals' Day have come, with Arcane Adventures about get a release, dropping this races into the game in the short term would add a lot of interesting Sorcerer builds that could make sitting at the tables a little more interesting.

Samsarans, Aasimar, Tieflings: I know you wanted to give the Aasimars and Tieflings a break but these three races are reasonably popular and fun to RP, dropping them back into play would make life more interesting. Meanwhile, Samsarans have never been allowed to my knowledge but offer a similar play style to Devas from previous editions of "That Game that we shall not name", bringing them in might boost old school morale.

Catfolk, Nagaji, Tengu, Kobolds, Kitsune, Gripplis: The animal races are fun to play, visually distinct, and offer a bit of diversity in parties that are often a little too homo sapian centric.

Merfolk, Gillmen, Vanaras, Fetchlings, Vishkanya, Wayang: They're weird. That's my only justification. Merfolk would be a completely off the wall choice due to their mobility issues, Fetchlings and Vishkanya fit in great with the newer slayer class and the upcoming mindbending races from the Arcane Adventurers book, and no matter your feelings, Gill Men represent a challenging role playing oppurtunity for vetern players and Wayang are distinct from anything else DnD organized play has in it's repretoire.

Androids: Hear me out. As primarily a role player, the knowledge that our choices on the board can have lasting effects on the world of the game is great fun. Since the year of the Sky Key and other scenarios from previous seasons have dealt with the unusual technology from the realms beyond our own. Perhaps as a consequence of this encounter with technology, many of those long slumbering androids might start waking up. A sudden, stunned letter from Valsun detailing a series of strange encounters from townsfolk from around Golarion and the perhaps a new encounter dealing exclusively with our new robot colleges would be fun on the bun.

PLEASE NEVER:

Orcs, Drow, Duregar, Goblins, Hobgoblins, and Strix: Everyone wants to play them but since there's little justification for playing any of them, I see little reason for letting thm in game other then..."Drizzit, fan fiction".

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Whats wrong with Orcs?

4/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Tampere

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Shifty wrote:
Whats wrong with Orcs?

Always Evil race.

Scarab Sages 5/5

thecursor wrote:


Samsarans, Aasimar, Tieflings: I know you wanted to give the Aasimars and Tieflings a break but these three races are reasonably popular and fun to RP, dropping them back into play would make life more interesting. hat we shall not name", bringing them in might boost old school morale.

I think if they were going to return Aasimars or Tieflings, they should pick a single bloodline for one or either and allow that one, and then they could rotate what was allowed by year - one would have own both books to play one.

They could require they be played as is - and not swapping out power for a prehensile tail or death watch at will or corruption resistance..

They even could pick where they are from - so for example - Onispawn from Tien-Xa.

just thinking.

I like grippli -

Though gathlain would give us an extra small race without a strength penalty - gathlains are intensely curious and would make good explorers.

Wrywoods would also be nice

Grand Lodge

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Not going to happen with any race that was given out as a hyper rare charity auction boon, which includes kobolds, goblins, androids, and dhampir. The folks who got those boons spent big money buying them. They're also races that the folks who run PFS don't want to see a large population of.

Grand Lodge 4/5

LazarX wrote:
Not going to happen with any race that was given out as a hyper rare charity auction boon, which includes kobolds, goblins, androids, and dhampir. The folks who got those boons spent big money buying them. They're also races that the folks who run PFS don't want to see a large population of.

Of your list, only the Android was a charity boon. The Goblin boon was a prize for winning a certain special and will never be repeated. Dhampir was for being a Beginner Box Bash GM way back in the day. And there has never been a Kobold boon.

Anyway, Charity Boons only have a guarantee of one year of exclusivity.

3/5

Might be cool to do another round of Beginner Box bashes and give another opportunity to folks to get a dhampir (or something else).

-TimD

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Jeff Merola wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Not going to happen with any race that was given out as a hyper rare charity auction boon, which includes kobolds, goblins, androids, and dhampir. The folks who got those boons spent big money buying them. They're also races that the folks who run PFS don't want to see a large population of.

Of your list, only the Android was a charity boon. The Goblin boon was a prize for winning a certain special and will never be repeated. Dhampir was for being a Beginner Box Bash GM way back in the day. And there has never been a Kobold boon.

Anyway, Charity Boons only have a guarantee of one year of exclusivity.

They also represent races, that the campaign folks really don't want to see a ton of PC's in the campaign. They certainly don't want a repetition of what happened with aassimar and tieflings, which indicates to me that those two will never be open races again.

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LazarX wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Not going to happen with any race that was given out as a hyper rare charity auction boon, which includes kobolds, goblins, androids, and dhampir. The folks who got those boons spent big money buying them. They're also races that the folks who run PFS don't want to see a large population of.

Of your list, only the Android was a charity boon. The Goblin boon was a prize for winning a certain special and will never be repeated. Dhampir was for being a Beginner Box Bash GM way back in the day. And there has never been a Kobold boon.

Anyway, Charity Boons only have a guarantee of one year of exclusivity.

They also represent races, that the campaign folks really don't want to see a ton of PC's in the campaign. They certainly don't want a repetition of what happened with aassimar and tieflings, which indicates to me that those two will never be open races again.

So, leadership told you that, huh?

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Just Humans. Let's make Golarion human-centric again. ;-)

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Rei wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Whats wrong with Orcs?
Always Evil race.

Here's to hoping they keep it that way. I want my classically evil monsters to stay that way. Makes playing that odd one out that much more compelling.

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We already have the Half-Orc, why bring in the cause of their existence?

I was disappointed in the inclusion of the Half-Orc in 3.0, when it was gone in 2nd, and really questioned it's overall inclusion in the book.

Oh, and KOBOLD!!

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Jeff Merola wrote:
Anyway, Charity Boons only have a guarantee of one year of exclusivity.

Yeah, and if the PFS management are going to be classy about it they should at least tripple that guaranteed minimum, but that still doesn't mean never.

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Rei wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Whats wrong with Orcs?
Always Evil race.

That isn't accurate though - and doesn't line up with the RAW.

I guess if you are playing Tolkeinfinder it makes sense, but Pathfinder rules contradict the assertion :)

There are whole non-evil tribes, so...

Shadow Lodge 4/5

The rules are setting-neutral though. Can you point us to a non-evil orc tribe in Golarion?

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Hillis Mallory III wrote:
We already have the Half-Orc, why bring in the cause of their existence?

Yeah! Down with humans!

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I have a gripping in PFS now and I really enjoy playing him and would love to play another.

I would love to see more ratfolk and possibly lizard folk as we have started alliances with those races in the tapestry and it would an interesting role play experience to play a PC from there.

Liberty's Edge 4/5

I'm wondering if new races will be part of the GM Boons for GenCon.

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

If so, and there's a changeling*, hopefully they don't bind on pickup. I'm sure I can find a way to get one.

*I can dream. ^_^

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Kalindlara wrote:

If so, and there's a changeling*, hopefully they don't bind on pickup. I'm sure I can find a way to get one.

*I can dream. ^_^

The changeling was auctioned off in 2014 GENCON if I recall, so this one might not show up so soon.

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June Soler wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:

If so, and there's a changeling*, hopefully they don't bind on pickup. I'm sure I can find a way to get one.

*I can dream. ^_^

The changeling was auctioned off in 2014 GENCON if I recall, so this one might not show up so soon.

I am disappoint.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

Maybe we can get a custom race, not available outside of PFS.

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Jayson MF Kip wrote:
Maybe we can get a custom race, not available outside of PFS.

That sounds... challenging. ^_^

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Jayson MF Kip wrote:
Maybe we can get a custom race, not available outside of PFS.

Trolls. It should definitely be trolls.

Silver Crusade 5/5

June Soler wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:

If so, and there's a changeling*, hopefully they don't bind on pickup. I'm sure I can find a way to get one.

*I can dream. ^_^

The changeling was auctioned off in 2013 GENCON if I recall, so this one might not show up so soon.

Fixed that for you. I bid on that back in 2013, but missed Sunday, so was unable to keep bidding on it. Catfolk and Vanara also went that year.

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UndeadMitch wrote:
June Soler wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:

If so, and there's a changeling*, hopefully they don't bind on pickup. I'm sure I can find a way to get one.

*I can dream. ^_^

The changeling was auctioned off in 2013 GENCON if I recall, so this one might not show up so soon.
Fixed that for you. I bid on that back in 2013, but missed Sunday, so was unable to keep bidding on it. Catfolk and Vanara also went that year.

Ah thanks for the correction, I knew I was fuzzy on the dates. So its been TWO years since these races were given out.

That may make things interesting for the GENCON GM boon this year...

Dark Archive 4/5

Gripplis, ratfolk, kobolds (of color)

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Jayson MF Kip wrote:
Maybe we can get a custom race, not available outside of PFS.

Interesting notion... I would like to see some 'causes' for a PFS race. Please add some :)

  • A nest of outsiders incubating in the Hou Jin Tapestry needs a 'template' to kick off its next stage of growth.
  • One of Drandle Drang's disguises/simulacrums is actually an occult symbiote whose spawn seek Pathfinders for their own host.
  • Gozreh decides a balance needs to be restored and awakens swarms to counter all those killed by Pathfinders.
  • CLWwandfolk. Sure it started just as way to keep up with demand, but when enough brave explorers, truthful reporting, and unselfish cooperating, you too can become a real boy.
  • (and/or girl).

(also)

Curaigh wrote:

As long as we are wishing.

I would like to see a PFS only race as well. Something not only unique to Pathfinder Society but caused by the Decemvirate or the Grand Lodge. Intentionally or not.
Perhaps...

  • ...sitting on thousands of artifacts has caused some magical alteration in an existing race Ook!.
  • ...this collection of magic power creates an attractive curiosity to a race from some other world.
  • ...all those clerics performing prestige point resurrections got overwhelmed and in their exhaustion put something back together wrong.
  • ...a faction head wanted to increase the faction's political power by increasing its numbers. Altering an existing humanoid she then trains all her clutches to said faction's goals. Especially helpful if some manipulation of time allowed them all to reach maturity at the beginning of a season.

Grand Lodge 2/5

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Tyler Beck wrote:
Eric Ives wrote:

Perhaps part of the consideration should also be if there are miniatures available for the race. I think Wayangs would be more popular if people could find minis for them.

(Why won't Paizo sell me a Wayang mini?)

Agreed! I would LOVE a Wayang mini!

It's not perfect, but this is what I use for my Wayang barbarian.

2/5

Kobolds, definitely kobolds.

4/5

Seeing as:
It is the year of the serpent
There are a lot of kobolds that live under Absalom
The Society has recruited or befriended some of the clans before

I wouldn't be surprised to see, and would like it if Kobolds become playable (Draconic Kobold Bloodrager is what I would play).

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